GhostsOf1994 Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 3 hours ago, canuktravella said: pearson is a 50 point player we destroyed pens in that trade so ya he has much more value than guddy as for 3 rookies in lineup next season yes if they are ready sure oli is 22 rafferty is 25 they both are seasoned in pro game they arent 15 yrs old and rathbone could be a makar level talent. Sutters gone by deadline next yr motte hake gaud and marky and hopefully toffoli aee resigned. tanev stecher walk. Rafferty is 25? And how many NHL or pro games has he played? I Never said anyone was 15? RATHBONE A MAKAR LEVEL TALENT!? BAUAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHBABAHAHBAHAHAHAHHAAAA! No, just stop. Pearson is not getting a top 4 dman, period. Miller Petey Boeser Roussel Horvat Toffoli Motte Gaudette Virtanen ???? Beagle ???? Edler Myers Hughes top 4 from pearson Rafferty Oj Rathbone Benn Rooster and Motte in the top 9 = no playoffs next year. That d core is worse then what the Canucks currently have. How about, resign tanev, let stech walk. Keep Pearson for the 2nd line Voila, no holes in the top 6 forwards or top 4 d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 4 hours ago, canuktravella said: pearson is a 50 point player we destroyed pens in that trade so ya he has much more value than guddy as for 3 rookies in lineup next season yes if they are ready sure oli is 22 rafferty is 25 they both are seasoned in pro game they arent 15 yrs old and rathbone could be a makar level talent. Sutters gone by deadline next yr motte hake gaud and marky and hopefully toffoli aee resigned. tanev stecher walk. Rathbone a 4th round pick is comparable to a 4th overall pick in Makar?? I think Hughes is a comparable to Makar, Rathbone might be a comparable to Viktor Mete from Montreal, that would be a nice turnout if true, also was a 4th round pick. But comparing him to a top Calder candidate is a bit of a stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 1 hour ago, GhostsOf1994 said: Keep Pearson for the 2nd line I think we could consider selling high on Pearson, might get a 2nd back. Toffoli is likely going to test FA, Leivo could be a cheap 1yr prove your healthy contract that could pot us some points for a lot less $$$ than Pearson. Saving $ wherever we can this off season is going to be key, we need to make room and maybe try to get a solid RHD somehow in a trade or UFA if possible. Hamonic would be a target of mine but I think he signs in Winterpeg so he is close to home 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted August 10, 2020 Share Posted August 10, 2020 5 hours ago, canuktravella said: rathbone could be a makar level talent. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Tanevs value is we have enough history that if he wants to stay and keep signing one or two year deals until he can’t do it anymore it makes some sense for both sides to go that route. Of course the cap hit matters..but he’s still a value performer at 4-4.5...and JB could make a deal for a one year contract and he would take it ( to save us a protection spot on the ED). Id rather keep his leadership around for awhile longer. Even if that meant we had to sign a 3 year deal to keep him this offseason- ATM he’s right where Mitchell was in his career when we signed him to a 3 year deal and he won multiple Pratt awards. 30 year old guys like Edler and Tanev definitely should have a lot of good years left when they have Myers and Q Hughes to back them up ... and soon OJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 15 hours ago, Canuckster86 said: I think we could consider selling high on Pearson, might get a 2nd back. Toffoli is likely going to test FA, Leivo could be a cheap 1yr prove your healthy contract that could pot us some points for a lot less $$$ than Pearson. Saving $ wherever we can this off season is going to be key, we need to make room and maybe try to get a solid RHD somehow in a trade or UFA if possible. Hamonic would be a target of mine but I think he signs in Winterpeg so he is close to home IMO we either go for Pearson or TT...we can’t do both. The math works to sign everyone but the cost would be Pearson, Stetcher (Rafferty replaces), Leivo, and Ferland on the LTIR. We’d have to use Roussel and Bear on the left side. To me it doesn’t make any sense at all to dump that much depth....am hoping TT walks, Ferland goes to the LTIR, we don’t sign Fatenburg or Leivo, and find a cheap Fatenburg type to play one year on the R side so Rafferty has to push himself and it’s gifted Stetchers spot. We’d be running basically the same team that just played a terrific series against one of the very best defensive and hottest teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/11/2020 at 10:01 AM, Canuckster86 said: I think we could consider selling high on Pearson, might get a 2nd back. Toffoli is likely going to test FA, Leivo could be a cheap 1yr prove your healthy contract that could pot us some points for a lot less $$$ than Pearson. Saving $ wherever we can this off season is going to be key, we need to make room and maybe try to get a solid RHD somehow in a trade or UFA if possible. Hamonic would be a target of mine but I think he signs in Winterpeg so he is close to home Yeah I like the sound of all that. I reckon we could get a 2021 2nd out of Dallas for Pearson. They are in win now mode and Pearson brings some nice secondary scoring for a decent cap hit. Canucks sign Leivo on a one year deal worth $1.5m. Resign Marky (5.75), Tanev (4.5), Virt (3.0), Gaud (2.0), BigMac (1.0), Motte (1.0). Waive Loui. Ferland on LTIR. If we do all that we could afford to offer sheet Cernak for $4m. Roster for next season costs total of $79.7m, counting everything except performance bonus overages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 On 8/9/2020 at 4:34 PM, komodo0921 said: This proposal mainly stems from my belief that we now have two premiere defenders who will be providing offense in great amounts in Hughes and Rathbone. With big offense comes big paydays and I have little doubt that Rathbone could be in a high