Sedinery33 Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, DarkIndianRises said: I think the Canucks will sign Toffoli, and will use one of Boeser or Virtanen to try and recoup the 1st round pick lost in the Miller deal. Stecher will get Ben Huttoned. Leivo will walk the plank. Baertschi and Sutter will be moved at the end of the Summer at 50% retention. Eriksson will retire or will get packed with Demko. Unlike some on here I do agree that there is a distinct possibility we trade Virtanen or Boeser, I personally think this hinges on a couple things though. 1.) Toffoli resigning 2.) Getting Podz out of his KHL contract to play 2020/2021 season in the NHL 3.) Vancouver is offered a deal they cannot refuse. Would have to be something like Top 6 Player/Top 2 D, A+ Prospect and a 1st round pick Chances of this happening are slim this deadline or offseason, next offseason however totally different story with Podz coming in 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 21, 2020 35 minutes ago, Lazurus said: BB was exceptional because of how late he was taken but there are many in that draft class just about as good. Horvt was destined for Utica until his injury but then played and was close to the best player in the playoffs. You can't compare the Canucks two picks JV and OJ to the rest of the teams, players around them excelled, a lot of players. Unless you are making a statement on Benning poor draft record. I have looked and the two you mention are in the minority for successful impact drafted players in their draft years, of the top ten they are just about the two worst examples of making an impact quickly. One reason the team has had Calder cup candidates is they are older by a couple of years than those they compete against Boeser and Pettersson were older vs 18 yr olds, this year is a little different, Hughes and Makar are both college guys but there are 18 and 19 yr olds they compete with for the Calder this year. Neely did not have multiple surgeries and injuries when they traded him so that is a weak comparison. The two year development of top ten picks is just this team, not most anymore, but even if that is correct, true and good, what is two more years of getting the team ready for prime time for years to come rather than trading away top picks for players that have a 3 or 4 year shelf life and straggling the team with clause contracts and aging players guaranteed roster spots. This year for a possible playoff spot, with only 4 players that will be effective in 4 years? Next year this team will be vastly different, a goalie change alone will have a negative impact. This is not a young team, it is not filled with young star players or bottom six players, it is still a team in the 2 nd year of a rebuild. Im sorry Laz - I don't now what your replying too. My post was about wasting BB by recycling him into the draft. How many top ten picks or even first rounders have we ever had that's made a similar impact? Well let's just say that EP is the third fastest to 50 all-time. Maybe JB recent picks have unicorns and rainbows in some posters heads - like he's going to pull an EP and Hughes out of his butt every time. He hasn't and no GM does on a regular basis - well with the exception of the Oilers dynasty but let's be real. Its just his third year - and when he we down he was 4th in RW scoring. What a bum. TT is new and exciting but has never scored at the same rate. He definitely brings other things. That's experience. I'm as concerned as everyone else about his health. True story Rocket Richard also started his carer with injuries - if MTL gave up on him...well they didn't. Not saying he's the next coming - but he did remind me of Hull his first season. Funny thing CAL traded him. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Honestly, I'm fully expecting Edler to sign at least one more contract before he retires. I think he'll be one of those D who plays well into his late 30's. I think it'll be for less than 6m too. He really seems to enjoy being on a team on the rise again, I see him sticking around for the ride a while longer to see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 Just now, Coconuts said: Honestly, I'm fully expecting Edler to sign at least one more contract before he retires. I think he'll be one of those D who plays well into his late 30's. I think it'll be for less than 6m too. He really seems to enjoy being on a team on the rise again, I see him sticking around for the ride a while longer to see what happens. Yup, easily see him signing progressively cheaper 1'ish year contracts for at least one more go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, aGENT said: Yup, easily see him signing progressively cheaper 1'ish year contracts for at least one more go. Definitely. It'll be a sad day when he retires, he's the last piece on the team from those mid/late 2000's Canucks teams I watched when I finally got a good grasp of the game. Tanev's here too, but he came along later. I would have been 10-14 when the WCE was at it's peak and while I enjoyed hockey and the EA games I was too young to care the same way. Edited February 21, 2020 by Coconuts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, bree2 said: Boeser will be back on the 1st line and if Toffoli signs , he will be on the second with Bo and Pearson, Jake will be on the 3rd. we are not keeping some players at the end of the season, and finding a replacement for Edler , is not for another year, he makes 6 mil so that would open up 6 mil, and by that time some of our prospects should be ready to replace him That’s all well and good, but I’d need to see a plan as to how the Canucks would manage their cap going forward. Does Ferland retire? Does Eriksson retire or get moved with a sweetner like Demko? Do we move on from both Tanev and Stecher? (Replaced by Tryamkin and Stecher). How do the Canucks clear enough cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the Summer of 2021? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, DarkIndianRises said: That’s all well and good, but I’d need to see a plan as to how the Canucks would manage their cap going forward. Does Ferland retire? Does Eriksson retire or get moved with a sweetner like Demko? Do we move on from both Tanev and Stecher? (Replaced by Tryamkin and Stecher). How do the Canucks clear enough cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the Summer of 2021? 