King Heffy Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Junkyard Dog said: Despite what you think Barrie is still a top 4 Dman. Last 6 seasons Barrie's averaged over 21 minutes a game while Stecher is only averaging 15 minutes a game this year now that we have a top 4. If Toronto, a team that is desperate for D and doesn't care whether or not their defensemen can play in their own end at an NHL level, that should be enough of a warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I don't know where i read this, but apparently we kicked the tires on Severson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said: Irony is that Tanev has more points than Myers so far this season. Playing with Hughes will probably do that. Myers has either been with Edler in a defensive role or a top 6 D. Would be nice if we got a bit more out of Myers offensively though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: Instead of getting offensive defacemen. How about we try to get a d-man learning the ropes in the NHL, it will be cheaper. Noah to build our defensive Ark Noah Dobson New York Islanders, 30 NHL games, 5 points, -3, 6'4", 193 lbs. Also a right hand shot. Trade Tanev for Dobson, Islanders have tons of cap space. Islanders want to hold onto a playoff spot. Canucks get bigger on the back end, and younger, and he's earning under a million until 2022. Solves a lot of problems. Not sure if Lou would be willing to pull the trigger on a deal like that though. dobson will not be cheap he was rated by some teams to be better then hughes he is a solid first round pick doubt a rental like tanev would net us dobson he is still projecting to be a very good dman 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, King Heffy said: If Toronto, a team that is desperate for D and doesn't care whether or not their defensemen can play in their own end at an NHL level, that should be enough of a warning. Hasn't been a fit there but it was in Colorado all those years. Six of which he averaged over 21 minutes a game. 340 points in 545 games pretty good for a defenseman. FTR I don't think we should get him but he's a top 4 D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Playing with Hughes will probably do that. Myers has either been with Edler in a defensive role or a top 6 D. Would be nice if we got a bit more out of Myers offensively though. Myers has also had essentially 2nd unit power play time. Tanev has averaged 4 seconds of power play time this season so far. Myers held his own defensively but he isn't paid 6 million a year for that. Course how much of that is the fault of the PP play coach drawing up awful plans/strategies is anybody's guess. Edited February 21, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 I would make this hockey trade only if Jim Benning resigns Toffoli.. Boser and Stetcher -- New Jersey.. -- I would add another prospect as two player we acquire are just what Vancouver need.. This would be a fantastic hockey move.. Damon Severson 6'2, 25 - solid #2 D man young type of D man Vancouver needs.. Miles Wood 6'2 , 23 Winger very gritty and tough will turn into a Ferland type player...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, NewbieCanuckFan said: Myers has also had essentially 2nd unit power play time. Tanev has averaged 4 seconds of power play time this season so far. He's held his own defensively but he isn't paid 6 million a year for that. Course how much of that is the fault of the PP play coach drawing up awful plans/strategies is anybody's guess. Good point in terms of special teams. Myers is being more in every sort of situation this year. 6M i'd expect more around 30ish points but who Myers is playing with and how the special teams are I am willing to ease of him slightly, not entirely though. Can't deny playing with Hughes 3/4 of the time is gonna help your stats out. I am more concerned with our top 6 D than our top 4 though. Need guys to play more than 15 minutes a games there. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Mathew Barzal said: Wonder if we can get them to bite on Myers. NMC this season. I think he is more likely to say no to them than they are to say no to him. Waiving for a team likely to miss the playoffs doesn't seem likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Canucks Curse said: I do not know what Barrie would provide that Hughes does not Hughes >>>> Barrie It would simply be an upgrade at that position, better depth. I dont see any reason to compare him to Hughes although I dont disagree Hughes is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harold Drunken Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 46 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Between him and Benn he is one of the worst defenders on the team and we need upgrades there. I don't think we should trade for Barrie but he is a legitimate top 4 defenseman. We should be trying for more gritter defensive dman. Not true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Only way this works for us is if Toronto loves Stecher's analytics. Im not doing Tanev for him, Tanev fits our D-core much better. I like Barrie but I wonder about his fit here, now that we have Hughes. If its for Stecher I'd do it. But that's about it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 If we didn't sign Myers I'd be on board for this. But as it stands now we only have 3 reliable d-men in the dzone. And it's Tanev, Edler and Stecher. Losing one of them to acquire Barrie we'd be giving up more shots than we already do. And we already give up the 4th most shots against in the league. I guess if we get Tryamkin back it'd be okay. Deal would likely involve Tanev for Barrie though. Edler Stecher Hughes Myers Tryamkin Barrie That second pair scares me though. I don't trust any of those righties to play with Hughes. Tanev is a good defensive buffer for Hughes. Stecher is sound defensively but he shouldn't be the defensive anchor of a pair. I vote no on Barrie unless they take a Stecher package for him. That is very unlikely though. Stecher is a top 6 d-man that can fill in top 4 in emergencies, but not a top 4 staple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: If we didn't sign Myers I'd be on board for this. But as it stands now we only have 3 reliable d-men in the dzone. And it's Tanev, Edler and Stecher. Losing one of them to acquire Barrie we'd be giving up more shots than we already do. And we already give up the 4th most shots against in the league. I guess if we get Tryamkin back it'd be okay. Deal would likely involve Tanev for Barrie though. Edler Stecher Hughes Myers Tryamkin Barrie That second pair scares me though. I don't trust any of those righties to play with Hughes. Tanev is a good defensive buffer for Hughes. Stecher is sound defensively but he shouldn't be the defensive anchor of a pair. I vote no on Barrie unless they take a Stecher package for him. That is very unlikely though. Stecher is a top 6 d-man that can fill in top 4 in emergencies, but not a top 4 staple. You do realize that 5 on 5, when Hughes is on the ice, we out shoot the other teams 7-3. Hughes is actually, by far, our best defensive D man. It’s not even close really. He is a possession machine, who drives play like no other since Orr. Now Bobby was the best there was, is, and ever will be, but Quinn Hughes drives possession in a similar way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Lol if a trade for barrie I'll be tanev.. a rental for a rental.. we are unlikely to sign tanev in the off season anyways unless some miraculous stuff happens with getting rid of loui and baertschi. I honestly dont mind the trade. I rather see Hughes barrie on the point than one of our forward on the point and move horvat to pp2. I mean this team live and die on the powerplay anyways and the defense is a hot mess regardless.. let's fix one and hope markstrom stands on his head.. rather than have a useless powerplay and a useless defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billabong Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 was all over getting barrie in the summer but hes played so bad and showed how horrid he is in his own end that im pretty turned off him now id rather a guy who can shut it down in his own end 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 The defense needs more size and strength, not another smallish defenseman. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, billabong said: was all over getting barrie in the summer but hes played so bad and showed how horrid he is in his own end that im pretty turned off him now id rather a guy who can shut it down in his own end 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: The defense needs more size and strength, not another smallish defenseman. And meanness. Want a bigger guy, who can play, and brings mean. Love a dirty player who does damage to opponents so they fear coming into our zone. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, King Heffy said: would cost us to acquire Manson but would be a great fit for our team. Say goodbye to Pod or Hog plus something else we like quite a bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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