cap bracket. I am also predicting Ferland will be on the LTIR list or will be done for good (unfortunately), saving us his cap space. We have Tanev working well with Hughes and now need a right side match for Rathbone. Enter Erik Cernak. A physical defensive specialist who has really come into his own with the Bolts. The Lightning, like the Canucks, have cap problems coming. Both Sergachev and Cirelli will be needing raises, Vasilevsky's 9.5 million dollar contract kicks in, and they will have a whole host of ufa spots to fill. According to capfriendly, Tampa will have just over 5.3 million in capspace this year leaving them in a dire situation. Many have us in the same boat but I contend that some of our current rfa's may be of less importance then theirs. I am quite confident that his ceiling will be 10-20 points and will be most valued as the physical, defensive, complimentary defender. Him getting 15-20 points would be considered a bonus. 4 x 4.2 Compensation would be our 2021 2nd round pick. I think we get great value here. This contract would be very desirable by Cernak's camp as it takes him to ufa eligibility without eating any of his ufa years. This contract could also be too rich for Tampa to match for a complimentary dman when they have bigger fish to fry in Sergachev and Cirelli. Signing Cernak would create a problem for us in that we also have cap issues but to this I simply say, release Stetcher who many have valued at around the 4 mil mark anyway. I'm replacing a little more speed and offense in Stetcher for more size and physicality in Cernak. I see their defensive play as a wash. Some will criticize walking him into free agency but, that's 4 yrs away. Our situation will look a lot different then. The two big questions are: Is he worth it? Can this offer pry him away from Tampa? Hughes Tanev Rathbone Cernak Juolevi/Tryamkin Myers Canucks can't afford anyone from now until 2021-2022 when they re-sign Pettersson and Hughes. The Canucks will need to focus on clearing their bad/transitional contracts while saving up money to re-sign some of the players that are currently within their organization. The real fun for the Canucks will begin in the off-season after next season (Summer of 2021?). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted August 13, 2020 Share Posted August 13, 2020 11 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said: Canucks can't afford anyone from now until 2021-2022 when they re-sign Pettersson and Hughes. The Canucks will need to focus on clearing their bad/transitional contracts while saving up money to re-sign some of the players that are currently within their organization. The real fun for the Canucks will begin in the off-season after next season (Summer of 2021?). Wrong. I think they will be fine to add someone such as Cernak, as long as they can secure Tanev and Markstrom for reasonable money. Check my post immediately above yours for a 2020/21 roster that includes Cernak and only costs us $79.7m. Projecting into 2021/22 we will say goodbye to Sutter, Baer, Edler, Benn and Spooner's contracts (and probably Demko going to Seattle). This will allow us to afford raises for Petey and Hughes, as well as bringing in some great young talent to support the now more experienced core moving forward. The below is an example roster for 2021/22 for only $80.8m in cap (Loui still waived or bring him back to VAN in his last year if Podz or Hogs are not ready): Miller Pettersson (8.5m) Boeser Hoglander Horvat Virtanen (3) Roussel Gaudette (2) MacEwen Motte Beagle Lind (Podkolzin on ELC) Hughes (7m) Cernak (4m) Juolevi Tanev (4.5m) Rathbone Myers (Rafferty or Woo) Markstrom (5.75m) (DiPietro, 1m) 2022/23 gets even easier cap-wise because Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel contracts will clear. We will only have Boeser and perhaps Gaudette in line for a serious pay rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) It seems no one on this thread is watching the Canucks playoff roster....... Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Eriksson Roussel Sutter McEwen Motte Beagle Virtanen Gaudette Hughes Tanev Edler Myers Fantenburg Stecher Mrkstrom Demko Just thought I would put up a winning lineup Possible Additions next year..........Hoglander, Juolevi, Rathbone, Rafferty Possible deletions next year........... Toffoli, Stecher, Leivo Possible LTIR next year..................Ferland That is about it, Folks! Edited August 14, 2020 by janisahockeynut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vannuck59 Posted August 16, 2020 Share Posted August 16, 2020 (edited) On 8/13/2020 at 11:15 PM, janisahockeynut said: It seems no one on this thread is watching the Canucks playoff roster....... Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Eriksson Roussel Sutter McEwen Motte Beagle Virtanen Gaudette Hughes Tanev Edler Myers Fantenburg Stecher Markstrom Demko Just thought I would put up a winning lineup Possible Additions next year..........Hoglander, Juolevi, Rathbone, Rafferty Possible deletions next year........... Toffoli, Stecher, Leivo Possible LTIR next year..................Ferland That is about it, Folks! Sorry nice line up its what Green has to work with. Add This line up would be better Make room for kids have more cap space Leivo 1x1.5, Lind .892, Pay Gaudette 2x1.5 , MacEwen 2x1.2 ,Tanev 4x5.5 Motte 2x 1.2 Offer sheet Cernak 4x 4.2 mil cost of a 2nd round pick Send Lui to Utica as well as Benn Sign FA Goalie 1x 1mil aka Domingue or someone else Trade Virtanen (Not worth what he will ask) , Demko (Demko we may lose in expansion) , Stecher ( like him but we need bigger D)for picks or prospects Miller Pettersson Boeser Pearson Horvat Lind / Leivo Roussel Gaudette MacEwen Motte Beagle Sutter/Leivo Leivo /Lind/ Sutter Hughes Tanev Edler Myers Juolevi Cernak Brisebois Rafferty Markstrom / UFA /Domingue Hoglander and Rathbone can play in Utica for a year. Lots of room cap space for next year and a better team. Edited August 16, 2020 by vannuck59 Benn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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