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23 minutes ago, YEGCanuck said:

Good morning Joe, I think one of our current defensemen will need to be traded. Also hope Jimbo can do anything to move at least one of Erickson or Baertschi. 

Would love to see Erickson traded obviously. I think the only way that’s happening tho would be to say Detroit.  LE plus a 5th for a 7th or something. 

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The only way to move Eriksson or Baer is you're going to have add either prospects or picks to a team that has lots of cap space. Or worse give up on a prospect or player you don't want or can't afford to give up. 

Baer would be probably an easier move. 

 

It would be different if he was getting 20+ points and being somewhat productive. But the fact he pretty much cost us the last game (Missing 2-3 easy chances to score, and coughing up the puck a few times.), I have completely given up, and I think he's untradeable. And just ship him to Utica to stay until his contract lapses or he retires. 

 

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i’m wondering, if once they pay louie his bonus in july, that they could work out a severance plan with him?

they need markstrom, motte, tanev, gaudette and maybe virtanen. 

that leaves, leivo, goldobin, baertschi, and stecher. toffoli will decide his future going forward.

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2 hours ago, smithers joe said:

that they have to decide who to keep and who to move in the summer.

the names i have on expiring contracts and other movable pieces are, 

toffoli, gaudette, macewen, leivo, fantenberg, markstrom, stecher, tanev, virtanen, motte, goldobin

other pieces with more difficulty that need to be moved are, ericksson and baertschi. a few more have one more year on their contracts.

wishful thinking aside, who do they move to recover picks, prospects, hockey trades or let walk?

 

 

 

Good post Joe.  I like being able to see the list of guys.  I think Loui retires after his July bonus.  We trade Baer, but it costs us a sweetener to get a team to take him (prospect, but not one of the 7 JB suggested) We resign our RFA’s, except for Stecher.  Sadly, he is let go.  We sign Marky and Tanev.  Tofu walks. 

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2 hours ago, smithers joe said:

that they have to decide who to keep and who to move in the summer.

the names i have on expiring contracts and other movable pieces are, 

toffoli, gaudette, macewen, leivo, fantenberg, markstrom, stecher, tanev, virtanen, motte, goldobin

other pieces with more difficulty that need to be moved are, ericksson and baertschi. a few more have one more year on their contracts.

wishful thinking aside, who do they move to recover picks, prospects, hockey trades or let walk?

 

 

 

This is a very important point, that JB and his team have to map out what things are going to look like moving forward, and that not everybody is going to be able to come back. It's a simply reality, given the cap situation, especially with all the young players they see as stepping up in the next couple of years. 

 

To me, the biggest decision right now is Tanev, do they re-sign him, or not. Then if he is traded and Edler is not re-signed after next season, they have to start reshaping the defense now, so a Tanev deal for a D-man they could see having longer term would make sense. The Stecher situation is similar to Hutton, he doesn't make any sense on this team making more than he does now and he has arbitration rights. So if we do see JB making moves at the deadline it will be with all this in mind. 

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i see rafferty and possibly lind, juolevi and maybe tryamkin playing for the canucks next year. 

hoglander may need a season in utica. 

can they get by and keep both goalies in the seattle draft? if not, one has to go.

how much will tanev, virtanen, stecher and tryamkin seek in salary? 

money needed will make some decisions easier to make. 

will ferland ever play again?

if toffoli agrees to sign here, what dollar amount will he be seeking?

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Some of these guys could be traded by the deadline, but I would re-sign Jake , Gaudette , Motte , Marky and Tanev first and hopefully get Toffoli back on an affordable contract too. (5m?)

Loui will accept a contract termination once his bonus is paid (in my hopeful opinion) and Baer could be moved in the summer too.

Leivo, Stecher, Fantenberg et are basically own rentals at  this point and are probably most likely to be added in a deadline deal if another one is made this year.

 

Not sure about the cap after the Roberto recapture but this is how I would try to start :-)

 

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18 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Step one is unfortunately to trade Roussel and his $3m hit. I love that guy but winger depth is one of our strengths and not only does he not costs us anything to move, we'd actually stand to gain a small return. 

 

A small return we could perhaps add to Baer as step two (perhaps/likely also with retention) to move his salary out.

 

Step 3...pay Loui his summer bonus then pray he retires or we can move him, likely with retention, without adding too much. This one might sting a little.

 

That's anywhere from $7.5-$12.5m cleared right there (depending on retention etc).

 

Assuming he won't re-sign for under $2m, move Stecher's RFA rights.

 

Unless Leivo is willing to re-sign for about what he's currently making, he's likely gone too.

 

Same goes for Fantenberg unless he re-signs cheaper than Benn (which would make Benn and his $2m expendable).

 

With Ferland presumably on Robidas island, that should be enough to bump Marky up to $5.5-$6, Virtanen up to $2-$2.5, Motte to say $1.25'ish, Gaudette up to $1.5, re-sign Toffoli at around $5 and Tanev around $4-$5. Bring in some cheap ELC's/bridge players like MacEwan at F and one or two of Tryamkin/Rafferty/Brisebois/Juolevi on D.

