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[RWMc1]

3 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Do racially conscious Christian whites in the Bible Belt have any power in America? Even if you scour the reaches of the Republican party, it'd be a challenge to find anyone with an Alt Right belief system, and the ones that are close, like Roy Moore, end up getting ousted pretty quickly.

 

Go to an overwhelmingly black, low income neighbourhood and hold up a 'white lives matter' sign. You would get similar results. 

 racially conscious Christian whites  Give me a break That says it all about you. Most of those poor hard done by whites are members of the KKK.

[Undrafted]

1 hour ago, VancouverHabitant said:

How do you feel about non-black people being often the most vocal and getting in front of the BLM movement? 

I don't have a problem with it, as long as they don't presume to speak for black people.  And remember, in Canada, First Nations people are treated just as badly, possibly worse, from what I hear; so it's not just a BLM or even a black thing.  And I personally know Asians with their own stories about racism of a different kind.  When there is injustice in society, all of decent people should object to it.

[CBH1926]

54 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

America has been a joke for 80 years now. You clearly are not aware of life in America prior to 2016 if you think things were fine and dandy before then. Whether Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton were elected, the country would still be on the same steep decline either way. If Donald Trump was actually the 'fascist/authoritarian' you think he is, do you really think there would still be mass riots and Seattle making waves to disband the police department? Would Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, Youtube etc be able to ban dissident thought for private political reasons? Would you be able to go on the mainstream media and absolutely rip him to shreds? 

 

If Trump was the 'monster' people like you think he is, things would be VERY different. The fact that ANTIFA and violent rioters aren't prosecuted en masse while right wing groups like RAM and the Proud Boys are given the books in the courts for 'conspiracy to riot' charges should prove to you that all Trump is, is a neocon with a big mouth. 

 

What's made 'racism acceptable' is human nature. Blacks want their people in power. Hispanics want their people in power. Asians want their people in power. Whites are actually the least 'racist' people in America comparatively. I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting your people to have the best advantages possible. I completely encourage black advocacy, and all forms of racial advocacy because I actually understand how the world works. I don't try to force a universalist neoliberal system that will never, ever work. It only works for elites that want the racial tension to boil over and people to get killed, which is what is happening as we speak. People like you just feed into it.

Yeah, if only Germans have won WW2, we wouldn’t be having these types of problems.

[Hairy Kneel]

Blah blah blah all the mouth breathing rhetoric,  I'm ok with the league and reaching out.

[RWMc1]

28 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Most all black people in BLM are genuine imo. They have genuine love for their own and don't want to see their people abused. I completely get that.

 

The blacks in BLM have just been taken advantage of by elites and virtue signalling white liberals who don't actually care about black advocacy. They only care about it to pit them against a phony 'white supremacist' beast. 

 

This is why I encourage blacks to join Nation of Islam or the Black Panthers instead. They are groups that are actually revolutionary and not funded by loads of virtue signalling, greedy corporate elites. I would feel gross as a black person being a part of an organisation that takes advantage of me and uses me for its own gain.

More ridiculous slants! You encourage blacks to join organizations of your choosing? Holy crap!!! No entitlement there!

 

Do you think that every person who is involved with black lives matter pledged allegiance to the founders. If not then your entire premise is flawed. They don't carry cards or pay dues. They are mostly the genuine people you are referring to. Dismissing all of them because of the views of a few. That's what's really happening.

[RWMc1]

8 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Bro, if you're going to link that video, at least knowledge the cherry picking. You go into a town prominent for KKK members. You hold up a provocative sign that will obviously get negative reactions so you can get publicity for your video. You reap the monetisation and you get rich. 

 

If you did the same thing with a white lives matter sign in a predominantly black town with a history of Black Panthers gathering there, do you not think you'd get vitriol? Hell, you'd probably get maimed, if not killed, much less verbally abused. 

 

It's just such a dishonest tactic that I'm not at all surprised was pulled out in order to push anti-white bs.

Bro, you're pretending like people like that don't exist. I supplied evidence that was bullcrap!!!

 

There are far more communities like that in America than communities where Black Panthers gathered. That video is not an anomaly. Things like that happen with regularity.

 

It's not anti-white bs.

 It's anti hate filled scumbag bs.

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[Kevin Biestra]

26 minutes ago, Undrafted said:

What's decades overdue is the recognition that the problem even exists, recognition that there is systemic racism that's deeply ingrained in our society and it's time to stop, especially when it comes to policing.  For decades, racism in general has been swept under the rug and political correctness has been one of the biggest rugs they've used to sweep things away. 

