Judd Brackett

[khay]

12 hours ago, Toews said:

That draft is an interesting one. Because piecing together some tidbits, the Canucks had PLD fairly high on their draft board. I think the draft board probably had Matthews, Laine, PLD as the top 3. Unfortunately Kekalainen grabbed PLD at 3 sending Puljujarvi tumbling to 4 where Edmonton grabbed him. I have read that Chiarelli was looking at taking a defenseman at #4 until Puljujarvi fell to them. I think at that point Benning didn't see too many home run players to pick, we hadn't drafted D in the first round in years. Tkachuk also ended up as better than expected. While he was a safe pick, his upside was questionable as he was playing on the same line in junior with Marner & Dvorak. I don't believe Benning should be crucified for going off the board to take Juolevi, injuries played a big factor as well.

Yes, OJ can still pan out, although highly unlikely that he will reach the level that we were hoping for. He could still become a serviceable defenceman in the top 4, maybe top 5.

 

I don't want to crucify JB for that pick. But Tkachuk was slightly ahead of OJ in most rankings unless your chief scout recommends otherwise, you go with the BPA (if the rumors are true that JB picked OJ against scouts recommendations).

 

Tkachuk would be amazing on Bo's wing.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser

Tkachuk-Horvat-Toffoli

 

Not sure if we can fit all of that in the cap but it sure is great to think about.

 

 

[Canucks Curse]

just heard the Dhwaliwal-Sekeres interview from May 14- man these guys also trilling Canucks- calling them "dysfunctional" because tryamkin has not signed yet and because of the Judd Brackett thing...

Sekeres says a "wise man once told him Tryamkin will never wear a canucks jersey again," and that the "canucks are working on a trade."

 

I am guessing the trade is to clear cap space for tryamkin, but oh boy - making a trade right now would be tough, especially making a good one. Can teams even trade right now? If that is the message- hold on Tryamkin- we are going to make a trade- well then I imagine it is not a dysfunctional canucks team, but rather the league has out a freeze on trades (because we are after the TDL) and will re-open the league to trades once the cover stuff is figured out. I think this covid thing puts canucks in potentially an excellent position actually. 

Potential of a buy you-LE (6 million off the books)

Cap not going up and uncertainty of UFA market - hello reasonable prices for contracts of Markstrom and Toffoli

Re-nogiate Trades for teams who gave up first rounder? Hello renegotiate 1st with New Jersey (some trade like Mcdonaught+Rafferty+ OJ + beartschi+3rd) for our 1st back?

24 team playoff- Canuck youth get to experience high stakes playoff games

[Crabcakes]

15 minutes ago, khay said:

Yes, OJ can still pan out, although highly unlikely that he will reach the level that we were hoping for. He could still become a serviceable defenceman in the top 4, maybe top 5.

 

I don't want to crucify JB for that pick. But Tkachuk was slightly ahead of OJ in most rankings unless your chief scout recommends otherwise, you go with the BPA (if the rumors are true that JB picked OJ against scouts recommendations).

 

Tkachuk would be amazing on Bo's wing.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser

Tkachuk-Horvat-Toffoli

 

Not sure if we can fit all of that in the cap but it sure is great to think about.

 

 

The thing is, Benning has been drafting players for skill set but also for character and fit for the team.  That is one of the reasons why he drafted Pettersson and also one of the reasons why he didn't draft Tkachuk.  It is well known that daddy Keith is a piece of work and so are Matthew and Brady.  It's one of the qualities that makes them good players but it was feared that they wouldn't be good team mates to the players on this team.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

22 minutes ago, khay said:

Yes, OJ can still pan out, although highly unlikely that he will reach the level that we were hoping for. He could still become a serviceable defenceman in the top 4, maybe top 5.

Unless he makes any kind of real improvement in his defensive game, he won't be anything more than a power play specialist/#6 at the NHL level.  He isn't even a #4 guy in the AHL.  That to me is his biggest disappointment.  He's clearly has the offensive skills to play in the NHL *RIGHT NOW*.  Defensive skills?  You can always work on that.  He's got time but that time is running out as he falls further down the Canucks D depth charts.

[Crabcakes]

16 minutes ago, Canucks Curse said:

just heard the Dhwaliwal-Sekeres interview from May 14- man these guys also trilling Canucks- calling them "dysfunctional" because tryamkin has not signed yet and because of the Judd Brackett thing...

Sekeres says a "wise man once told him Tryamkin will never wear a canucks jersey again," and that the "canucks are working on a trade."

