mll Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 51 minutes ago, aGENT said: I'll take a nice covid discounted $5m X 4 years please If they go with a flat cap or a slight cap increase approach it shouldn't change salary demands all that much. It's escrow that is going to increase to align to revenue where players then take less home. Karlsson's contract was discussed in percentage of the cap. Markstrom is also at Newport. A decrease in ask would seem more likely if the cap goes down but they are talking of flat cap and adjusting escrow. Don't think his agent would have him take a lesser percentage of the cap especially with escrow going up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 2 hours ago, mll said: If they go with a flat cap or a slight cap increase approach it shouldn't change salary demands all that much. It's escrow that is going to increase to align to revenue where players then take less home. Karlsson's contract was discussed in percentage of the cap. Markstrom is also at Newport. A decrease in ask would seem more likely if the cap goes down but they are talking of flat cap and adjusting escrow. Don't think his agent would have him take a lesser percentage of the cap especially with escrow going up. I was pegging him at +/-$5.5-$6 before all this (and yes I'm assuming a flat or down cap now). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 16, 2020 Share Posted June 16, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, mll said: If they go with a flat cap or a slight cap increase approach it shouldn't change salary demands all that much. It's escrow that is going to increase to align to revenue where players then take less home. Karlsson's contract was discussed in percentage of the cap. Markstrom is also at Newport. A decrease in ask would seem more likely if the cap goes down but they are talking of flat cap and adjusting escrow. Don't think his agent would have him take a lesser percentage of the cap especially with escrow going up. It does change the demands quite a bit I think because there will be very little money in the system to spend on players for the next couple of years, and a lot of players on expiring contracts. A complete buyers market for players which will drive down prices. we have always had cap increases and contract demands have assumed steady cap increases. You can say Markstrom is worth $5-6 million, but look at the goalie UFAs and then look at the teams who have money to spend on a #1 goalie. I say $5 million is a ceiling now and you don’t have to give him much term at that price. I honestly think there is no way they don’t have an overall salary rollback of some sort. Otherwise, teams with lots of players signed will be hurting compared with teams who can get guys at a discount in the new financial reality for the next 2-3 years. If they just agree on a multi year flat cap, we will be golden. Our two superstars will get signed under the new financially strained reality. Instead of $10+ million per guy in max deals, it would be more like $7.5-8 million. Edited June 16, 2020 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastDave Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, qwijibo said: I don’t understand your insistence on referring to what he’s made so far. He’s been, and still is, paid on the low side of what starting goalies make. NHL careers are short. You make as much as you can while you have a job. you assuming that he’s satisfied with how much he’s made so far and he’s willing to forgo the payday he’s earned seems like homer mentality. False...I never assume that he is satisfied with how much he has made and he is willing to forgo the payday he earned. That is what you are assuming. I expect him to look after his self interest. You brought up the subject of security and I was just commenting on it. As for the homer slight, this is the Vancouver Canucks Official website and most of the visitors are its fans. Go Canucks Go!!! Edited June 17, 2020 by WestCoastDave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 1 hour ago, WestCoastDave said: False...I never assume that he is satisfied with how much he has made and he is willing to forgo the payday he earned. That is what you are assuming. I expect him to look after his self interest. You brought up the subject of security and I was just commenting on it. As for the homer slight, this is the Vancouver Canucks Official website and most of the visitors are its fans. Go Canucks Go!!! When I said security I was referring to a multi-year contract. Knowing he has a guaranteed contract for more than one year. I wasn’t referring to how much money he may have in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Provost said: It does change the demands quite a bit I think because there will be very little money in the system to spend on players for the next couple of years, and a lot of players on expiring contracts. A complete buyers market for players which will drive down prices. we have always had cap increases and contract demands have assumed steady cap increases. You can say Markstrom is worth $5-6 million, but look at the goalie UFAs and then look at the teams who have money to spend on a #1 goalie. I say $5 million is a ceiling now and you don’t have to give him much term at that price. I honestly think there is no way they don’t have an overall salary rollback of some sort. Otherwise, teams with lots of players signed will be hurting compared with teams who can get guys at a discount in the new financial reality for the next 2-3 years. If they just agree on a multi year flat cap, we will be golden. Our two superstars will get signed under the new financially strained reality. Instead of $10+ million per guy in max deals, it would be more like $7.5-8 million. I see what you mean. 10% of the cap today might only be 6-7% of the cap down the road. I am not sure agents of high end players are going to see it that way though. Could see them more trying to argue in percentage of the cap. Will make for an interesting off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 39 minutes ago, mll said: I see what you mean. 10% of the cap today might only be 6-7% of the cap down the road. I am not sure agents of high end players are going to see it that way though. Could see them more trying to argue in percentage of the cap. Will make for an interesting off-season. I think that is the beauty of a hard cap, if there isn’t money leftover, there just isn’t money. Our cap situation is public, the are re know how much money there is, so they can only push on term or dollars. With a negotiated