realfan201777 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Ok so I totally agree with everyone saying erikkson roussel and Sutter need to be benched/Scratched and that's a no brainer. Are you guys forgetting when edler was injured we went on a little streak? The man is old he skates slow and doesn't complete his checks. Huge gap that needs to be filled and when guys like edler are out on the PPK it's KILLING US. The man has aged and cannot skate at an NHL level. He struggles to get to loose pucks to clear and he's running out of energy getting there. The vets are hurting us. Let's shake this team up bring in Bailey , Boucher or even goldobin and start BENN or maybe Rafferty?. If we fighting for a spot we need some energy in this group. With toffolli it was an ALL IN for making a run for the playoffs so coaching staff needs to step the heck up and just do what's best for the group. We getting pounded 40 shots per game. Fans need to stop pointing fingers at goalies. Markstrom was a blessing but our defense is absolutely drilling us right now. We are lost puppies in our own zone. Greens such a joke can't believe he can't see this. Edited March 2, 2020 by realfan201777 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 none of those guys you mentioned are an upgrade on the players in question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon.Duck Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 We only have so many call ups remaining. The team needs to have a closed door players only meeting. Horvat needs to tear them a new one and light a fire. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Benn has been bad all this year, much worse than Edler. Boucher can't skate worth squat at the NHL level so I don't know what you think he will do, he's a career AHLer. I would like to see Bailey get a legit shot to see what he could do in a top 9 role but with only 3 callups left you have to be smart with them incase we get hit with the injury bug quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Glug Datt Posted March 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 2, 2020 edler missed 10 games starting Dec 1.. the team went 5 - 5 - 0 during that span, including 3 OT victories. when Edler came back, the team won 6 in a row. not sure what streak you're referring to.. Edler's not perfect but he ain't the problem 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much. -Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year. -Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against. -Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly -Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2. -Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi) 2020-21: Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________ Hughes - _______________ Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year) ________________ - __________________ Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go? Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?' Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi? Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Two depleted teams just hammered us, so our standby injuries excuse won’t suffice there, Kumbaya. Heaven forbid someone dare criticize Benning here. Oh Lord, Kumbaya. Love the reactionaries after a big loss. Why wait though? Kumbaya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GritGrinder Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 18 minutes ago, Canadian said: Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much. -Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year. -Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against. -Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly -Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2. -Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi) 2020-21: Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________ Hughes - _______________ Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year) ________________ - __________________ Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go? Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?' Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi? Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth. So Benning's big UFA defenseman signing is "defensively not all that good" and has "some puck-moving ability"..? Why on earth would Benning sign him then..? Probably could have had any # of other UFA d-men for $3m AAV or less. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YEGCanuck Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Oregon.Duck said: We only have so many call ups remaining. The team needs to have a closed door players only meeting. Horvat needs to tear them a new one and light a fire. What Horvat really needs to do is look in the mirror and be seriously pissed off. Forget about the "we" need to be better bullsh!t. He needs to say I failed to contain my opponent and that led to a goal. I screwed up and I need to play better. Take ownership of this crap, lead by example and challenge to other guys to get their stuff together or pack it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rychicken Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Canadian said: Benn and Fantenberg haven't been that good all year. Fantenberg was on a nice little stretch before his injury, and since returning, hasn't been effective. Can only cycle between the two of them so much. -Obviously Quinn has been a beast this year. -Edler is an aging vet, but has been relatively solid - with the eye test, I don't see him being responsible for many of the goals against. -Tanev, healthy for the first time ever, is what he is. A defensive specialist who plays a simple game. I'm worried about paying him and having him on IR for half of the year in future. I feel like this year is an anomaly -Myers is as advertised from his time in Buffalo and Winnipeg. Defensively not all that good, but brings some puck-moving ability. At least they're using him on PP2 now instead of Edler on PP1 and Hughes on PP2. -Stecher is solid for a #6. Battles hard, but obviously isn't the biggest guy and doesn't bring much offense. Is it time to take a chance on some offensive youth instead? (Rafferty? Juolevi) 2020-21: Edler (not going anywhere) - _________________ Hughes - _______________ Tryamkin (signed out of KHL