 

I am guessing the trade is to clear cap space for tryamkin, but oh boy - making a trade right now would be tough, especially making a good one. Can teams even trade right now? If that is the message- hold on Tryamkin- we are going to make a trade- well then I imagine it is not a dysfunctional canucks team, but rather the league has out a freeze on trades (because we are after the TDL) and will re-open the league to trades once the cover stuff is figured out. I think this covid thing puts canucks in potentially an excellent position actually. 

Potential of a buy you-LE (6 million off the books)

Cap not going up and uncertainty of UFA market - hello reasonable prices for contracts of Markstrom and Toffoli

Re-nogiate Trades for teams who gave up first rounder? Hello renegotiate 1st with New Jersey (some trade like Mcdonaught+Rafferty+ OJ + beartschi+3rd) for our 1st back?

24 team playoff- Canuck youth get to experience high stakes playoff games

Sekeres has a bias that is all too clear.  He can't stand Benning and he has a massive man-crush on Gillis.  So I take all he says with this in mind. 

 

Maybe Sekeres is Taj?    That's 2 of the 4 tag lines on his twitter profile

[theo5789]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Unless he makes any kind of real improvement in his defensive game, he won't be anything more than a power play specialist/#6 at the NHL level.  He isn't even a #4 guy in the AHL.  That to me is his biggest disappointment.  He's clearly has the offensive skills to play in the NHL *RIGHT NOW*.  Defensive skills?  You can always work on that.  He's got time but that time is running out as he falls further down the Canucks D depth charts.

Last I heard, he was a top PKer in Utica and played around 20 minutes a night while having his ice time/games played managed due to recovering from his surgeries. He does need to still improve on his defensive game no doubt, as he will need to work on his turns getting comfortable with the knee and just getting more reps at the professional level since he's been out quite some time. I don't think he will become the dman we were hoping for when we drafted him, but I remain optimistic that he will still be a legit NHLer as long as we don't rush him just to get him to the NHL asap, but rather ensure he's the best player he can possibly be when he does make the NHL and sticks.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Unless he makes any kind of real improvement in his defensive game, he won't be anything more than a power play specialist/#6 at the NHL level.  He isn't even a #4 guy in the AHL.  That to me is his biggest disappointment.  He's clearly has the offensive skills to play in the NHL *RIGHT NOW*.  Defensive skills?  You can always work on that.  He's got time but that time is running out as he falls further down the Canucks D depth charts.

You honestly don't think a mere 22 year old player who has unfortunately missed almost two years of development with injuries, doesn't have the ability and additional potential ceiling to improve defensively (or the rest of his game for that matter)?

[JM_]

1 hour ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

Unless he makes any kind of real improvement in his defensive game, he won't be anything more than a power play specialist/#6 at the NHL level.  He isn't even a #4 guy in the AHL.  That to me is his biggest disappointment.  He's clearly has the offensive skills to play in the NHL *RIGHT NOW*.  Defensive skills?  You can always work on that.  He's got time but that time is running out as he falls further down the Canucks D depth charts.

how do you figure that? Cull has been glowing about his abilities when he's actually been in the lineup. 

[DeNiro]

2 hours ago, khay said:

Yes, OJ can still pan out, although highly unlikely that he will reach the level that we were hoping for. He could still become a serviceable defenceman in the top 4, maybe top 5.

 

I don't want to crucify JB for that pick. But Tkachuk was slightly ahead of OJ in most rankings unless your chief scout recommends otherwise, you go with the BPA (if the rumors are true that JB picked OJ against scouts recommendations).

 

Tkachuk would be amazing on Bo's wing.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser

Tkachuk-Horvat-Toffoli

 

Not sure if we can fit all of that in the cap but it sure is great to think about.

 

Butterfly effect.

 

If we draft Tkachuk we might not end up drafting Pettersson and therefore wouldn’t be in a position to trade for Toffoli.

 

That lineup was very unlikely to ever exist.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

10 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

how do you figure that? Cull has been glowing about his abilities when he's actually been in the lineup. 

He's still being getting sheltered minutes (to cover for his defensive deficiences) from what I can see.   As I said, there's no denying his offensive skills.  But you can't rely on that to get in the NHL.  Look at AHL allstar Jordan Subban as an example.

[NewbieCanuckFan]

29 minutes ago, aGENT said:

You honestly don't think a mere 22 year old player who has unfortunately missed almost two years of development with injuries, doesn't have the ability and additional potential ceiling to improve defensively (or the rest of his game for that matter)?

I did say he could always work on the defensive side of his game.  

