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14 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

I don't think they know for sure how long he's out yet, I think he's being evaluated and seeing specialists tomorrow and Wed and we should know more by the end of the week.

 

SO, here's to everyone who thought we should trade Demko now and gut our goaltending depth ahead of the playoffs. You never know how the season is going to play and who gets injured. Can never have enough depth in goal, just ask Carolina as well.

For whatever it’s worth, I had never suggested trading Demko this season.   I had suggested (and still suggest) trading Eriksson to Ottawa or Detroit at the end of the season while using Demko as a sweetener.   If Eriksson retires after collecting his signing bonus however, then it’s obviously not necessary.

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Demko's record has been really good, including against some good teams, so no reason to panic.  Hopefully Marky's absence does motivate the skaters to play a more solid D game as a 5 man unit though, as OP says.  This was always going to be the make or break question, with or without Markstrom.

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7 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I don't need inside info I can tell you exactly what JB knows. 

They took xrays and learned that there was a tear.

They have no clue what type it is far to early to know that plus the lubrication that the knee has release would make the xray unable to tell at this point

In a few days that lubrication will be absorbed into the skin and they will get a clearer look. 

Either the tear will be small and it will heal on it's own 3-4 weeks

Or it will be larger and need surgery 

Even if it is small tear infection which is high in these cases due to the lubrication that has come out can also trigger surgery

Surgery now or not will be dependent on how much further damage was cause from the time he got the tear to the time he went to bed.

If he doesn't have surgery his leg will be immobilized for 10-14 days after that he will regain his mobility but the next 10 days ish will tell. 1 if he re-tears it or 2 if it heals properly 

Nope. MRI, complete different type of scan.

Nope, not how inflammation works.

Nope, just nope.

Nope, rest and ice doesn't equate to full immobilization this isn't 1970.

 

You didn't explain anything correctly. It's still fear mongering, and beyond ridiculous. I have no idea where you get your information from, but it doesn't matter to me. I'm no expert, ligament tears are not my specialty. I would generally refer out then be part of the rehab process after confirmed diagnoses. Unfortunately for you in this conversation, I know more then enough to be confident in what I speak of.

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Markstrom is 30, It was only a few years ago where he was constantly letting in weak early goals, people were wanting to run Markstrom out and were divided on  keeping Nillson or him

Demko is only 24 and still nowhere near the age, when Markstrom was doing that

Markstrom has been stealing games for the team and playing much better

Maybe it is better goaltending coaching, and Demko benefits from it? (he is not an old dog learning new tricks, and can soak it up)

Hopefully Demko is able to grow and gain confidence quickly

I am just glad Benning did not have enough time to trade one of our top picks or prospects to save this season in getting a Carey Price or? ;)

Time for Demko and the team to grow more as a team , and not be reliant on certain players (because these players get hurt too)

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14 hours ago, wesley said:

Could Canucks still miss playoffs because of this? I am a bit worried.

If Canucks misses the playoffs without Marky. Then this team is just crap.

 

Canucks Will make the playoffs.

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38 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

For whatever it’s worth, I had never suggested trading Demko this season.   I had suggested (and still suggest) trading Eriksson to Ottawa or Detroit at the end of the season while using Demko as a sweetener.   If Eriksson retires after collecting his signing bonus however, then it’s obviously not necessary.

Well, and everyone has an opinion on Eriksson. My personal thought on it is, we should tell him that if he can't make the team next season, he WILL be sent to Utica.

 

If I'm Benning, I'd offer him a position with the team if he retires as a sweetener. If the Canucks buy him out, even at league minimum, he'd have trouble finding another team to sign him. He moved his family here and wanted stability while his kids are in school. There are lots of ways that the Canucks can undermine that stability and nudge him in a specific direction, without violating anything. 

 

Just my thoughts, but I'd really put more pressure on him.

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1 hour ago, Alflives said:

We are doomed.  I predict we our out of a playoff spot after this road trip.  Marky was stealing games, and that’s why we are in the playoff spot.  Now he’s gone we will see us lose a lot more.  Then Green will be gone, and (hopefully) we hire Babs.  Then next season we win the cup.  

Alf you crack me up - because of your recent posts I really can't tell if your serious.   Noticed you didn't have it in you last PGT to comment on how well TG prepared the troops to play the best team in the league.   Not even a "well it was the last of 25 games in the last 10 days" or anything.  Keep up the good fight and try not to day drink today before the game starts ha ha 

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4 minutes ago, IBatch said:

Alf you crack me up - because of your recent posts I really can't tell if your serious.   Noticed you didn't have it in you last PGT to comment on how well TG prepared the troops to play the best team in the league.   Not even a "well it was the last of 25 games in the last 10 days" or anything.  Keep up the good fight and try not to day drink today before the game starts ha ha 

You can’t tell if he’s being serious or is just joking?   :lol:

 

Read his post a few more times and the answer should become quite obvious. ;)

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10 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I can't tell if you are asking or telling me 

 

If you are asking yes I do know where the danger zone is

 

dependent on what stats lines you read they're a little different on each one

 

Believe it or not when it comes to sports advance stats there isn't an agreed upon standard so before you look at the data you have to first look at the method of collection  

oh really so if there isn't agree upon standards for stats?   so are you trying to say the  stealing games stat and high danger stats are invalid now  ?  lol   every excuse in the book you are trying to use  there doctor/ coach/ statistician / goaltending/gm expert  

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10 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

so what does that mean top two in high danger saves and save %

 

It means that on lower quality shots and less dangerous shots his stats suck cause if he was good on both his Save % would be higher

 

there is always two sides of a coin

 

Not true at all. It means that the other high danger chances the team is allowing on him are going in. You're not gonna make every save that you shouldn't be making lol. The guy rarely lets in a goal that we think he should have stopped. Don't be silly. 