1 minute ago, DarkIndianRises said: That’s all well and good, but I’d need to see a plan as to how the Canucks would manage their cap going forward. Does Ferland retire? Does Eriksson retire or get moved with a sweetner like Demko? Do we move on from both Tanev and Stecher? (Replaced by Tryamkin and Stecher). How do the Canucks clear enough cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the Summer of 2021? It’s Marky, Tanev, and Tofu who are the big three UFAs we would like to resign. That means Loui, and Sutter, and Baer have to go. To dump those three guys will cost us our future in prospects and picks. How did we get into this horrific circumstance, where it will cost us our future to keep our future? Totally insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 3 hours ago, IBatch said: Trading BB for a first is complete waste. Three years later MAYBE we'd get a BB back - ridiculous- just like Boston trading Hamilton for a first. I think using Boston is a poor example Boston is the polar oppposite of Vancouver with respect to falling in love with players and keeping them too long. which is to say Vancouver does and Boston does not Boston is leading the league and have traded (players still playing) J.Thornton, Kessell, Seguin, Hamilton, Lucic, Boychuck, Wheeler That is a better team than Vancouver has right now, and they don't always hit a home run with the picks they have garnered, but they do not dwell on the mistakes (Thornton) they just move on and keep winning Vancouver has made some good trades over the years, Butcher, Linden, Bertuzzi, Sundstrom, Stojanov, but the fans always seem to worry the next trade is the next Neely deal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 minute ago, Alflives said: It’s Marky, Tanev, and Tofu who are the big three UFAs we would like to resign. That means Loui, and Sutter, and Baer have to go. To dump those three guys will cost us our future in prospects and picks. How did we get into this horrific circumstance, where it will cost us our future to keep our future? Totally insane. I think Benning and management has a stronger plan than many are giving credit for, but time will tell obviously. 1) I think Eriksson either retires or get moved with Demko (who we risk losing to expansion anyways). 2) I think Baertschi and Sutter will get moved at the end of the summer at 50% retention (once teams sign all of their major players and are looking for small adds). That’s what I suspect will happen, but who knows. I know people don’t want to hear this, but I also suspect that if the Canucks sign Toffoli to a 5 year deal, they’ll look at moving Boeser or Virtanen to recoup the first lost in the Miller deal). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said: That’s all well and good, but I’d need to see a plan as to how the Canucks would manage their cap going forward. Does Ferland retire? Does Eriksson retire or get moved with a sweetner like Demko? Do we move on from both Tanev and Stecher? (Replaced by Tryamkin and Stecher). How do the Canucks clear enough cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the Summer of 2021? Why would Ferland retire? He's not going to give up his gauranteed money - maybe he will spend the entire contract on the injured repair list if that's what you mean by retirement. Demko isnt close enough to move LE. With the ED looming there isn't a team in the league that would take the gamble of protecting him instead of what they already have. He won't be going anywhere. Yes we could definitely be moving on from one of Tanev or Stetcher. Maybe even both but I doubt it. Yes the Canucks move enough cap space. EP and Hughes are the top level of guys we have. Followed by Miller, Horvat and BB. All of which are on reasonable to good contracts for what they bring to the table. Look for more trades that give up futures and picks to download othed vets if the cap space is needed. The IF comes down to LE and Bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, IBatch said: With the ED looming there isn't a team in the league that would take the gamble of protecting him instead of what they already have. Teams with old/expiring starters sure would. There's a good few teams who would happily protect Demko. Edited February 21, 2020 by aGENT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 15 minutes ago, lmm said: I think using Boston is a poor example Boston is the polar oppposite of Vancouver with respect to falling in love with players and keeping them too long. which is to say Vancouver does and Boston does not Boston is leading the league and have traded (players still playing) J.Thornton, Kessell, Seguin, Hamilton, Lucic, Boychuck, Wheeler That is a better team than Vancouver has right now, and they don't always hit a home run with the picks they have garnered, but they do not dwell on the mistakes (Thornton) they just move on and keep winning Vancouver has made some good trades over the years, Butcher, Linden, Bertuzzi, Sundstrom, Stojanov, but the fans always seem to worry the next trade is the next Neely deal I would agree with you, Neely trade burned us badly and set us back for years to come. Had Neely stayed and developed into he was, playing with Bure could have made us a cup contender in 1992 rather than just a good team. Quinn was going to draft Bure anyways regardless of which round. I do not think fans should panic every time a prospect is traded away because this was one in a million chance of burning us that badly. I do not think that the odd will burn us again when we have other stacked prospects pool that is worth keeping when compared to 80s prospect pool. Chances of our prospect are very good players are high with the way they are playing at the moment that will translate into NHL game. Madden is just a blip on the radar and I feel that TT trade is necessary when Boeser is out for weeks. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, Alflives said: It’s Marky, Tanev, and Tofu who are the big three UFAs we would like to resign. That means Loui, and Sutter, and Baer have to go. To dump those three guys will cost us our future in prospects and picks. How did we get into this horrific circumstance, where it will cost us our future to keep our future? Totally insane. EP and Hughes moved everything up one, maybe even two years. JB will make the best of it. It's a good problem to have. Much better then not having them and instead decent picks that won't be stars. I get the perplexities - we do have them - but it's going to be alright. