[Report] Canucks to part ways with Judd Bracket

[FairPM]

3 hours ago, Fred65 said:

 

And then of course it could have been dealt with like GM Murray did in Ducksville

 

 

Yes...  But notice the 'we talked about it for a few years' part? One person was patient and built his way up. the other tried a power grab move. Leaked stuff to the media, etc... 

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, FairPM said:

Yes...  But notice the 'we talked about it for a few years' part? One person was patient and built his way up. the other tried a power grab move. Leaked stuff to the media, etc... 

?? …. Brackett joined the Canucks in 2008 ie he's been  working for the organisation for 12 years, worked his way up and proved himself … because Benning promoted him to Director of Amateur scouting in 2015. he was DOS for close to 5 years. 

[JeremyCuddles]

On 6/14/2020 at 8:40 PM, CanuckleHorse said:

Look at all the NHL players that Benning drafted when he was a head scout that should tell you just how good he is at finding NHLers.

Head scouts don't make the final decision, which is what Brackett wanted to do (apparently). The way the scouting works with the Canucks there isn't one guy making the decision. A Scout scouts players, puts his list in. The GM/scouting department can decide whether or not to go with any of those player. Unless we know without a shadow of a doubt which players Benning wanted looking at the draft history of the teams he was head scout for wouldn't mean much. We'd be speculating as to which guys were his guys. Just like we do with Brackett. Except Brackett fans like to give him credit for all the hits and Benning the blame for the misses. 

[FairPM]

1 hour ago, Fred65 said:

?? …. Brackett joined the Canucks in 2008 ie he's been  working for the organisation for 12 years, worked his way up and proved himself … because Benning promoted him to Director of Amateur scouting in 2015. he was DOS for close to 5 years. 

he was DOS for 5 years and a part timer for much of his tenure. It wasn't him that overhauled the drafting system, it was Benning.  I'd say he just got some great mentorship.  He would probably have been in line for AGM had he renewed and played nice (office politics, etc...).  If 5 years as DoS is all you need to be an AGM, then there'd be way more AGMs.  

 

FWIW, here's the link to Martin Madden. DoS since 2008. He earned his way to his position.

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/6288/martin-madden

[Fred65]

1 hour ago, FairPM said:

he was DOS for 5 years and a part timer for much of his tenure. It wasn't him that overhauled the drafting system, it was Benning.  I'd say he just got some great mentorship.  He would probably have been in line for AGM had he renewed and played nice (office politics, etc...).  If 5 years as DoS is all you need to be an AGM, then there'd be way more AGMs.  

 

FWIW, here's the link to Martin Madden. DoS since 2008. He earned his way to his position.

 

https://www.eliteprospects.com/staff/6288/martin-madden

As you wish, as you wish. I'd think after the first ten years in most jobs it becomes a case of rinse and repeat. Your suggestion was that Madden some how built his way up, suggesting that Brackett didn't. Apprently in Bennings eyes he was doing a great job and had worked his way up, hence the promotion to Dir Scouting. When it comes to Scouting meeting the guys that's running the meeting was :-

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMb1fKDQogk

 

I tend to believe Brackett played along in office politics but had put his money on Linden. The prime motivator is Aquaman , it's confusing and I suspect in year 6-7 for Benning he might well fall prey to the confusion too. You can't go that long without a glimmer of success and expect a reward. Brackett will be back in the league and I suspect will continue on his road of excellence

[CanadianRugby]

On 6/3/2020 at 11:00 PM, theo5789 said:

Well like I said, Benning himself is recorded on the draft floor saying "speed and skill, remember, speed and skill" and this is him talking to Brackett, but I guess these "reports" are more reputable than the GM himself.

Yeah if you look at their drafting, the first half is size the next half is skill.  The strategy changed when Brackett got more of a say.  You don't have to believe it, but it's been reported. 

[N4ZZY]

sucks that Brackett won't be back with the Canucks. He's done so much good. 

 

I wonder who Benning will hire? Will that person be as good as Judd? 

 

If the Canucks bomb this upcoming draft, I'll have even more questions about Brackett's influence on the picks under his responsibility. 

 

Hearing that Judd might be joining Seattle. What a way to create some rivalry and bad blood between the two franchises right off the bat. 

 

[alt kilgore]

 

 

Report: Judd Brackett hired by Minnesota Wild

https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/report-judd-brackett-hired-by-minnesota-wild

 

Former Vancouver Canucks director of amateur scouting Judd Brackett didn’t stay unemployed for long.

Reports from Minnesota say the Minnesota Wild have scooped up the Massachusetts-based scout, nine days after his Canucks contract officially expired.

According to The Athletic, Brackett will lead the Wild’s amateur scouting department.

Brackett’s work in Vancouver was very well-regarded in scouting circles. He was promoted to director of amateur scouting in 2015, after Eric Crawford was fired and Canucks then-president Trevor Linden and general manager Jim Benning began to re-shuffle their scouting department.

Brackett’s work drew the notice of Linden over his first season running the department and by the 2017 draft, Brackett’s voice had become very influential in how the team built their draft list.

Under Linden and Benning Canucks’ drafts in 2017, 2018 and 2019 are considered to be very strong and many in the industry pointed to the standards Brackett and his top lieutenants had put in place, collecting information in a coherent fashion and getting as many views in on players as possible.

But after Linden left the club in 2018, Brackett and Benning grew more at odds over the team’s scouting approach, to the point where this season Brackett was offered a two-year extension by Benning but without guarantees over his role, especially in how he could direct scouts and staff his department.