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10 hours ago, MikeyD said:

Did you miss last game where the advanced stats shown he's top 2 in high danger saves and save % and also #1 in games stolen? 

oh apparently those stat are invalid now according to arrow because of the way those stats are collected   lmao

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8 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I don't need inside info I can tell you exactly what JB knows. 

They took xrays and learned that there was a tear.

They have no clue what type it is far to early to know that plus the lubrication that the knee has release would make the xray unable to tell at this point

In a few days that lubrication will be absorbed into the skin and they will get a clearer look. 

Either the tear will be small and it will heal on it's own 3-4 weeks

Or it will be larger and need surgery 

Even if it is small tear infection which is high in these cases due to the lubrication that has come out can also trigger surgery

Surgery now or not will be dependent on how much further damage was cause from the time he got the tear to the time he went to bed.

If he doesn't have surgery his leg will be immobilized for 10-14 days after that he will regain his mobility but the next 10 days ish will tell. 1 if he re-tears it or 2 if it heals properly 

I'm an xray tech, the only way you're gonna see a semblance of a tear on an xray is if it's a clean tear and even then good luck. You basically need to see fat pads in the back of the knee flex into a ball, have a joint effusion and even then you won't see a tear. You'll suspect the possibility of one, but you won't see one. So no, you don't know. 

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I'm of the camp that we need moments like this to see what guys are made of to bring out that identity. This really is a team thing and we need everyone to step up their game. Our stars need to be stars and our secondary scoring also needs to contribute. 

 

Also, this is where the development focus of making sure guys play a 200ft game pays off. Our guys really need to be defensively responsible.

 

We've learned from our early mistakes and bounced back from a lot of adversity this season. This is the opportunity to become the team they've been trying to be.

 

The interesting thing to me is that back-up goalies are always in the mindset of being prepared for an unexpected opportunity. This is how it works and comes with the territory. It's Demko's time to take his game to the next level.

 

If anything about Demko, the guy has a really solid sense of calm that will help him get through this stretch. And as long as he's calm and confident, that'll have a ripple effect from the net out.

 

Let's get it on!!!!

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8 minutes ago, Dr. Crossbar said:

I'm of the camp that we need moments like this to see what guys are made of to bring out that identity. This really is a team thing and we need everyone to step up their game. Our stars need to be stars and our secondary scoring also needs to contribute. 

 

Also, this is where the development focus of making sure guys play a 200ft game pays off. Our guys really need to be defensively responsible.

 

We've learned from our early mistakes and bounced back from a lot of adversity this season. This is the opportunity to become the team they've been trying to be.

 

The interesting thing to me is that back-up goalies are always in the mindset of being prepared for an unexpected opportunity. This is how it works and comes with the territory. It's Demko's time to take his game to the next level.

 

If anything about Demko, the guy has a really solid sense of calm that will help him get through this stretch. And as long as he's calm and confident, that'll have a ripple effect from the net out.

 

Let's get it on!!!!

100% agree with you.  Will Green change his systems, so our guys are in better position (and better to support one another) on the ice to play defensively sound?  Can we continue to bleed high scoring chances and have poor possession?  

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9 hours ago, Arrow 1983 said:

I don't need inside info I can tell you exactly what JB knows. 

They took xrays and learned that there was a tear.

They have no clue what type it is far to early to know that plus the lubrication that the knee has release would make the xray unable to tell at this point

In a few days that lubrication will be absorbed into the skin and they will get a clearer look. 

Either the tear will be small and it will heal on it's own 3-4 weeks

Or it will be larger and need surgery 

Even if it is small tear infection which is high in these cases due to the lubrication that has come out can also trigger surgery

Surgery now or not will be dependent on how much further damage was cause from the time he got the tear to the time he went to bed.

If he doesn't have surgery his leg will be immobilized for 10-14 days after that he will regain his mobility but the next 10 days ish will tell. 1 if he re-tears it or 2 if it heals properly 

they don't take xrays for tears lol  so that proves you have no clue in what you talking about  ; ultra sound maybe  but a MRI  is what find tears   ,  this I know for a fact because i had tears  and one healed in 5 weeks  with a regular doctor , not a nhl team doctor  trainers physiotherapists with access to the best medical and rehab  equipment  in Vancouver  let alone getting a mri appointment  in a day lol

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2 minutes ago, the grinder said:

they don't take xrays for tears lol  so that proves you have no clue in what you talking about  ; ultra sound maybe  but a MRI  is what find tears   ,  this I know for a fact because had tears  and one healed in 5 weeks  with a regular doctor , not a nhl team doctor  trainers physiotherapists with access to the best medical and rehab  equipment  in Vancouver  let alone getting a mri appointment  in a day lol

Don’t our players go south for their important medical diagnosis and care?  

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12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

100% agree with you.  Will Green change his systems, so our guys are in better position (and better to support one another) on the ice to play defensively sound?  Can we continue to bleed high scoring chances and have poor possession?  

My guess is that he won't change too much system wise but most likely will use Jake more, and also Gaud. It's a time like this that really shows why he's been riding guys so hard over the last few seasons to be defensively responsible first. He can rely on both to shift their energy/focus since that's already been their focus.

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17 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Don’t our players go south for their important medical diagnosis and care?  

Maybe to see renowned surgeons and specialists but it’s not that difficult to diagnose an injury when your boss is a billionaire and has access to the best medical care in the city. 

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