[Canucks Curse]

tkachuk is a moot point

 

as of now we have:

 

Miller Petey Toff

Peaerson Horvat Boesser

Podz, Hogz projected as top 6xers, Podz with bite. To me tkachuk is not a huge upgrade on this group, so I am over it now. Plus we have Hughes, agree with butterfly effect. what we need now is to not F up the situation with our drafting, tryamkin and our cap. 

[I.Am.Ironman]

Isn't JD Burke the guy that said that the JT MIller trade was a fleecing by tampa? IIRC he isn't willing to change his stance on that even after the season JT had for the Canucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't see why people take this guy so seriously if he can't even acknowledge that the JT Miller trade benefited the Canucks

[MikeyD]

3 hours ago, khay said:

Yes, OJ can still pan out, although highly unlikely that he will reach the level that we were hoping for. He could still become a serviceable defenceman in the top 4, maybe top 5.

 

I don't want to crucify JB for that pick. But Tkachuk was slightly ahead of OJ in most rankings unless your chief scout recommends otherwise, you go with the BPA (if the rumors are true that JB picked OJ against scouts recommendations).

 

Tkachuk would be amazing on Bo's wing.

 

Miller-EP-Boeser

Tkachuk-Horvat-Toffoli

 

Not sure if we can fit all of that in the cap but it sure is great to think about.

 

 

I've watched enough Utica games this year to agree with this. He's a good passer, but his defense is very average for his age. Doesn't make many fancy plays or really show much poise with the puck but he's good at getting the puck up the ice efficiently. 

[MikeyD]

Honestly I put Juolevi on par with Olli Maatta. Not good enough defensively for the nhl, but has enough offensive capability for it. 

Edited May 18, 2020 by MikeyD

[DeNiro]

46 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said:

Isn't JD Burke the guy that said that the JT MIller trade was a fleecing by tampa? IIRC he isn't willing to change his stance on that even after the season JT had for the Canucks. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but I don't see why people take this guy so seriously if he can't even acknowledge that the JT Miller trade benefited the Canucks

Add to that the fact that all Tampa has to show for that trade now is Coleman and a 3rd.

 

I don’t see how any intelligent hockey writer can’t see that the Canucks won that trade. 

[Gurn]

18 hours ago, zimmy said:

It's the heightened and overly zealous pitting of sides that I personally take issue with. That and the portrayal of JBrack as a generational Prospect Whisperer, the loss of whom the team cannot possibly survive. The irrational, collective angst seems to have found a ready home in these forums which I suppose was the point the whole time. Click .... click .... click ....

I was going to give this post a plus, but was worried it would be perceived as a "click".

[aGENT]

7 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said:

I did say he could always work on the defensive side of his game.  

 

7 hours ago, MikeyD said:

I've watched enough Utica games this year to agree with this. He's a good passer, but his defense is very average for his age. Doesn't make many fancy plays or really show much poise with the puck but he's good at getting the puck up the ice efficiently. 

And what generally takes the most time for defensemen to develop?

 

And how do they get better at playing defense? Reps, that's how.

 

So a kid that's missed almost two years with injuries (and now ANOTHER season cut short by covid) is 'average for his age' defensively. Is that a surprise to anyone? Developmentally, he's closer to a 20 year old.

 

That he's 'average' at this point is actually pretty damn good.

 

Now let's get hockey back so this kid can get reps damn it!

Edited May 19, 2020 by aGENT

[Toews]

8 hours ago, Crabcakes said:

The thing is, Benning has been drafting players for skill set but also for character and fit for the team.  That is one of the reasons why he drafted Pettersson and also one of the reasons why he didn't draft Tkachuk.  It is well known that daddy Keith is a piece of work and so are Matthew and Brady.  It's one of the qualities that makes them good players but it was feared that they wouldn't be good team mates to the players on this team.

What is your source that Benning didn't draft Tkachuk because of character concerns? I have yet to hear any concerns coming out of Ottawa or Calgary regarding either of those players. Funnily enough Jared McCann a Benning draft pick is considered a locker room cancer because of something Beth Bartowski and Andrey Pedan said. Its almost like any player we pass on or trade suddenly becomes public enemy number 1 over here.

[TheRealistOptimist]

33 minutes ago, Toews said:

What is your source that Benning didn't draft Tkachuk because of character concerns? I have yet to hear any concerns coming out of Ottawa or Calgary regarding either of those players. Funnily enough Jared McCann a Benning draft pick is considered a locker room cancer because of something Beth Bartowski and Andrey Pedan said. Its almost like any player we pass on or trade suddenly becomes public enemy number 1 over here.

It is funny how people can have such different perspectives about the same market and fanbase.