komodo0921 Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 This proposal mainly stems from my belief that we now have two premiere defenders who will be providing offense in great amounts in Hughes and Rathbone. With big offense comes big paydays and I have little doubt that Rathbone could be in a high cap bracket. I am also predicting Ferland will be on the LTIR list or will be done for good (unfortunately), saving us his cap space. We have Tanev working well with Hughes and now need a right side match for Rathbone. Enter Erik Cernak. A physical defensive specialist who has really come into his own with the Bolts. The Lightning, like the Canucks, have cap problems coming. Both Sergachev and Cirelli will be needing raises, Vasilevsky's 9.5 million dollar contract kicks in, and they will have a whole host of ufa spots to fill. According to capfriendly, Tampa will have just over 5.3 million in capspace this year leaving them in a dire situation. Many have us in the same boat but I contend that some of our current rfa's may be of less importance then theirs. I am quite confident that his ceiling will be 10-20 points and will be most valued as the physical, defensive, complimentary defender. Him getting 15-20 points would be considered a bonus. 4 x 4.2 Compensation would be our 2021 2nd round pick. I think we get great value here. This contract would be very desirable by Cernak's camp as it takes him to ufa eligibility without eating any of his ufa years. This contract could also be too rich for Tampa to match for a complimentary dman when they have bigger fish to fry in Sergachev and Cirelli. Signing Cernak would create a problem for us in that we also have cap issues but to this I simply say, release Stetcher who many have valued at around the 4 mil mark anyway. I'm replacing a little more speed and offense in Stetcher for more size and physicality in Cernak. I see their defensive play as a wash. Some will criticize walking him into free agency but, that's 4 yrs away. Our situation will look a lot different then. The two big questions are: Is he worth it? Can this offer pry him away from Tampa? Hughes Tanev Rathbone Cernak Juolevi/Tryamkin Myers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 We can't afford that contract under the cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeyking Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 i think we would benefit if we do 3m x 3y Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4million for 20points is an over payment imo.. which is precisely why we are talking about letting stecher walk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, I.Am.Ironman said: 4million for 20points is an over payment imo.. which is precisely why we are talking about letting stecher walk Paying Tanev 4.5 mil per season seems to be proper value to many CDCers.. It would seem 4.2 mil for a more physical defensive specialist that may max out at 15 points, is fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, komodo0921 said: Paying Tanev 4.5 mil per season seems to be proper value to many CDCers.. It would seem 4.2 mil for a more physical defensive specialist that may max out at 15 points, is fair. People here seem to underestimate the value of defensemen who can actually play defense. We'd be going with the Toronto model of icing a group full of defensive liabilities if certain posters got their way. Edited August 10, 2020 by King Heffy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 58 minutes ago, King Heffy said: We can't afford that contract under the cap. Other moves may be necessary (moving Virtanen, Sutter as a pair?) for this to be more realistic but didn't want to go too far off topic which was acquiring Cernak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 Detroit and/or Ottawa would make more substantial offers so unless he values winning over money we are unlikely to get him.I like the idea though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Rick Blight said: Detroit and/or Ottawa would make more substantial offers so unless he values winning over money we are unlikely to get him.I like the idea though..... And give up a first and third? Can't see that happening. That's why I put the cap hit there. We have a young up and coming team that's not that far away from contention. This core should be together for a long time. These are factors that would look favorable in signing an offer sheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, komodo0921 said: And give up a first and third? Can't see that happening. That's why I put the cap hit there. We have a young up and coming team that's not that far away from contention. This core should be together for a long time. These are factors that would look favorable in signing an offer sheet. That wouldn't stop Tampa from trading him to Detroit or Ottawa and I suspect their offers would exceed the projected 2nd round pick from Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Rick Blight said: That wouldn't stop Tampa from trading him to Detroit or Ottawa and I suspect their offers would exceed the projected 