I think the Hutton experience will impact attitudes. JB couldn't move Hutton in the end and LA signed him for less than $2 mil. Isn't Goldy's deal up as well? 

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11 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

I think the Hutton experience will impact attitudes. JB couldn't move Hutton in the end and LA signed him for less than $2 mil. Isn't Goldy's deal up as well? 

Stecher is arguably both a better D and has a lower qualifying offer/arbitration case. Those were the main reasons for Hutton's lack of trade value.

 

Stecher with a QO of $2.56m actually has value to a team lacking D depth (and could likely be signed at around that/slightly less). Hutton at a QO of $3.08m (and arbitration estimates putting him closer to $4m due to all the minutes we unfortunately had him playing), did not.

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3 hours ago, You Mad Bro? said:

Would love to see Erickson traded obviously. I think the only way that’s happening tho would be to say Detroit.  LE plus a 5th for a 7th or something. 

It’ll take a lot more than a throwaway pick to have a team take on a LE’s awful contract. 

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10 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

It’ll take a lot more than a throwaway pick to have a team take on a LE’s awful contract. 

To be fair, after his bonus is paid this summer he's only got $5m left owing, or effectively, $2.5m per season. That becomes a LOT more movable. Retain 50% and that shrinks to $1.25m. Take back an AHL'er on top of that (preferably a C so Utica has some added C depth) at around $1m that can be buried and not effect the cap and that effectively becomes a few hundred K of actual cost for the other teams owner to upgrade from an AHL'er to a fringe, depth NHL'er.

 

Sure we'd still need to add an asset to make it happen but I really don't think we're at risk giving up anything TOO painful to make that happen. 

 

Or preferably, Francesco just sends some 'associates' after his bonus is paid to help 'convince' him how nice it would be to retire and relax... :ph34r:

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6 minutes ago, aGENT said:

To be fair, after his bonus is paid this summer he's only got $5m left owing, or effectively, $2.5m per season. That becomes a LOT more movable. Retain 50% and that shrinks to $1.25m. Take back an AHL'er on top of that (preferably a C so Utica has some added C depth) at around $1m that can be buried and not effect the cap and that effectively becomes a few hundred K of actual cost for the other teams owner to upgrade from an AHL'er to a fringe, depth NHL'er.

 

Sure we'd still need to add an asset to make it happen but I really don't think we're at risk giving up anything TOO painful to make that happen. 

 

Or preferably, Francesco just sends some 'associates' after his bonus is paid to help 'convince' him how nice it would be to retire and relax... :ph34r:

it would be nice, but I think people need to find peace with the fact that LE is most likely in the lineup next season.  Everyone was saying the same thing last summer, but he's still and, thankfully, playing decently well.

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4 minutes ago, stawns said:

it would be nice, but I think people need to find peace with the fact that LE is most likely in the lineup next season.  Everyone was saying the same thing last summer, but he's still and, thankfully, playing decently well.

By no means am I suggesting trading him/retirement is a certainty. But the numbers do mean either is much more realistic of a possibility (particularly if we suck it up and pay something to move him). It will be increasingly difficult for him to stay on the NHL team though. Injuries is all that's really saved him this year.

 

Either way, if need be, we have other places to clear cap. Clearing (even part of) his would just be gravy if nothing more than for the positive PR).

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Just now, aGENT said:

By no means am I suggesting trading him/retirement is a certainty. But the numbers do mean either is much more realistic of a possibility (particularly if we suck it up and pay something to move him). It will be increasingly difficult for him to stay on the NHL team though. 

 

Either way, if need be, we have other places to clear cap. Clearing (even part of) his would just be gravy if nothing more than for the positive PR).

It's a possibility, I agree, but people (much like last season) are banking on it almost as a sure thing.  While he is getting in the neighborhood of retirement age, he's still only 34, he probably feels he can play out his contract.

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1 hour ago, smithers joe said:

i see rafferty and possibly lind, juolevi and maybe tryamkin playing for the canucks next year. 

hoglander may need a season in utica. 

can they get by and keep both goalies in the seattle draft? if not, one has to go.

how much will tanev, virtanen, stecher and tryamkin seek in salary? 

money needed will make some decisions easier to make. 

will ferland ever play again?

if toffoli agrees to sign here, what dollar amount will he be seeking?

One thing JB is good at is coming out of nowhere with a deal that media wasn't aware of before hand and surprising us.   

 

The LE angle has been beaten to death - one of the things discussed will inevitably happen - maybe he retires - if not he's going to Utica next year and maybe used as a call up.   The cost to move him will be too high for a while yet.   

 

TT agent will be pushing hard for the best deal he can get.   Best guess is 5 x 5 or around 25 million on the high end, 20 on the low end.   We might be the team to do it which likely would mean the end of JV on the team.

 

Ferland might be in Robidas island.   That money actually will come in handy - plus Schallers should be enough for Markstrom and whomever plays in Stechers and Tanevs spot.   Think one of Tanev or Stetcher  will be gone..maybe even both.    

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