hopefully) - Myers (?; played horribly with Hughes and Edler this year) ________________ - __________________ Let Tanev go? Let Fantenburg go? Trade Stecher? Trade Benn?' Call-up Rafferty? Call-up Juolevi? Have another opportunity to replace half the defense again next year, after doing so this year. Just depends on how much cap the Canucks have, and how much they want to transition to more youth. Nice recap of our current D group - agree with most of what you posted. It really is a weak point of the team, and I think some of the forward combos are designed because of the back-end weakness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Toffoli was not all in for the playoffs, he essentially replaced Boeser. I don’t know why people keep referring to that. Basically Benning even said a better chance to make the playoffs. We are still in the thick of things. I have reason to believe they will make the playoffs. The bring in Bailey etc is just non sense. Bailey couldn’t crack a crappy Sabres lineup, why would he ours. Having said that, I expect a couple young players replacing a couple vets next year God this fan base is so reactive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Grit Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Pearson- Miller - Toffoli Virtanen- Petey - Boeser Hoglander- Horvat-Podkolzin Leivo-Gaudette-MacEwan Hughes-Tanev Edler-Myers Tryamkin-Stecher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Playoff Grit Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 The Problems with the Canucks are obvious to everyone outside of coaching and management. - Ericcson 6 Million Cap for a guy that belongs in AHL / SEL / Retired - Sutter 4.75 Million for the (only) softest Sutter that does almost nothing, ever. -Beagle 3M for zero goals , zero hits , zero fights -Roussel 3M for stupid penalty's and nothing else -Ferland Terrible due diligence , dude is done playing pro hockey. -Benn Plays smaller than Stecher , Benn's jacked but offers zero deterrence. If he just punched the odd face he would be of some use. -Head Office - Luongo recapture is an absolute farce. If the canucks want to contend anytime soon the above needs to be off our books. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 4 hours ago, GritGrinder said: So Benning's big UFA defenseman signing is "defensively not all that good" and has "some puck-moving ability"..? Why on earth would Benning sign him then..? Probably could have had any # of other UFA d-men for $3m AAV or less. We signed him because he can sometimes elevate his game with intensity and is a large body.... but the primary reason is he was putting up offensive numbers and has strong zone exits... at the time of the signing we had a declining Edler and a relatively unknown Hughes for offense from the defence. We signed Myers to give us some offense.. that's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GritGrinder Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 10 minutes ago, JayDangles said: We signed him because he can sometimes elevate his game with intensity and is a large body.... but the primary reason is he was putting up offensive numbers and has strong zone exits... at the time of the signing we had a declining Edler and a relatively unknown Hughes for offense from the defence. We signed Myers to give us some offense.. that's why. "sometimes" and "was"...he's on pace for 26pts and is having one of his worst offensive seasons even though he is getting 53% o-zone starts and will likely continue to decline as he ages over the next 4yrs at $6m. His #'s aren't that different than Ben Hutton's and he's making $1.5m and is 4 yrs younger. So if they signed Myers for his offense then its a terrible signing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 (edited) Edited Edited March 2, 2020 by JayDangles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 14 minutes ago, GritGrinder said: "sometimes" and "was"...he's on pace for 26pts and is having one of his worst offensive seasons even though he is getting 53% o-zone starts and will likely continue to decline as he ages over the next 4yrs at $6m. His #'s aren't that different than Ben Hutton's and he's making $1.5m and is 4 yrs younger. So if they signed Myers for his offense then its a terrible signing. Well I wasn't saying I agree with the signing, just pointing out WHY we signed him.... also, your points are all valid, however they have the advantage of hindsight. Unfortunately, when signing a contract with a player, you're unable to predict the future, so therefore must pay based on the past. Unless your post is dated July 1, 2019, then you are simply pointing out things after the fact and criticizing something after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GritGrinder Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 6 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Well I wasn't saying I agree with the signing, just pointing out WHY we signed him.... also, your points are all valid, however they have the advantage of hindsight. Unfortunately, when signing a contract with a player, you're unable to predict the future, so therefore must pay based on the past. Unless your post is dated July 1, 2019, then you are simply pointing out things after the fact and criticizing something after the fact. I may be unable to predict the future but you would think an NHL GM and his assistants would be able to see that a 30yr old defenseman who's offense wasn't all that great to begin with would decline as he ages over the 5 years of the contract. Also, there were plenty of people criticizing this signing July 1st and continue to and basically they have been proven right. Myers plays a $2-$3m game yet is payed $6m ($7m actual salary this season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetterssonOrPeterson Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Everything you said is so wrong, I can't tell if this is a troll attempt or just a mental breakdown. Probably both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted March 2, 2020 Share Posted March 2, 2020 Dont forget myers joined the vaunted coaching trifecta that currently run the canucks bench... kinda hard to blame our defense for the offensive blackhole the canucks backend has been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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