I know because I'm almost 60 years old and I've seen and experienced it first-hand; I've seen how little REAL change there's been since the 70s when it comes to race relations.  Nothing makes me madder than hearing a white man tell me, a black man, that there is no racism.  And in Canada, a LOT of people believe that and they're WRONG.  Sure, it's not as bad as in the US (and again, I know what that's like from experience), but that's a really low bar to compare ourselves to.

 

And when it comes to police, it's time for the good cops to stop shielding the bad ones because of the "thin blue line".  No more of being allowed to refuse to answer to investigations of misconduct or handing over their notes.  No more cops or ex-cops investigating other cops.

 

America is not a low bar.  It is a very high bar and that bar has been raised over many decades by the hard work, inspired thought and sacrifice of many, many people.  If you think America is a low bar, I would be forced to ask if you have spent substantial time on any continent other than North America, Europe or Australia.

 

People do not flee the United States and Canada in the hope of a more equitable, free, prosperous and safe society elsewhere.  They flee to Canada and the United States for these things.  The places they flee from are the low bar.

 

I can respond to some of the rest of your post if you wish, but I think mischaracterizing two rather laudable nations in this manner is the pressing point.  They are a low bar in comparison to perfection.  In comparison to what has actually been achieved elsewhere in the world, both presently and in human history...calling them a poor achievement is just not realistic in my opinion.

 

[Toews]

1 hour ago, Honks in Darkness said:

I also love how you bring up the South in a complete deflection from the topic at hand, which is alleged systemic bias against blacks. Of course there are many places where racial unrest is prevalent. When you try to force two people together who historically, for many different reasons, have never gotten along in blacks and whites, there's always going to be racial tension. Trying to hide from that fact is for brainless conservatives like Ben Shapiro or the like. There are ways of remedying it which I'm not going to get into here, but this is not the topic we're discussing.

 

[Kevin Biestra]

5 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Eh, I don't think you're completely on point here. America increasingly sucks for white, black (American blacks), multiple generation hispanics and native Americans; people with an actual claim to the lands. It is amazing for non-white immigrants such as Indians, Arabs and the Chinese who can come in and take advantage of affirmative action quotas and global corporations looking to save a buck on H1B workers. America has increasingly turned into a global shopping mall of sorts. It really is just another place to go shopping. It's not a nation anymore. The only sacred things are the first and second amendments, and even they are being encroached on heavily (with incoherent, ineffective push back from so called 'conservatives', by the way). 

 

Conservatives have a habit of trying to paint America as this great place that is so superior to anywhere else. It used to be a strong nation to be proud of. No longer. Multiculturalism and global capital have been the root causes of the degradation, and it's only going to get worse as we head towards collapse.

 

Yet where on the earth that we actually occupy do you wish to go instead if you want superior protection from what your neighbor or government could do to you if you caught them on a bad day?

[CBH1926]

3 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Eh, I don't think you're completely on point here. America increasingly sucks for white, black (American blacks), multiple generation hispanics and native Americans; people with an actual claim to the lands. It is amazing for non-white immigrants such as Indians, Arabs and the Chinese who can come in and take advantage of affirmative action quotas and global corporations looking to save a buck on H1B workers. America has increasingly turned into a global shopping mall of sorts. It really is just another place to go shopping. It's not a nation anymore. The only sacred things are the first and second amendments, and even they are being encroached on heavily (with incoherent, ineffective push back from so called 'conservatives', by the way). 

 

Conservatives have a habit of trying to paint America as this great place that is so superior to anywhere else. It used to be a strong nation to be proud of. No longer. Multiculturalism and global capital have been the root causes of the degradation, and it's only going to get worse as we head towards collapse.

 

 

Just like America was great for millions of Europeans when they immigrated, now it’s amazing for other races and nations.
Unless of course you think that America was amazing when it was strictly WASP dominated.

 

[RWMc1]

1 hour ago, Honks in Darkness said:

The elites are already destroying you. They're not going to come to your house and take your guns yet, or Waco you cause you believe in individual liberty and free expression. They do it through media. They corrupt your childrens' brains with garbage through entertainment, social media, academia etc. They make the populace more reliant on consumer products and addicted to vices such as pornography, vidya, Netflix, and tragically, even opioid and other illicit drug addiction that completely destroys communities. 

 

You can have the most massive gun collection in the world. You can build a big wall on your property line and put heat seeking turrets on top of them. It's not going to matter. You will eventually be destroyed. If not you, your neighbours. Ones you love. They will turn against you because the media told them you were a 'dangerous white supremacist'. They will 'literally Hitler' you until you are outcasted and eventually off yourself.

 

People have turned from God, honour, moral decency, and traditional lifestyles toward unnatural, destructive, gluttonous ones that actively destroy them. All from manipulation by elites. Your 'muh guns' aren't going to protect you and the ones you love from spiritual and cultural decay. It takes people like me to say something about it rather than try to put band aids over very real issues of our times.