In the end, Brackett didn’t sign the extension and Benning announced in late May that Brackett wouldn’t be returning.

 

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Still wondering why we had to let this guy go.   Benning seems to have a "smartest man in the room" complex. 

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Edited July 9, 2020 by kilgore

[Mackcanuck]

So, He leaves Canucks because he wasn't promoted and takes same position he left in Vancouver to go to Minnesota?

Sideways move?? 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Mackcanuck

[theo5789]

2 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

So, He leaves Canucks because he wasn't promoted and takes same position he left in Vancouver to go to Minnesota?

Sideways move?? 

Wanted more autonomy over the draft, he gets it in Minni where their GM (and most of their management) has little experience in this field.

[JeremyCuddles]

4 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

So, He leaves Canucks because he wasn't promoted and takes same position he left in Vancouver to go to Minnesota?

Sideways move?? 

He wasn’t after a promotion. He wanted more say in scouting/drafting. 

[Mackcanuck]

3 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Wanted more autonomy over the draft, he gets it in Minni where their GM (and most of their management) has little experience in this field.

Minnesota's GM Bill Guerin will be fired a in few weeks after they lose to the Canucks. 

[theo5789]

1 minute ago, Mackcanuck said:

Minnesota's GM Bill Guerin will be fired a in few weeks after they lose to the Canucks. 

Guerin reminds me of a sleazy used car salesman. I'm sure he can sell to the owners of his plan to stick around for a little while longer.

[aGENT]

20 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Wanted more autonomy over the draft, he gets it in Minni where their GM (and most of their management) has little experience in this field.

But that doesn't sound nearly panicky or reactionary enough...

 

Man moves on to a better fit...

[alt kilgore]

53 minutes ago, Mackcanuck said:

So, He leaves Canucks because he wasn't promoted and takes same position he left in Vancouver to go to Minnesota?

Sideways move?? 

The best scouting talent we've had left the Canucks because as Chief Scouting Director he dared to ask for authority to direct his own scouts, and to hire his own staff. 

 

The unmitigated gall.

[Mackcanuck]

7 minutes ago, kilgore said:

The best scouting talent we've had left the Canucks because as Chief Scouting Director he dared to ask for authority to direct his own scouts, and to hire his own staff. 

 

The unmitigated gall.

Benning's forte for decades was and is still, scouting, it is what he likes to do, he was not willing to step aside and give up full automomy at this time.

IMHO, He has done a very good job of it

 

NOW, If Judd Brackett was a capologist, that would be somewhat different

Edited July 9, 2020 by Mackcanuck

[theo5789]

5 minutes ago, kilgore said:

The best scouting talent we've had left the Canucks because as Chief Scouting Director he dared to ask for authority to direct his own scouts, and to hire his own staff. 

 

The unmitigated gall.

The 'best scouting talent we've had" didn't have full control and yet our drafting was doing quite fine. It sounds like things were actually working well prior to Brackett's decision to want more say (and rightfully so). Management didn't want this and now Brackett has found a place where he gets what we want. We are simply without Brackett but we will continue to move on, so unless Brackett had hidden draft crystal balls that he was hiding from management, all sides simply have gotten what they wanted in the end. How this changes the outlook of the draft for both teams remains to be seen, but I suspect it pretty much remains the same for everyone where some picks work out and some picks don't.

[Fred65]

Well that didn't take long, when you think an established coach Lindy Ruff took years of sitting on the side lines. I tend to think it'll be worth watching the draft this season if only to see who Minny takes. Good move by Guerin when you think he gets and estabilished and league wise respected within his fraternity director of scouting. Good for him and wish him well

Edited July 9, 2020 by Fred65

[Fred65]

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Under Linden and Benning, Canucks’ drafts in 2017, 2018 and 2019 are considered to be very strong and many in the industry pointed to the standards Brackett and his top lieutenants had put in place, collecting information in a coherent fashion and getting as many views in on players as possible.

But after Linden left the club in 2018, Brackett and Benning grew more at odds over the team’s scouting approach, to the point where this season Brackett was offered a two-year extension by Benning but without guarantees over his role, especially in how he could direct scouts and staff his department.

In the end, Brackett didn’t sign the extension and Benning announced in late May that Brackett wouldn’t be returning. The two essentially hadn’t spoken for months at that point.

Benning, whose scouting reputation was a big factor in his original hiring in 2014, indicated after it was announced that Brackett would be leaving he saw himself taking on more duties in directing the department and it is expected assistant general manager John Weisbrod’s voice will grow in influence as well.

Ron Delorme ran the Canucks’ scouting operations from 2000 to 2012 before being reassigned initially to scouting the WHL.

Delorme’s voice is one that Benning is also understood to appreciate — the GM’s highlighting of Delorme’s voice in the decision to draft Elias Pettersson was notable, given that Delorme was really just one of a chorus who were calling for ‘The Alien’ to be drafted. Delorme and Todd Harvey, who has been scouting for just two years, is one of two scouts currently assigned a “cross-checker” role, a scout who moves beyond their assigned territory to give alternative looks on players.

More to come

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by Fred65

[HKSR]

So from what I understand, Brackett was involved heavily in the NCAA/USHS area of scouting.  He likely helped pickup these guys:

 

Brock Boeser, Thatcher Demko, Will Lockwood, Tyler Madden, Jack Rathbone, Adam Gaudette, Aidan Mcdonough

 

It'll hurt us for sure not having him around unless someone else has a keen eye for prospects and takes over that region of scouting.

 

Minny will love the fact they'll be adding US-based prospects to their pool in the near future.