flat cap for 3-4 years and no huge jump expected after that, signing a bridge deal probably doesn’t get them ahead that much. If the players don’t want escrow, even without the pandemic impact It would have taken a couple years for revenue to catch up to the artificially high cap... now who knows. I really think it is all moot because without a rollback it becomes really uneven. A team like Toronto with guys signed to long term $10+ million dollar contracts would be at a huge disadvantage to team like us who can sign our superstars for 25% less. Toronto would be pooched for years. There are a lot of teams already hard against the cap next year with players to get signed... it would be chaos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastDave Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 22 hours ago, qwijibo said: When I said security I was referring to a multi-year contract. Knowing he has a guaranteed contract for more than one year. I wasn’t referring to how much money he may have in the bank. Apparently, we were on different wavelengths. Have a good evening qwijibo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeNiro Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, mll said: 6 million is fine it’s the term and NTC attached that are the issue for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 If signing him means we lose Demko to Seattle then I think we should explore a sign and trade or just let him walk. I really think we will soon regret letting Demko slip away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Brock Botanen said: If signing him means we lose Demko to Seattle then I think we should explore a sign and trade or just let him walk. I really think we will soon regret letting Demko slip away There has never been a sign and trade in the cap era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 id sign markstrom and trade demko at deadline next yr not to worried we have dipietro on the way as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Brock Botanen said: If signing him means we lose Demko to Seattle then I think we should explore a sign and trade or just let him walk. I really think we will soon regret letting Demko slip away Well that’s why a NTC is a no go for me. Let them both play out next season and then see where each one is at. If Markstrom shows that this season was a one off and Demko outplays him, expose him in the expansion draft and keep Demko. Or if Markstrom shows he can be the guy, work out a trade involving Demko at the deadline. The decision shouldn’t be made this summer. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, mll said: This is the issue with signing Myers to 6 million for 6 years. If I am Markstrom I am looking at that and saying I am worth more to this team than Myers. If he is getting 6 million I am getting 6 million. It is still a fair price but I wouldn't go over 4 years. JB will have a hard time justifying giving Markstrom less than 6. Eriksson is an anomaly and Edler got 6 for signing for 2 years but Myers.. That contract does not work well with negotiations. I hope Seattle takes Myers off our hands. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 59 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Well that’s why a NTC is a no go for me. Let them both play out next season and then see where each one is at. If Markstrom shows that this season was a one off and Demko outplays him, expose him in the expansion draft and keep Demko. Or if Markstrom shows he can be the guy, work out a trade involving Demko at the deadline. The decision shouldn’t be made this summer. What if Markstrom won’t sign without some sort of expansion draft protection? (Which I think is likely). The decision will be made this summer. You either commit to Markstrom long term or Demko long term. Any of the top UFA goalies are going to be looking for the same protection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 7 hours ago, mll said: I just don’t think it is going to be that high at all. The financial situation in the league is in a different universe than it was last summer. Last year, agents were already pricing in a big cap increase when the new TV deal kicked in. Now we are facing a multiple year flat cap that could stop new money from being injected into the system for 2-4 years. Even last summer When things were rosy, a comparable goalie in Lehner could only get a 1 year, $5 million contract. The goalie market is way tougher since there are only a few possible landing spots. This year there are a lot of decent UFA goalies and not many teams who can spend on them. Holtby, Lehner, Crawford, Anderson, Markstrom, Howard, Murray, Greiss, Talbot, Khudobin, Elliott, Smith... etc It all adds up to lots of UFAs signing relatively cheap deals since they don’t want to be left without a chair when the music stops. If Markstrom wants $6 million and term, we just have to pivot and go for a lesser guy/older veteran to bridge us to Demko. We don’t have much choice unless we are gifted with some magic cap space. I love Markstrom, but we can’t be overpaying guys for years when we need the cap space. Edited June 19, 2020 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/11/2020 at 8:09 AM, Ghostsof1915 said: Hope is 154 km away from Vancouver. I live beyond hope… 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHL rocks Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 Won't be a very good UFA market so Marky might agree to a 1 year deal. Demko has to be in long term plans.. Marky has been great last year or two but can't sign him to a deal that leaves Demko unprotected for expansion draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EP Phone Home Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 (edited) On 7/12/2020 at 11:17 PM, WHL rocks said: Won't be a very good UFA market so Marky might agree to a 1 year deal. Demko has to be in long term plans.. Marky has been great last year or two but can't sign him to a deal that leaves Demko unprotected for expansion draft. I’m really hoping this is the case with Marky and Tanev. With the cap unable to rise for the following few years, I would believe teams and players will go on shorter deals. And in the Seattle draft’s case like Edler last year, we want to sign them to a deal that will protect them from Seattle. Problem is I’m sure Marky and his agent are hoping for that big contract this off season. Should be some very spicy off season-ing Edited July 15, 2020 by EP Phone Home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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