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Winnipeg Jets also are doing the same thing.

 

It's in this article -- https://globalnews.ca/news/6678203/calgary-flames-staff-pay-covid-19/

 

Hell, even the Canucks are doing it with Aquilini's bogus "case by case" tweet (or something to that affect)... which basically means "we'll only pay a few people to keep up appearances".

 

Every team doing this is entering a PR nightmare and they have to ask themselves, as organizations, whats worth it -- paying these people (and risk not having them quit) or going down the not paying route, have people quit in droves, and then spend more money on training new people to replace the people they drove away?!?

 

Also... it's really on the group that owns the stadium to pay these employees. Some teams don't own the stadiums they play in. But the moral of the story is, just pay the people.

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2 minutes ago, Quantum said:

Winnipeg Jets also are doing the same thing.

 

It's in this article -- https://globalnews.ca/news/6678203/calgary-flames-staff-pay-covid-19/

 

Hell, even the Canucks are doing it with Aquilini's bogus "case by case" tweet (or something to that affect)... which basically means "we'll only pay a few people to keep up appearances".

 

Every team doing this is entering a PR nightmare and they have to ask themselves, as organizations, whats worth it -- paying these people (and risk not having them quit) or going down the not paying route, have people quit in droves, and then spend more money on training new people to replace the people they drove away?!?

 

Also... it's really on the group that owns the stadium to pay these employees. Some teams don't own the stadiums they play in. But the moral of the story is, just pay the people.

 

or maybe

if you are not gonna pay them

just shut up already

and say nothing about it

 

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8 minutes ago, 'NucK™ said:

Am I wrong to assume a lot of companies are not paying staff in the midst of shutdowns? Isn't that what the rapid EI is for? 

i think you are on to something here

and yes

i believe you are correct

 

maybe nhl arena staff

in canada

can apply for ei

that is what it is intended for

 

if that is the case

the go fund me money can be distrubuted

among all the posters on cdc

cuz we could use more beer money

 

 

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Just now, Fanuck said:

And in other news, Flames announce bankruptcy after paying employee wages for weeks/months with zero revenue coming in.

 

Small market teams,  darned if they do, darned if they don't. 

yeah right

they pay a few extra peanuts out to staff

and that bankrupts them

did you see the millions of additional franchise value that has accrued over the last couple years ?

you know they will soon be getting expansion fees money via seattle ?

 

but let's just post that the lowest paid staff

are responsible to bankrupt that nhl franchise

cuz that is a very real and responsible assessment of the situation

 

good one

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24 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

And in other news, Flames announce bankruptcy after paying employee wages for weeks/months with zero revenue coming in.

 

Small market teams,  darned if they do, darned if they don't. 

So billionaires can't afford to pick up the tab but millionaires like Bobrovsky can step up?

 

https://www.tsn.ca/report-sergei-bobrovsky-is-giving-100k-to-florida-panthers-arena-staff-1.1457135

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Don't get me wrong,  I'm very empathetic towards all of the various employees that are being put in this difficult position through no fault of their own - but at the same time I'm a realist and know full-well that most businesses will put their own interests over and above all else pandemic or no pandemic.  

 

What a person or what a company can afford to do often has little impact on what they actually do in real life unfortunately.

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2 minutes ago, Fanuck said:

Don't get me wrong,  I'm very empathetic towards all of the various employees that are being put in this difficult position through no fault of their own - but at the same time I'm a realist and know full-well that most businesses will put their own interests over and above all else pandemic or no pandemic.  

 

What a person or what a company can afford to do often has little impact on what they actually do in real life unfortunately.

no question about this at all

 

it's the previous post about bankruptcy due to supporting low paid staff

that triggered a response

 

stay safe

(cuz we do not want to pay to have to support you :towel:)

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I am sure some people are in a position that they can not afford any shut down of pay...….

 

But we have

 

1. Unemployed insurance

2. Welfare

3. Arrange with you bank to pay interest only

4. Purchase lesser quality products (food)

5. Forego vices...…….Cell phones, cable TV, cigarettes, weed, vaping, Booze, fast food, treats etc......None essentials

6. Leave it for those that need it most

 

IMO, we are set up in our socialist country to help the needy for the most part...………..but many times I see people who have their hand out, on a cell phones or smoking etc.

 

Personally, I donate to Salvation Army and Food banks, because I can...……...and I have no problem doing so, but some can't...those are the ones I want to help! Whom ever they are.

