Matt Dumba first NHL player to take a knee

[King Heffy]

1 minute ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Are you incapable of posting without snark? If you're implying America all around has turned to $&!#, I completely agree.

 

 

I agree up to here, as I already posted.  However, what's made America a joke is electing a known bigot who is attempting to make racism acceptable and stifling free speech when people say enough is enough.  You're clearly someone's dupe who made an account to troll, so I'm going to stop wasting my time with someone who is clearly delusional and get back to the game. 

[bishopshodan]

20 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

More liberal snark. As I said earlier, the entire BLM 'systemic white supremacy' narrative is btfo'd by FBI crime stats and basic critical thinking. It doesn't take a 'rabbit hole conspiracy theory' to debunk BLM's narratives.

 

BLM is just such a fake, corporate elite funded and driven forced movement that uses black people to shift the blame entirely on white people for their own struggles. If blacks are actually serious about black advocacy, they should join the Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers, two groups that I have absolutely no problem with and actually encourage blacks to join. BLM is for white Starbucks liberals seeking to virtual signal about how 'cultured' they are.

 

Reptilians and Q are obviously bull$&!# and anyone with an IQ over 100 understands that. Pedos in power are very real. Like, you have Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislane Maxwell as his pusher setting up very high level people with children to sexually abuse, and you have many women coming out and describing their trauma, and for some reason you want to defend the pedos because it lends itself to some 'right wing conspiracy'? Like, I understand you have your whole liberal, capitalist, global agenda to push bro, but I don't know how anyone could even stoop that low.

I also agree that the videos of the black conservatives are cringe. Why don't you just do your research into FBI crime stats yourself? Skip the black grifter videos and see the statistics for yourself. 

I think your response is very good. Thank you.

I liked most of it except the twist to line me up with supporting pedos.

 

Your user name and avatar inspired me to have some fun. 

 

 

 

[Dumb Nuck]

1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

interesting. I would never have had that reaction to this. All I'm hearing is that people would like equal treatment under the law, not to change it. I don't read into this at all anyone trying to tear down anything but intolerance. 

 

That’s not how the leader of BLM feels.

 

If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it," said Hawk Newsome, chairman of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, during an interview with Fox News.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-well-burn-system-down-if-us-wont-give-us-what-we-want-1513422

Edited August 2, 2020 by Dumb Nuck

[Dumb Nuck]

This thread and the reactions are the exact reason The NHL shouldn’t have brought this into the broadcast, I watch hockey for entertainment and to get away will all the crap going on in the world.

Edited August 2, 2020 by Dumb Nuck

[bishopshodan]

4 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

America has been a joke for 80 years now. You clearly are not aware of life in America prior to 2016 if you think things were fine and dandy before then. Whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton were elected, the country would still be on the same steep decline either way. If Donald Trump was actually the 'fascist/authoritarian' you think he is, do you really think there would still be mass riots and Seattle making waves to disband the police department? Would Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube etc be able to ban dissident thought for private political reasons? Would you be able to go on the mainstream media and absolutely rip him to shreds? 

 

If Trump was the 'monster' people like you think he is, things would be VERY different. The fact that ANTIFA and violent rioters aren't prosecuted en masse while right wing groups like RAM and the Proud Boys are given the books in the courts for 'conspiracy to riot' charges should prove to you that all Trump is, is a neocon with a big mouth. 

 

What's made 'racism acceptable' is human nature. Blacks want their people in power. Hispanics want their people in power. Asians want their people in power. Whites are actually the least 'racist' people in America comparatively. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting your people to have the best advantages possible. I completely encourage black advocacy, and all forms of racial advocacy because I actually understand how the world works. I don't try to force a universalist neoliberal system that will never, ever work. It only works for elites that want the racial tension to boil over and people to get killed, which is what is happening as we speak. People like you just feed into it.

You are not aware we are living in a simulation. 

 

That's not even a blue/red pill joke for me. The way we, the observers, want the world to go is the way it will go. That's just the quantum reality. 

[Shift-4]

First?

No, not the first.

