Are TWO Strategies Required Here?

[Nuxfanabroad]

For all aspirant armchair GM's out there, feel this is a fair question, perhaps encouraging some discussion as we await the start of these summer tilts.

 

A- We flatten the Mild..thus, make PO's. & the Miller trade is fulfilled, opening valves & releasing the building pressure they might have(otherwise) experienced in the 20-21 campaign.

 

B- Somehow are toppled by these Minni-Miscreants. Eegads! & the rigged deck L ensures we win no coveted #1(pick #12 OA, for discussion's sake).

 

We all know, with draft, deals, injuries, buyouts, FA's & the like, Oct developments will be fast & furious.

Does the above^ A & B outcomes decidedly change our Fall course of actions?

With our given set of circumstances, I feel it should.

How greatly would you vary the two? Interested to hear some insights & opinions...

 

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[King Heffy]

Losing likely means Toffoli walks, and anyone not coming back in shape likely gets shopped.  Winning likely sees Benning offer up premium assets as necessary to get LE out of town.

[24K PureCool]

17 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Losing likely means Toffoli walks, and anyone not coming back in shape likely gets shopped.  Winning likely sees Benning offer up premium assets as necessary to get LE out of town.

Sounds like a plan.

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

My two strategies are:

1. Watch the &^@#ing games, and 
2. Watch the &^@#ing games.

[10pavelbure96]

I know there is parity in this league and upsets happen all the time but we should steam roll the wild.

 

The only reason we dropped in the standings was cause of key injuries to Markstrom, Boeser, and I'm pretty sure Tanev was out for a while too? Cant quite remember, it seems so long ago.

 

But mainly before Marky and Brock went down we were hanging at the top of the division with Edmonton and Vegas. And if you take away Fleury and say an equivalent player to Brock, like Pacioretty for example. Or Smith/Koskinen and Nugent Hopkins on the Oil, they would take a hit too.

 

The boys are healthy, a loss to Minnesota would be a huge disappointment. 

[Ballisticsports.]

8 minutes ago, 10pavelbure96 said:

I know there is parity in this league and upsets happen all the time but we should steam roll the wild.

 

The only reason we dropped in the standings was cause of key injuries to Markstrom, Boeser, and I'm pretty sure Tanev was out for a while too? Cant quite remember, it seems so long ago.

 

But mainly before Marky and Brock went down we were hanging at the top of the division with Edmonton and Vegas. And if you take away Fleury and say an equivalent player to Brock, like Pacioretty for example. Or Smith/Koskinen and Nugent Hopkins on the Oil, they would take a hit too.

 

The boys are healthy, a loss to Minnesota would be a huge disappointment. 

TT replaced BB  production but we still were losing because we are to reliant on Marky

That being said, this window in Playin s the team will most likely be stronger and deeper than next years team

[cuporbust]

2 hours ago, 10pavelbure96 said:

I know there is parity in this league and upsets happen all the time but we should steam roll the wild.

 

The only reason we dropped in the standings was cause of key injuries to Markstrom, Boeser, and I'm pretty sure Tanev was out for a while too? Cant quite remember, it seems so long ago.

 

But mainly before Marky and Brock went down we were hanging at the top of the division with Edmonton and Vegas. And if you take away Fleury and say an equivalent player to Brock, like Pacioretty for example. Or Smith/Koskinen and Nugent Hopkins on the Oil, they would take a hit too.

 

The boys are healthy, a loss to Minnesota would be a huge disappointment. 

Easy there killer. We should have steam rolled plenty of teams that have embarrassed us over the years.

 

No Tanev was not out for a while. He missed 2 games all year. They will have their hands full with Minny. Not the worst matchup though . We shall see. 

Edited July 14, 2020 by cuporbust

[Nuxfanabroad]

It's slappin on the paint with broad strokes, but maybe...

 

a, Advance to PO's, next season's outcome is less crucial. Plenty of past rebuilders have staggered winning seasons, with slight setbacks following.

The team will trend towards youth, & lots of roster change will come from within the system. Perhaps 1 prospect would be sacrificed(maybe paired with a vet contract), for cap space, & perhaps an extra acquired 2nd & 3rd..maybe a KL, OJ or even pending RFA thrown in.