2nd round pick from Vancouver. Is he tradeable after an offer sheets been signed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 minute ago, komodo0921 said: Is he tradeable after an offer sheets been signed? His rights are tradeable before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, komodo0921 said: Is he tradeable after an offer sheets been signed? I don't think so but I think they would trade him if they thought there was any chance he would be offer sheeted and they couldn't match for cap reasons. If I was the Tampa GM I would satisfy myself that I could re-sign him up to the level of the 1st and 3rd compensation, otherwise I would look to trade him for something better than a 2nd. I would risk the offer sheet if I couldn't get a better offer than a 2nd though. Perhaps the Canucks could indicate to Tampa that they were thinking about the offer sheet route and then settling on a trade for something slightly more than the required 2nd round compensation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) I would do a move like this only if cap dumps are successful (I am intrigued in what Cernak brings as an overall player but would want to have the rest of the team's situation set before poaching an RFA) e.g. does Ferland retire? If so that frees up $3.5 million and would help in retaining the big UFA's and could make adding a big RFA possible if Sutter goes on a tear as a valued two way guy, do we want to let either him or Beagle go? Does Virtanen permanently keep a spot in the lineup (same with Gaudette)? If not, could we acquire picks back for him and Gaudette? (Crazy as it sounds) what if Loui stays in the lineup as a shutdown key cog on the second line? Would the team still try to dump him? Do Toffoli and Demko still look like important future pieces? Could TD supplant Marky if (god forbid) he gets injured? For all these moveable pieces, I would want to have the questions resolved before adding someone as substantial contract-wise as Erik. Edited August 10, 2020 by Phil_314 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 im pretty sure sutter will be here til next trade deadline then hes traded to a team needing a pker eriksson might retire or void contract if sent to utica baertchi might void his if he can play else where in nhl im not worried bout our cap this coming yr but cap to resign petey and hughes will be key to jimbos future of team i see tanev stecher gone this summer marky and maybe toffoli resigned and gaude and virtanen resigned as for d corp edler myer hughes juolevi rathbone benn rafferty we could use a right dman with offesive skill in top 4 through a trade maybe pearson as bait Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I.Am.Ironman Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 hours ago, komodo0921 said: Paying Tanev 4.5 mil per season seems to be proper value to many CDCers.. It would seem 4.2 mil for a more physical defensive specialist that may max out at 15 points, is fair. If we could get out from LE or Sutter sure, but that seems unlikely. I would rather have OJ in the lineup and save 3m should he continue to play well into next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
komodo0921 Posted August 10, 2020 Author Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, King Heffy said: His rights are tradeable before. Obviously this thread assumes he's available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, I.Am.Ironman said: 4million for 20points is an over payment imo.. which is precisely why we are talking about letting stecher walk Stecher vs Cernak 5"6 vs 6"3 26 vs 23 186lbs vs 233lbs Stecher has arbitration rights or his q.o. is like 3.4 million? Cernak to my knowledge does not. 3750000 per for Cernak? Yes please. Hughes Tanev Edler Myers OJ Cernak Eventually Rafferty, Tryamkin, Rathbone etc 3 hours ago, canuktravella said: im pretty sure sutter will be here til next trade deadline then hes traded to a team needing a pker eriksson might retire or void contract if sent to utica baertchi might void his if he can play else where in nhl im not worried bout our cap this coming yr but cap to resign petey and hughes will be key to jimbos future of team i see tanev stecher gone this summer marky and maybe toffoli resigned and gaude and virtanen resigned as for d corp edler myer hughes juolevi rathbone benn rafferty we could use a right dman with offesive skill in top 4 through a trade maybe pearson as bait So, your team for next year looks like.. Miller Petey Boeser Roussel Horvat Virtanen Gaudette Beagle Edler Myers Hughes OJ Rathbone Benn Rafferty Demko Eriksson retired or mutual termination. Baer moved or mutual termination Sutter traded Tanev walks to ufa Stecher leaves Maybe Toffoli Maybe Marky Ferland may be gone as well Motte needs a contract as rfa Leivo is Ufa Fantenberg Ufa Pearson traded for d That D corp has 3 rookies in the top 7 while still missing a top 4 RHD You already know what calibre of D man Pearson, who has 1 year left on his deal gets you in a trade. Erik Gudbranson. As for Cernak trade to Van... Stecher rights Motte rights For