 

 

You're just another sheep.

 

What they're really doing is playing both sides against the middle. Right wingers like to reference this video but never consider the idea that they've also been played in the same way. He even lays out exactly how they'll do it. It's been many years since then, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that they intentionally widened the gap between Americans using the same method but with opposite views to eventually undermine America and maybe even start a civil war.

 

 

 

[RWMc1]

2 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

I am so far from a traditional 'right winger'. I'd hope you can see that in my comments, but clearly not. Calling me a 'sheep' when I've been calling out these same conservative outlets (like Breitbart, Fox News) and the people that follow them as being brainwashed as well is a 'literal what' level rebuttal. 

 

I'm quite aware of Yuri Bezmenov. Lots of conservatives get it wrong, for sure. I'm not a conservative. 

 

What you're not allowed to talk about, are things I've talked about in this thread. Who you're not allowed to criticize, are people I actively criticize. Who you're condemned for speaking in support of, are people I support. 

 

There would be zero racial tension with zero multiculturalism. Multiculturalism is a lie. A deception. Ignoring tragic, natural realities to paint the picture of a functional, multicultural society while people suffer because of it is cruel. 

 

I respect people like Malcolm X immensely. He got it. He understood what was going on, and spoke out about it. Much of Nation of Islam is spot on about the problems facing blacks and how to remedy them. Similarly, organisations like American Renaissance are spot on when talking about problems facing white people in America. The elites are purposely:
 

A: Forcing us to live together by the barrel of a gun.

 

B: Condemning and destroying us as 'evil racists' or in the black case 'Uncle Toms' if we don't conform to their agenda.

 

 

I find the opposite to be true. I've gotten to know people from all around the world and most of them are decent hard working people. No one forced me to interact with them. My understanding of other cultures has grown and I have  good friends as a result of being open and accepting. It's the closed minded that have trouble interacting with people they perceive as different.

 

I guess if blacks weren't kidnapped brought to America and forced to serve whites then we wouldn't have to live together.

 

The only ones being condemned are the ones who abuse their power and harm others and obvious hate filled people. Destroying? Give me a break!!

 

The part about Yuri Bezmenov. went right over your head. That methodology has created polar opposites and even though you claim not to be one, you are obviously on one side of the fence.

 

 

[KelownaCanucksFan]

2 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

America is not a low bar.  It is a very high bar and that bar has been raised over many decades by the hard work, inspired thought and sacrifice of many, many people.  If you think America is a low bar, I would be forced to ask if you have spent substantial time on any continent other than North America, Europe or Australia.

 

People do not flee the United States and Canada in the hope of a more equitable, free, prosperous and safe society elsewhere.  They flee to Canada and the United States for these things.  The places they flee from are the low bar.

 

I can respond to some of the rest of your post if you wish, but I think mischaracterizing two rather laudable nations in this manner is the pressing point.  They are a low bar in comparison to perfection.  In comparison to what has actually been achieved elsewhere in the world, both presently and in human history...calling them a poor achievement is just not realistic in my opinion.

 

[Lancaster]

Making a political statement is only part of "helping".  The real change comes from gathering grassroot support on issues and actually voting in all elections from municipal to all the way to federal.  

Some celebrities or athletes don't even go out to vote, yet act all "woke".  It makes you wonder what is their real purpose.  

[RWMc1]

2 minutes ago, Honks in Darkness said:

I have much more in common with your average person living in Cambodia, or Caracas, than I do with a white liberal. I have traveled many times before. It has only CEMENTED my belief system. Do you think people from around the world are universalist, big city, urbanite liberals who believe in 'equality' and morally bankrupt social agendas? No. They are hard working, decent people. Whatever economic advantages they have in America they lose so badly socially, spiritually, culturally etc. They actually have cultures around the world that they are proud of. They are nationalistic. They love their own people. They don't celebrate while outsiders profit off of the backs of their people. 

 

I can get along with any race, but I'm not going to shoehorn myself in as their 'defender' obnoxiously. That's just creepy and most non-white people react negatively to white liberals that try to do this. I can tell you, from the words of non-whites I've talked to about politics, they can respect me much more than a white liberal or conservative. I'm actually honest. Advocating for the survival of your own people, its history and your posterity are all things that people around the world are used to and understand.

 

You seem to be the coddled, shelled in American/Canadian to me. You really don't understand non-whites at all. You understand urbanised, higher class non-whites that sacrificed living in their homelands, with their own culture, and among their own people for a place to make more money. You have no idea how average people, who are often too poor to even think about moving to a place like America or Canada, think or act. Don't act like you do. The cool and hip blue haired Filipino woman you meet at Starbucks is not a representative of the average person in the Philippines.