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2 hours ago, King Heffy said:

So billionaires can't afford to pick up the tab but millionaires like Bobrovsky can step up?

 

https://www.tsn.ca/report-sergei-bobrovsky-is-giving-100k-to-florida-panthers-arena-staff-1.1457135

classy move by Bob's. 

 

Can't say I'm too surprised by Calgary ownership. As much as I love to dump on the F'Lames regular people in Calgary won't like this. 

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22 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

classy move by Bob's. 

 

Can't say I'm too surprised by Calgary ownership. As much as I love to dump on the F'Lames regular people in Calgary won't like this. 

1% of his aav

damn

wish my 1%

amounted to more then $330

:bigblush:

 

then i i too could be classy   :towel:

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A lot of companies will just do what the law requires or perhaps what the union was able to negotiate.  These NHL clubs are businesses after all. 

 

Gotta feel bad for these part time workers and people that are living paycheque to paycheque.

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5 minutes ago, shazzam said:

A lot of companies will just do what the law requires or perhaps what the union was able to negotiate.  These NHL clubs are businesses after all. 

 

Gotta feel bad for these part time workers and people that are living paycheque to paycheque.

true

 

the thread more focuses on the pr values though

 

if a team is not prepared to step forward and support these low pay staff

they might just want to keep very quiet

 

and later explain that there were government funded programs

that staff were directed to

 

 

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3 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I am sure some people are in a position that they can not afford any shut down of pay...….

 

But we have

 

1. Unemployed insurance

2. Welfare

3. Arrange with you bank to pay interest only

4. Purchase lesser quality products (food)

5. Forego vices...…….Cell phones, cable TV, cigarettes, weed, vaping, Booze, fast food, treats etc......None essentials

6. Leave it for those that need it most

 

IMO, we are set up in our socialist country to help the needy for the most part...………..but many times I see people who have their hand out, on a cell phones or smoking etc.

 

Personally, I donate to Salvation Army and Food banks, because I can...……...and I have no problem doing so, but some can't...those are the ones I want to help! Whom ever they are.

i hate to say it but welfare is a joke , I worked on a project across the street from a welfare office I don't know many people would roll up in a nice expensive car  park down the block ,, put on a grubby shirt  change the 200 dollar nikes , take the watch off ,hide the iPhone and stroll into the good ole welfare office ,  the whole welfare systems needs a overhaul  to stop this abuse of the system

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2 hours ago, coastal.view said:

true

 

the thread more focuses on the pr values though

 

if a team is not prepared to step forward and support these low pay staff

they might just want to keep very quiet

 

and later explain that there were government funded programs

that staff were directed to

 

 

Perhaps have a few team lawyers help with the process as well,if you arent gonna pay the people 

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1 hour ago, the grinder said:

i hate to say it but welfare is a joke , I worked on a project across the street from a welfare office I don't know many people would roll up in a nice expensive car  park down the block ,, put on a grubby shirt  change the 200 dollar nikes , take the watch off ,hide the iPhone and stroll into the good ole welfare office ,  the whole welfare systems needs a overhaul  to stop this abuse of the system

Well, nooooooo

Welfare is for those in need, not who you described

People seem to think hardships are no lattes at Stabucks now a days...…..

These type of programs are those that are truly in need

People have to realize that steak is not an option when you are poor and in need, same with smokes, or POP, or candybars

I am not wealthy, and am on a pension, but I could survive for a couple of months with no money

I am not in need...………..those people with little money or food in their cupboards are in need

Those that can still buy or pay for an expensive car, are not in need

I don't mean to lecture, and I apoligize, but I came from a very poor family

and believe it or not, we scrounge around the dump when I was a kid. Our very close friends had a hole from their roof into their kitchen

That is poor...……….but my mom baked, and my dad fished, so we ate well....like real food! Carrot and potatoes and stuff

hardly ever seen a pop or a bag of chips...……..it just was not the norm

Now I see street people with smart phones?????Like what the heck?

We just have to get through a couple of months hopefully, but in the mean time.....no big crowds for this guy!

Lots of walks, maybe a game of golf, if it is nice...…...

Like I said in an earlier post, I am not in need, certainly not at this time

I will look after family first, and go from there...…...I always have a dollar for the salvation army coffers

And that guy you talk about with the nice car...maybe he needs to find a little dignity and humility

If it gets that bad, he will go there, and the food banks, but we are a long way from there, IMO

I hate Liver......but if I was hungry....I sure the hell would eat it!

 

 

 

 

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