Lots of players took a knee when Marchment was still playing. 

[RWMc1]

1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Perhaps I’m ignorant because I’m Swedish, but what does Black Lives Matter have to do with the National Anthem?  Is the National Anthem racist?  If so why don’t they change it?  I’ve read the Star Spangled Banner, what words in the anthem inspire racism?  Also, there were two black hockey players beside Dumba who were standing while he was kneeling.  So those black players don’t believe there is racism?  Really confusing.  

 

Also, isn’t there other avenues to express racism and get people’s attention besides sporting events and kneeling for an anthem that basically has nothing to do with racism?  This whole kneeling thing was actually started by Colin Kapernick, a guy who was raised by white parents in a white neighbourhood who played a game where he made millions of dollars and was sponsored by a company (Nike) who hires slaves in China to make their shoes for 20 cents an hour. Not the greatest role model for racism if you ask me.  

They're not protesting the anthem. They are using it as a platform to continue to demand change. The other players are standing in solidarity with Dumba.

 

trump and his racist backers forced the NFL to ban peaceful protests under the guise of patriotism; free speech be damned. After a racist cop executed another black man in plain sight, people had enough and demanded change. Some of the protests turned violent,(some intentionally) and the racists asked "Why can't they protest peacefully?"

 

You don't get to decide who gets to speak out against racism!!! The alt-right want it to go away as it used to do, thus the deflections I suppose.

[Hairy Kneel]

I think this is a great gesture for the NHL to allow.  The black players of the NHL making a statement in support against police violence, and calling for increased police accountability.  That police guy kneeling on the black guy for almost 9 minutes was brutal.

Racists have to be taken out of the police force. Killer cops need to be charged and held accountable. 

Of not sports where?

 

[Kevin Biestra]

7 minutes ago, Hairy Kneel said:

I think this is a great gesture for the NHL to allow.  The black players of the NHL making a statement in support against police violence, and calling for increased police accountability.  That police guy kneeling on the black guy for almost 9 minutes was brutal.

Racists have to be taken out of the police force. Killer cops need to be charged and held accountable. 

Of not sports where?

 

Derek Chauvin was charged almost immediately for Floyd's death.

[JM_]

1 hour ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

The thing is that in both countries there is equal treatment under the law, at least in the letter of the law.  If anything, whites and/or white men would be occasionally disadvantaged by the letter of the law.

 

For a variety of reasons, some of which get discussed and some of which don't, actual results in society in a number of measures are not equal across the board on all metrics.  There is debate to be had on what needs to be addressed and how to address it.  Some suggestions are reasonable and some are pretty far out there, to put things charitably.

 

There is also some serious debate to be had about the methodology to use for implementing change.  This, in particular might surprise a good number of people...

 

From another reasonably popular black commentator.

 

 

 

yeah... fish ain't biting today.

 

 

[JM_]

25 minutes ago, Dumb Nuck said:

That’s not how the leader of BLM feels.

 

If this country doesn't give us what we want, then we will burn down this system and replace it," said Hawk Newsome, chairman of Black Lives Matter of Greater New York, during an interview with Fox News.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/blm-leader-well-burn-system-down-if-us-wont-give-us-what-we-want-1513422

maybe he comes by that feeling honestly. 

[Kevin Biestra]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

 

yeah... fish ain't biting today.

 

 

 

Suit yourself.  It is a clip of the woman saying as much in her own words, with a black man giving his elaboration and analysis.  Like I said earlier, most people don't want to hear it.  They'd rather pat themselves on the back for not being a racist.

[JM_]

Just now, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Suit yourself.  It is a clip of the woman saying as much in her own words, with a black man giving his elaboration and analysis.  Like I said earlier, most people don't want to hear it.  They'd rather pat themselves on the back for not being a racist.

random youtube clips aren't evidence of anything but one persons opinion. 

[Kevin Biestra]

Just now, Jimmy McGill said:

random youtube clips aren't evidence of anything but one persons opinion. 

 

It is a clip of the founder of BLM saying they are trained Marxists herself.