 

>The only ones being condemned are the ones who abuse their power and harm others and obvious hate filled people.

 

So, neoliberal and neocon elites in government, finance, big business, the entertainment industry, etc? I wish that were true, but it isn't. The only people actually speaking out against these people are people like me. You have fallen for their bait hook, line and sinker, clearly. 

 

 

You know nothing of me or who I've known or what I've endured. You seem to base your opinions off of your own assumptions. You're exactly the same as most in that regard. You just act like you're different  but you're not.

[RWMc1]

1 minute ago, Honks in Darkness said:

Cope and seethe.

You as well.

[KelownaCanucksFan]

From the National Museum of African American History & Culture:

 

this poster implies that non-white people can’t follow schedules, follow the law, work hard, nor have family structures. It’s terribly ironic that those claiming to be the most against racism are the ones being the most racist

[RWMc1]

4 hours ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

Derek Chauvin was charged almost immediately for Floyd's death.

Being charged is meaningless if the charges are dropped or changed at a later date as has happened numerous times in the past. Many killer cops have been charged in the past only to walk free, some with back pay. That's why it's important to not let it fade away like every other time.

 

I hope more athletes show solidarity. Who gives a crap if it hurts the petty feelings of alt right racists.

[Toews]

9 hours ago, Honks in Darkness said:

This was the speech Malcolm X made in 1963, this was back when he was still part of the NOI (Nation of Islam) and still a supporter of Elijah Muhammad and his belief that blacks and whites could not co-exist together and needed to be separated. Malcolm saw the power of multiculturalism when he visited Mecca, when he saw worshipers of different background, cultures etc. When those same people treated him with respect and did not hold him being black against him, it was his hope for what America could be. Its not surprising that neo-Nazis, white supremacists, ethnocentric nationalists love to quote Malcolm X from his time with the NOI, they were big fans of him when he was preaching separation. But it seems they don't like to quote him after he changed his stance, then he became a threat just like the rest of the black people they hated, trying to carve out a place for himself and his own in white America.

[Toews]

7 hours ago, Honks in Darkness said:

I have much more in common with your average person living in Cambodia, or Caracas, than I do with a white liberal. I have traveled many times before. It has only CEMENTED my belief system. Do you think people from around the world are universalist, big city, urbanite liberals who believe in 'equality' and morally bankrupt social agendas? No. They are hard working, decent people. Whatever economic advantages they have in America they lose so badly socially, spiritually, culturally etc. They actually have cultures around the world that they are proud of. They are nationalistic. They love their own people. They don't celebrate while outsiders profit off of the backs of their people. 

I have done quite a bit of travelling and living abroad. The average person in this world lives in abject poverty, with inability to access higher education. Most also live in homogenized places and often never leave those places to explore the world. They are doomed to a miserable existence without the ability to comprehend their situation and put it into context. You have literally zero in common with these people. Their ignorance actually has a justification. Your's does not.

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I can get along with any race, but I'm not going to shoehorn myself in as their 'defender' obnoxiously. That's just creepy and most non-white people react negatively to white liberals that try to do this. I can tell you, from the words of non-whites I've talked to about politics, they can respect me much more than a white liberal or conservative. I'm actually honest. Advocating for the survival of your own people, its history and your posterity are all things that people around the world are used to and understand.

I have never seen any non-white person react negatively when a white person becomes a 'defender' especially with it comes to racism and discrimination. Its only when people start to see themselves as the 'saviour' that people react negatively. Also no one cares who you have spoken to, stop trying to reinforce your views by saying that non-whites share them as well. 

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You seem to be the coddled, shelled in American/Canadian to me. You really don't understand non-whites at all. You understand urbanised, higher class non-whites that sacrificed living in their homelands, with their own culture, and among their own people for a place to make more money. You have no idea how average people, who are often too poor to even think about moving to a place like America or Canada, think or act. Don't act like you do. The cool and hip blue haired Filipino woman you meet at Starbucks is not a representative of the average person in the Philippines.

You really don't have a higher understanding of non-whites or their culture. For one there are so many different people from different cultures out there in this world. Having spent considerable amount of time outside NA, living abroad (not just visiting), I have barely scratched the surface as far as my understanding of different cultures. Not sure if this is arrogance or racism, probably a bit of both. 

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>The only ones being condemned are the ones who abuse their power and harm others and obvious hate filled people.

 

So, neoliberal and neocon elites in government, finance, big business, the entertainment industry, etc? I wish that were true they were being actively condemned, but it isn't. The only people actually speaking out against these people are people like me. You have fallen for their bait hook, line and sinker, clearly. 

Speaking out of both sides of your mouth, you mean. If you were against racism you wouldn't be championing the idea that people of different cultures cannot co-exist together.

Edited August 2, 2020 by Toews