 

b, No PO's, for injuries, poor play..whatever reason? They'll try harder to keep all key UFA's. Might even deal this yr's 1st, attempting to shore up the 2020-21 roster. Also could sacrifice a good young player/prospect(or combination) in attempt to beef up the D.

This outcome lends itself to a busier Fall, with moves of greater ambition & magnitude(& more risk)

 

Looking at the Fall moves from a mid-July pov, would say this play-in is a very key moment in the franchise's rebuild. Maybe bigger than most here realize.

Forget that Laf-kid..let's get rolling!

Edited July 14, 2020 by Nuxfanabroad

[Hamhuis Hip Check]

6 hours ago, cuporbust said:

Easy there killer. We should have steam rolled plenty of teams that have embarrassed us over the years.

 

No Tanev was not out for a while. He missed 2 games all year. They will have their hands full with Minny. Not the worst matchup though . We shall see. 

In all fairness i think we all just assume tanev will be out at least 15 games a year, im still a little (pleasantly) surprised he has been so healthy

[6of1_halfdozenofother]

31 minutes ago, Hamhuis Hip Check said:

In all fairness i think we all just assume tanev will be out at least 15 games a year, im still a little (pleasantly) surprised he has been so healthy

Pretty sure that's a function of being paired with our future Norris trophy winner.  

 

Instead of having to cover for the misadventures of whoever his pair du jour used to be, causing him to rush back, contort himself, and block shots - rather, he just needs to be a solid calming presence in the d zone, be available to receive the occasional pass, make some decent outlet passes, maybe rush the puck up ice every now and again to keep the opposition guessing, and the rest of the time watch the kids perform their wizardry.  Much less demanding on the body and much less exposure to potential injury that way. 

[Amebushi]

I feel that a win vs Minnesota means the teams goals were fulfilled. The plan will be basically to stay the course and try to keep as many FA’s as we can while making a little room to get younger. 
A loss is a scary thing for me as between the Miller deal, TT and a Covid shutdown the pressure seems to be amped up. I am concerned about too many sideways moves made to “improve our window”. If this team can’t beat Minnesota (which I don’t think is gonna happen but definitely not outside the realm of possibility) with all hands on deck and well rested I think we are in trouble. Long story short I think the OP is correct. There will definitely be a different approach to next season depending on how this 5 game series works out. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

18 hours ago, King Heffy said:

Losing likely means Toffoli walks, and anyone not coming back in shape likely gets shopped.  Winning likely sees Benning offer up premium assets as necessary to get LE out of town.

This'll be interesting, KH. Kinda see the opposite occurring. If their 1st is on the line next season, suspect JB will dbl down with the vets & integrate youth more gradually.

 

Everyone will be flogging 3-5 mill(ish) underperformers this Fall, & there'll be just a few choosy shoppers who scavenge through the marketplace mark-downs.

[The Colt 45s]

On 7/14/2020 at 4:01 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

This'll be interesting, KH. Kinda see the opposite occurring. If their 1st is on the line next season, suspect JB will dbl down with the vets & integrate youth more gradually.

 

Everyone will be flogging 3-5 mill(ish) underperformers this Fall, & there'll be just a few choosy shoppers who scavenge through the marketplace mark-downs.

You speak the truth. If you want to stay and win with the Canucks, you will have to take a discount to stay.  Actually, you want to stay in the NHL, you will need to take a discount.  This could help the Canucks if we have players who are sold into doing what we are doing here.  It reminds me of the days Kesler and Burrows and the Sedins took less because they wanted to win.  Will this happen again?

[Toyotasfan]

Can’t imagine Tanev playing somewhere else, but I think he’s the first cap casualty unless someone miraculously takes a bad contract or two from us .

Eriksson , Sutter, Baertschi, Beagle. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

Say we surprised & went deep(perhaps lose 3rd rd, in 6 or 7)..sure would be easier to sell excess contracts.

 

If it's too expensive(considering prospect/pick add-ins) to sell vets, wonder how many buy outs they'll opt for?

[IBatch]

On 7/13/2020 at 10:07 PM, King Heffy said:

Losing likely means Toffoli walks, and anyone not coming back in shape likely gets shopped.  Winning likely sees Benning offer up premium assets as necessary to get LE out of town.