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, aGENT said: Teams with old/expiring starters sure would. There's a good few teams who would happily protect Demko. A few. Maybe. Detroit to name one, maybe OTT too. But not many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, IBatch said: A few. Maybe. Detroit to name one, maybe OTT too. But not many. Bruins. Halak expiring this year, Rask the year after (year of ED). Nashville, both goalies expire at ED. Minnesota Dubnyk expiring at ED That's the first three I came across with about one minute of research lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 4 minutes ago, IBatch said: EP and Hughes moved everything up one, maybe even two years. JB will make the best of it. It's a good problem to have. Much better then not having them and instead decent picks that won't be stars. I get the perplexities - we do have them - but it's going to be alright. Alright for now, yes. But we are going to have to give up prospects and picks, which means signings average UFAs to fill the support roles again. I was hoping our prospects would be the ones filling those support roles. We will be better with young and hungry guys filling support roles. I’d rather have them at 1 mil per than guys like Schaller for 2 mil per. It’s like we are in some kind of vicious cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 1 hour ago, coolboarder said: I would agree with you, Neely trade burned us badly and set us back for years to come. Had Neely stayed and developed into he was, playing with Bure could have made us a cup contender in 1992 rather than just a good team. Quinn was going to draft Bure anyways regardless of which round. I do not think fans should panic every time a prospect is traded away because this was one in a million chance of burning us that badly. I do not think that the odd will burn us again when we have other stacked prospects pool that is worth keeping when compared to 80s prospect pool. Chances of our prospect are very good players are high with the way they are playing at the moment that will translate into NHL game. Madden is just a blip on the radar and I feel that TT trade is necessary when Boeser is out for weeks. Neely is a top five all-time burn - same with Stajanov but the other way. There is a lot of room between a HHOFer let go too early or three time first all-star by position and the Madden the trade ... agree with BB out this trade made a lot of sense and the price was fair (initially I didn't like it at all - an hour or so later I saw BB wasn't coming back so it made sense - ideally if the season went differently we'd wouldn't have had to make the trade but it is what it is). The trade shows management has the teams back and won't give up on them this season. That said our pool does need to support the highs end talent and expensive UFAs we will need to plug holes. We can't buy our into contention - nobody can. And our pool isn't a top five or even top ten one anymore. Middling at best. And that was before Madden was traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 (edited) 43 minutes ago, aGENT said: Bruins. Halak expiring this year, Rask the year after (year of ED). Nashville, both goalies expire at ED. Minnesota Dubnyk expiring at ED That's the first three I came across with about one minute of research lol And Demko doesn't crack the top thirty yet...a lot could happen in a year, but I highly doubt any team that's not purposefully trying to tank trades for Demko and protects him...he's a back-up at this point. Edited February 21, 2020 by IBatch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted February 21, 2020 Share Posted February 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, IBatch said: And Demko doesn't crack the top fifty yet...a lot could happen in a year, but I highly doubt any team that's not purposefully trying to tank trades for Demko and protects him... I think you're missing the point here... Demko doesn't need to be top 50 and teams don't have to be 'tanking' for him to be of value to them and worth protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted February 22, 2020 Share Posted February 22, 2020 5 hours ago, IBatch said: One thing JB is good at is coming out of nowhere with a deal that media wasn't aware of before hand and surprising us. The LE angle has been beaten to death - one of the things discussed will inevitably happen - maybe he retires - if not he's going to Utica next year and maybe used as a call up. The cost to move him will be too high for a while yet. TT agent will be pushing hard for the best deal he can get. Best guess is 5 x 5 or around 25 million on the high end, 20 on the low end. We might be the team to do it which likely would mean the end of JV on the team. Ferland might be in Robidas island. That money actually will come in handy - plus Schallers should be enough for Markstrom and whomever plays in Stechers and Tanevs spot. Think one of Tanev or Stetcher will be gone..maybe even both. This.... half the posts on CDC last year was about how Benning didn’t have a clue with the Cap, and we were in deep dodo.... Well turned out he did, and we weren’t, so while it’ll be interesting to see, which moves are being made, I have no doubt Benning and crew have the fingers on the pulse, and will be able to make the necessary moves. The LE issue they can’t do much about without LE being interested. So until they know his plans (or they already have a ‘gentleman’ agreement) most of the other main moves are up in the air. From the original list I think only Marky, Gauds, MacEwan are safe to be seen next year. Maybe Motte as well. Think there are no guarantees, we see any combination of the rest again, together with Sutter and Roussel. Room has to be made for at least a few more players if Benning speak the truth. Would also like to see a bit more of Toffoli, before suggesting they commit to a 5-6 year contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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