lmm Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 On 4/29/2020 at 3:48 PM, ruilin96 said: That would happen, but if you miss year after year after year like we did with Nonis and Gillis, then something is wrong with the process. JB's worst draft is 2016 (not talking about picking Juolevi too high) I am talking about overall, the later round picks just don't seem to have much of a chance of making the NHL even when they got drafted initially. Unlike the 2017, 2018 and 2019 draft, you can see where some of these later round picks could end up as NHLers at the time they got drafted, but you never get that sense with the later round picks in 2016. For later round picks, I am referring to picks after the 3rd round. other than maybe Rathbone, who do you see in 17-18-19 that you think can make the NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, lmm said: other than maybe Rathbone, who do you see in 17-18-19 that you think can make the NHL? The error I think I he used making is that the newest toys are always the shiniest. We have great hopes for lots of players, and almost all of them prove why they were drafted late. The most recent ones just haven’t had the time to prove that yet so they seem better in comparison. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 6 hours ago, Provost said: The error I think I he used making is that the newest toys are always the shiniest. We have great hopes for lots of players, and almost all of them prove why they were drafted late. The most recent ones just haven’t had the time to prove that yet so they seem better in comparison. I see Manyukin is tiny, and so is Utonen, while Thiessen has a .500 save % and 25.59 GAA. I know its a small sample size, but "THIS WILL GO DOWN ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD" He is big, maybe we can turn him into a defenseman/4th line swinger . haha https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, lmm said: I see Manyukin is tiny, and so is Utonen, while Thiessen has a .500 save % and 25.59 GAA. I know its a small sample size, but "THIS WILL GO DOWN ON YOUR PERMANENT RECORD" He is big, maybe we can turn him into a defenseman/4th line swinger . haha https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201400 Lol I had to go check Thiessen’s stats to find the real numbers. For some reason they even have his GAA as 25.59 on the University of Maine’s website. I guess that’s where all the other sites took it from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddogy Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 On 4/30/2020 at 6:40 AM, Lazurus said: There was a retool plan. A stealth tank for one year. He traded both Schnides and Luongo, the team would have lost mucho with no goal starting goaltenders without striping it down too much. Oh well, that was two hockey generations ago. Used to be one generation was 5 years, now it is 3.5 years. I am very disgusted with Gillis' interviews. Yes he admitted certain deficiencies but he underplayed the fact that the Boston Bruins remained a Cup Contender following the 2011 Cup Finals as they hit a couple of home runs in the draft. Whereas the Canucks under his leadership was not able to draft and develop a franchise D and a franchise forward (with all due respect to Horvat he is not a franchise centre). Gillis also screwed up the Luongo/Schneider tandem, the best in franchise history. I am really glad that Mike Gillis learned this and that lesson since he was fired. However, his deficiencies meant that the best Canucks team in franchise history only had two seasons of Cup contention (one season actually going far) versus the multiple seasons that other franchises enjoyed., 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 hour ago, DeNiro said: Lol I had to go check Thiessen’s stats to find the real numbers. For some reason they even have his GAA as 25.59 on the University of Maine’s website. I guess that’s where all the other sites took it from. The reason is that those are literally his stats. He was backup to Jeremy Swayman and literally played 7 minutes all of last year. Swayman signed with the Bruins. At least for next year, if he lasts in net a single period, he'll nearly triple his total playing time of the 2019-2020 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Down by the River said: The reason is that those are literally his stats. He was backup to Jeremy Swayman and literally played 7 minutes all of last year. Swayman signed with the Bruins. At least for next year, if he lasts in net a single period, he'll nearly triple his total playing time of the 2019-2020 season. And he allowed 25 goals in those 7 minutes? Somehow I doubt that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 8 minutes ago, DeNiro said: And he allowed 25 goals in those 7 minutes? Somehow I doubt that. GAA is per 60 he let in 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Zfetch said: GAA is per 60 he let in 3 Therefore his GAA would be 3.00. Ive never seen it calculated per 60. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Therefore his GAA would be 3.00. Ive never seen it calculated per 60. His GA is 3 His GAA is 25.59 Roberto Luongo's GAA in 2011 was 2.11. He did not let in 2 and a tenth goals all season. Edited May 3, 2020 by Zfetch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Therefore his GAA would be 3.00. Ive never seen it calculated per 60. It is literally always done this way. You probably just don't notice it because over the course of a full season the outliers won't have as strong an impact. I followed him all year as part of keeping track of prospects in the prospects thread. He had one game. 7 minutes. 3 goals. Stopped 3 of 6 shots. If you want an example of it you just need to find a box score of a game where a goalie was pulled. Their TOI might be 58:23 instead of 60:00 and accordingly you will see a wacky GAA. Edited May 3, 2020 by Down by the River Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Therefore his GAA would be 3.00. Ive never seen it calculated per 60. It is literally the calculation every time. https://www.liveabout.com/how-are-goaltending-statistics-calculated-2778917 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Zfetch said: His GA is 3 His GAA is 25.59 Roberto Luongo's GAA in 2011 was 2.11. He did not let in 2 and a tenth goals all season. I think you might be confused about what GAA. Goals against average (GAA) is one of the main metrics along with SV% for a goalies stats. It has nothing to do with minutes. It is the average goals a goalie lets in in the course of a season. Luongo having a 2.11 GAA means he let in on average slightly over two goals per game. A goalies GAA could never be 25. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zfetch Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I think you might be confused about what GAA. Goals against average (GAA) is one of the main metrics along with SV% for a goalies stats. It has nothing to do with minutes. It is the average goals a goalie lets in in the course of a season. Luongo having a 2.11 GAA means he let in on average slightly over two goals per game. A goalies GAA could never be 25. It can be when you play 7/60ths a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 Waiting for the moment @DeNiro gets it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 2 hours ago, theo5789 said: Waiting for the moment @DeNiro gets it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK_19 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 17 hours ago, DeNiro said: I think you might be confused about what GAA. Goals against average (GAA) is one of the main metrics along with SV% for a goalies stats. It has nothing to do with minutes. It is the average goals a goalie lets in in the course of a season. Luongo having a 2.11 GAA means he let in on average slightly over two goals per game. A goalies GAA could never be 25. No, it has everything to do with minutes played:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goals_against_average If you played 1 minute in a game and let in one goal, your GAA is not 1.00, but 60.00. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 18 hours ago, DeNiro said: I think you might be confused about what GAA. Goals against average (GAA) is one of the main metrics along with SV% for a goalies stats. It has nothing to do with minutes. It is the average goals a goalie lets in in the course of a season. Luongo having a 2.11 GAA means he let in on average slightly over two goals per game. A goalies GAA could never be 25. The calculation has literally been posted... links to the calculation have been posted. I am pretty sure everyone knows who “might be confused about GAA” is at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) 21 hours ago, DeNiro said: Lol I had to go check Thiessen’s stats to find the real numbers. For some reason they even have his GAA as 25.59 on the University of Maine’s website. I guess that’s where all the other sites took it from. you learn something new every day... or at least once in a while. I once started a hockey pool, that required 3 goalies to play a combined 82 games, any team that's goalies did not play the required 82 were penalized with the worst GAA in the league. The year was 1990 https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=4433 those first yar stats for Ol' Red Light Racicot are almost identical to Matt Thiessen's 1 game 6 shots 3 saves 3goals against .500 save percentage the only difference is Racicot played almost twice the minutes Racicot 13 mins = a GAA of 13.85 Thiessen 7 mins = a GAA of 25.69 on the plus side, RRacicot had a winning NHL career even though his best statistical season, had 0 wins but a GAA of 3.17 and a sv% of 8.95 Maybe Thiessen can be our swing d/w/ zamboni driver / ebug Edited May 4, 2020 by lmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmm Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 18 hours ago, Zfetch said: It can be when you play 7/60ths a game! FRACTIONS! I LOVE FRACTIONS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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