Cernak Stecher could find luck with one of Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh. Motte for cheap depth/ pk for tampa Edited August 10, 2020 by GhostsOf1994 Acquiring Cernak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 10 hours ago, komodo0921 said: This proposal mainly stems from my belief that we now have two premiere defenders who will be providing offense in great amounts in Hughes and Rathbone. With big offense comes big paydays and I have little doubt that Rathbone could be in a high cap bracket. I am also predicting Ferland will be on the LTIR list or will be done for good (unfortunately), saving us his cap space. We have Tanev working well with Hughes and now need a right side match for Rathbone. Enter Erik Cernak. A physical defensive specialist who has really come into his own with the Bolts. The Lightning, like the Canucks, have cap problems coming. Both Sergachev and Cirelli will be needing raises, Vasilevsky's 9.5 million dollar contract kicks in, and they will have a whole host of ufa spots to fill. According to capfriendly, Tampa will have just over 5.3 million in capspace this year leaving them in a dire situation. Many have us in the same boat but I contend that some of our current rfa's may be of less importance then theirs. I am quite confident that his ceiling will be 10-20 points and will be most valued as the physical, defensive, complimentary defender. Him getting 15-20 points would be considered a bonus. 4 x 4.2 Compensation would be our 2021 2nd round pick. I think we get great value here. This contract would be very desirable by Cernak's camp as it takes him to ufa eligibility without eating any of his ufa years. This contract could also be too rich for Tampa to match for a complimentary dman when they have bigger fish to fry in Sergachev and Cirelli. Signing Cernak would create a problem for us in that we also have cap issues but to this I simply say, release Stetcher who many have valued at around the 4 mil mark anyway. I'm replacing a little more speed and offense in Stetcher for more size and physicality in Cernak. I see their defensive play as a wash. Some will criticize walking him into free agency but, that's 4 yrs away. Our situation will look a lot different then. The two big questions are: Is he worth it? Can this offer pry him away from Tampa? Hughes Tanev Rathbone Cernak Juolevi/Tryamkin Myers Love this idea. TBL are definitely in trouble. Only move I can see for them to create space would be to trade Kucherov to clear $9.5m. This might give them the space to resign Cirelli, Sergachev and Cernak. But Cernak must also see that his ability to progress and earn big money in Tampa is restricted by all those high paid guys with NTC for the next 5 years or so. He isn't getting a lucrative deal. If we could offer sheet Cernak, I think that we wouldn't have room to keep both Tanev and Cernak, but I would see Cernak as a future replacement for Tanev and maybe this is too good an opportunity to miss out on. Again - love this idea! Defense next season could be: Hughes Cernak Edler Myers Benn Rafferty Juolevi Rathbone The above D corps would be affordable and would allow us to keep Pearson plus resign Markstrom, Virtanen, Gaudette, MacEwen and Motte. Total roster plus all buried and recapture comes to about $79.5m. And following season: Hughes Cernak Juolevi Myers Rathbone Tryamkin Rafferty Woo (young and dynamic with nice mix of offense and defensively minded guys) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 8 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Stecher vs Cernak 5"6 vs 6"3 26 vs 23 186lbs vs 233lbs Stecher has arbitration rights or his q.o. is like 3.4 million? Cernak to my knowledge does not. 3750000 per for Cernak? Yes please. Hughes Tanev Edler Myers OJ Cernak Eventually Rafferty, Tryamkin, Rathbone etc So, your team for next year looks like.. Miller Petey Boeser Roussel Horvat Virtanen Gaudette Beagle Edler Myers Hughes OJ Rathbone Benn Rafferty Demko Eriksson retired or mutual termination. Baer moved or mutual termination Sutter traded Tanev walks to ufa Stecher leaves Maybe Toffoli Maybe Marky Ferland may be gone as well Motte needs a contract as rfa Leivo is Ufa Fantenberg Ufa Pearson traded for d That D corp has 3 rookies in the top 7 while still missing a top 4 RHD You already know what calibre of D man Pearson, who has 1 year left on his deal gets you in a trade. Erik Gudbranson. As for Cernak trade to Van... Stecher rights Motte rights For Cernak Stecher could find luck with one of Hedman, Sergachev, McDonagh. Motte for cheap depth/ pk for tampa pearson is a 50 point player we destroyed pens in that trade so ya he has much more value than guddy as for 3 rookies in lineup next season yes if they are ready sure oli is 22 rafferty is 25 they both are seasoned in pro game they arent 15 yrs old and rathbone could be a makar level talent. Sutters gone by deadline next yr motte hake gaud and marky and hopefully toffoli aee resigned. tanev stecher walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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