Winning likely means his veterans on one year deals stock goes  up - the further we go the higher their stock goes.   Best case scenario for this team to unload a couple of contracts in a way that aren’t going to sacrifice some of the future.   If Sutter is a beast - or Roussel a pest-beast ... Pearson too.    If we win a cup then nobody cares what happens next as mission accomplished ha ha. 

[IBatch]

On 7/18/2020 at 7:04 PM, Nuxfanabroad said:

Say we surprised & went deep(perhaps lose 3rd rd, in 6 or 7)..sure would be easier to sell excess contracts.

 

If it's too expensive(considering prospect/pick add-ins) to sell vets, wonder how many buy outs they'll opt for?

Ok didn’t see this ... yes exactly.   The further we go the better our chances of unloading a contract or two without any consequence to our future.   Believe your right that we’d have to get to the 3rd round  - and hope that Sutter and Roussel or Beagle are big reasons for that (which they’d almost have to be).   Heck who knows maybe LE too. 

[Nuxfanabroad]

On 7/24/2020 at 10:11 PM, IBatch said:

Ok didn’t see this ... yes exactly.   The further we go the better our chances of unloading a contract or two without any consequence to our future.   Believe your right that we’d have to get to the 3rd round  - and hope that Sutter and Roussel or Beagle are big reasons for that (which they’d almost have to be).   Heck who knows maybe LE too. 

Gonna be very tough to sell contracts(around 3 mill+) this off-season. Four or five eastern teams(with lots of space) will have their phones ringing off the hook.

 

Then you have to wonder how many teams will entertain the notion of buyouts? With the COVID-downturn, how many rich owners will flush $ down the loo?

 

If there's a long run for Van, one can imagine the appeal of a vet/youth, (that is, stronger prospect) pkg. I'm guessing our prospects must be gaining value, as a comparatively stronger currency(vs many other team's youngins'). Rival GM's must be also contemplating whether there are more worthwhile gems in JB/Brackett's stash of mid-to-later selections. I'd prefer we sell some(overflow/excess) in prospects, saving our picks when it's possible.

Edited August 4, 2020 by Nuxfanabroad

[Nuxfanabroad]

Markstrom HAS to be the guy that we saw from Oct-Feb.  That first goal yesterday was a back-breaker. We go nowhere, if he's not in top form.

 

He bounces back & we win series? Sign the man, pronto. 5 yrs x 5.5 mill

 

More games like yesterday, & we lose out? Offer him 4 yrs x 5.1 mill. Go with Demko & a FA, if he's not agreeable.

 

 

****************This series makes his contract simple*******************

[UKNuck96]

8 hours ago, Nuxfanabroad said:

Markstrom HAS to be the guy that we saw from Oct-Feb.  That first goal yesterday was a back-breaker. We go nowhere, if he's not in top form.

 

He bounces back & we win series? Sign the man, pronto. 5 yrs x 5.5 mill

 

More games like yesterday, & we lose out? Offer him 4 yrs x 5.1 mill. Go with Demko & a FA, if he's not agreeable.

 

 

****************This series makes his contract simple*******************

Anyway to dump them both along with Eriksson maybe clear of few others At D out as well to create space and look to get Hart, Work a deal with Tryamkin to return at the end of the KHL season (looked like they both want a deal row work so make it happen) bring rathbone up. If Virtanen is in the dog house and green is staying ship him out as a way of getting some decent D back as well.

 

tbh all that is fantasy hockey and not going to happen.

 

i think though that if we lose and we win the lottery (doubtful) then it may be a case of clearing out some of the older and filler players getting a tad bit younger with a view of being a very strong team in a couple of seasons and having cap space to leverage trades because of Seattle. 
 

If we lose and don’t win the lottery i hope we still look to promote some of the D prospects we have and make a decision on Marky/Demko - we don’t want a situation like Schneider/Luongo where we have a lot of cap tied up in goal and ultimately end up with neither when we could ship one out earlier to allow the team to be better overall. 

if we win - things get a little more complicated. I think because of cap constraints we will be forced to trade, let walk a few of the older players even if it means a slight hit in next seasons overall performance, but should in the long term make us more competitive 

 

Edited August 4, 2020 by UKNuck96