[JM_]

Just now, Kevin Biestra said:

 

It is a clip of the founder of BLM saying they are trained Marxists herself.

so what? I don't care for alt-right politics either, but everyone has a right to their opinion. 

[KelownaCanucksFan]

3 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Well, if you're at all interested in hearing a few black voices on what you've said...  I don't really expect anyone to watch them, but these are four fairly popular black voices / commentators if anyone is interested.

 

 

 

 

 

Could also add Tommy Sotomayor to that list, and Thomas Sowell. blm is a Marxist organization hell bent on destroying the west. This racist narrative comes up every election year, it’s manufactured to bring out the vote for the democrats, even though they are the racist ones with their bigotry of low expectations for black people, everywhere that’s been run by democrats For 30+ years there’s massive black poverty rates.
 

Watch how this black man describes everything wrong with blm with facts and logic. 

https://youtu.be/aNsUsF_Rymo

[RWMc1]

There needs to be balance to hatred like in this "phony" video. warning language

 

Edited August 2, 2020 by RWMc1

[Kevin Biestra]

2 minutes ago, KelownaCanucksFan said:

Could also add Tommy Sotomayor to that list, and Thomas Sowell. blm is a Marxist organization hell bent on destroying the west. This racist narrative comes up every election year, it’s manufactured to bring out the vote for the democrats, even though they are the racist ones with their bigotry of low expectations for black people, everywhere that’s been run by democrats For 30+ years there’s massive black poverty rates.
 

Watch how this black man describes everything wrong with blm with facts and logic. 

https://youtu.be/aNsUsF_Rymo

 

Yeah everybody became so concerned about making sure everybody knows they're not a racist that some of them forgot how to not be a racist.

[Undrafted]

3 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

What specifically is decades overdue?

 

It is really easy to pretend any given issue is worse than it is in order to appear to be a bigger hero for being on the right side of it.  People are a lot more concerned right now about making displays about how much they aren't a racist than they are concerned about not being a racist.  Which is why you have white protestors calling black cops racial slurs and thinking they are righteous for doing so.

 

So if something is overdue, or a particular aspect of a particular issue needs addressing or rectification, then I am all ears, but state what specifically and back up the assertion.

What's decades overdue is the recognition that the problem even exists, recognition that there is systemic racism that's deeply ingrained in our society and it's time to stop, especially when it comes to policing.  For decades, racism in general has been swept under the rug and political correctness has been one of the biggest rugs they've used to sweep things away. 

I know because I'm almost 60 years old and I've seen and experienced it first-hand; I've seen how little REAL change there's been since the 70s when it comes to race relations.  Nothing makes me madder than hearing a white man tell me, a black man, that there is no racism.  And in Canada, a LOT of people believe that and they're WRONG.  Sure, it's not as bad as in the US (and again, I know what that's like from experience), but that's a really low bar to compare ourselves to.

 

And when it comes to police, it's time for the good cops to stop shielding the bad ones because of the "thin blue line".  No more of being allowed to refuse to answer to investigations of misconduct or handing over their notes.  No more cops or ex-cops investigating other cops.

[KelownaCanucksFan]

3 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

The problem I have with 'black conservatives' like these people is that they don't really know the root of the problem with BLM. There's nothing wrong with blacks advocating for themselves. There's nothing wrong with being racially conscious and standing with your people when you feel you've been abused by the system. They will equate a fake, corporate funded, artificial organisation like BLM with genuine revolutionary black organisations like Nation of Islam and the Black Panthers. They're far from being the same. 

 

You're not going to convince white liberals with a distinct out group preference either way, but you're especially not going to convince them with the 'democrats are the real racists' schtick, which is obviously ridiculous. I'd agree, though, that elites have hurt black people immensely. But, on the same token, they hurt normal white people just as much, if not more. It is not a 'white supremacy' issue. Name one 'white supremacist' with a modicum of power alive today in the west. Trump is like a puppy dog compared to even a "US approved" leader like Pinochet or Duterte. 

Arguing with a liberal lefty is like playing chess with a pigeon they crap on the board, knock a few pieces over then struts around as if it won.