[GDT] Vancouver Canucks vs. Vegas Golden Knights | August 29th, 2020 | 6:45pm PT, SNP | R2G3

[Jaimito]

4 minutes ago, Chris12345 said:

Great for them but I find that hard to believe.

 

That meant they had a 6 minute conversation 50 times? That conversation should be longer than 6 minutes?

 

Regardless racism is terrible.

There is a thing call video or telephone conferencing technology that allows multiple people to have conversations at once. 

[oldnews]

55 minutes ago, kingfreako said:

A lot of people in this thread saying "it's not about race, it's about class" and I've been hearing this argument for many many years. I assume that most of you are Canadian, and I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you don't study US history in your spare time. But just think about WHY such a disproportionately large percent of African Americans are in the lower class. It's not an accident. Segregationist policies were designed to limit access to desirable housing, employment, education, and perhaps most significantly voting rights, to African Americans. It's been that way forever and it is still that way in many parts of the country. Look at the history of school segregation, redlining, gerrymandering, and voter rights suppression. It's evil. And it's not just about individuals having prejudiced or bigoted opinions - it's about systemic racism that is deeply ingrained in American society.

You don't need to study American history to find racism, and segregation.

That picture - in your avatar - applies every bit as much north of the border.

Canada has it's Indian Acts.  It has the goal of the extinguishment of indigenous rights - right through to the present.  And it may have had it's underground railroad, but it also has it's "Africvilles".  I grew up in part in a deeply racist Nova Scotia - in the 1970s and 1980s - where the momentum of deeply seated racism was patently obvious to us even as children.  I've lived all over this country - and have been in BC for many decades - the ghost of denial is every bit as strong here.  Canada still has the trappings of a constitutional monarchy - it is still in it's essence a colonial occupation. 

 

Make no mistake - I love my country.  It's a young country.  It has a lot of growing up still ahead of it - if it ever manages to face it in a real way.  It's also all relative - and relatively speaking, Canadians have a whole lot to be thankful for - but also a whole lot to get real about.

 

British Columbia abandoned the treaty process because the Premier at the time felt that you can no more speak of the rights of an Indian to land than you can a panther or a bear.

The modern fraudulent treaty process has been a devolved process with one purpose - to extinguish indigenous rights.  It's a convenient process -  a devolved process - conducted between band councils (Indian Act creations imposed to eliminate indigenous governance) -and the province (not a Nation, and an entity sitting, for the most part, beyond the treaty frontier) - it is/was a fraud - when it should be a process between the federal government (who go underground, into hiding on the matter) and the Nations - whose voice is replaced by Indian Act band councils = internal colonies.  We have reservations - as do you.  We gave the concept to a visiting delegation from South Africa, who modelled apartheid on our reservation system.  The real difference being - that Africa had not be depopulated - in large part because it shared the well travelled land bridge to Europe and shared much of it's immunities.  The 'depopulation' - a sanitary word I'll use here as opposed to the more correct political one - wasn't simply an  'accident' here - it was the self-documented germ/biological warfare of the "infested blanket".

Duncan Campbell Scott - superintendent of Indian Affairs felt that education should be used as a force to give the "Indians" a correct estimation of their inferiority.

We could go on and on and on about history north of the border - every bit as ugly as American history.  

 

No, it's not just about 'class' - that much is correct - America fought it's revolutionary war against being a colony.  Canada did not.  America remained and remains a deeply class society.  Canadian 'democracy' is a mutated constitutional monarchy.  Most Canadians don't even know who the head of state actually is.  Indigenous Nations remain internal colonies of the Canadian state - every bit as much as they are in post-revolutionary America.  Canadians can't look down their noses at American racism - even if the present urban conflict south of the border gives the impression that 'we' are in a better place than 'you'.   America's should probably stop idealizing their northern neighbors.   Yes, I'd agree this is a 'better' place to live, but again, it's all relative.

 

But that's enough of that for now.

I loathe politics.

Peace - and good health - to you. 

 

Go Canucks go! ? !

Edited August 27, 2020 by oldnews

[nux4lyfe]

All this is going to do is cause a race divide and people are going to get more violent. So stupid.

 

[Chris12345]

4 minutes ago, kingfreako said:

Actually, there are many racist policies that remain, and I do think there are lots of hard-working people working to dismantle these policies. But mainstream media outlets are obsessed with focusing on more sensationalist topics because quite frankly that is what their consumers tend to watch/click on.

For starters, voter suppression is still a big deal (especially in the South). Also, school funding needs to be restructured - relying on property tax is inherently inequitable. The overpolicing of poor neighborhoods, unfair bail laws, and disproportionate sentencing of African Americans is a real problem that leaves many families broken. 

Lean On Me?

[Roger Neilsons Towel]

 

[cuporbust]

5 minutes ago, WZRD said:

He did not break up a fight. That is what the media wants you to believe. There were multiple warrants out for his arrest for third degree sexual assault and domestic violence. He allegedly was with a woman who he is not supposed to be in contact with and he stole her keys which is why the police were initially called. 
 

Not saying he deserved to get shot in the back however more discussion needs to be placed on listening to police officers’ instructions so this doesn’t happen but hey, he knew what he was doing due to his warrants. 
 

Also just because a white officer shoots a black man doesn’t mean the officer’s racist. PROVE that he/she is with facts instead of just throwing that word out there. 
 

Am I still allowed to say Go Canucks Go!?

There are bad cops, but there are also plenty of good ones that will get strung up unjustly.  They wont have to defund the police soon, they will likely quit . They already had a tough time finding people willing to sign up for it.

[Moose Nuckle]

1 minute ago, kingfreako said:

Actually, there are many racist policies that remain, and I do think there are lots of hard-working people working to dismantle these policies. But mainstream media outlets are obsessed with focusing on more sensationalist topics because quite frankly that is what their consumers tend to watch/click on.

For starters, voter suppression is still a big deal (especially in the South). Also, school funding needs to be restructured - relying on property tax is inherently inequitable. The overpolicing of poor neighborhoods, unfair bail laws, and disproportionate sentencing of African Americans is a real problem that leaves many families broken. 

1 - the current government is trying to allow kids to go to any school, not their neighborhood school. This is awesome and addresses some of the school funding issue.

2 - the current government has been taking strides in prison reform

3 - marijuana is being legalized and hopefully will continue, this should help prison issues

4 - policing neighborhoods that are dangerous can't and shouldn't stop. More training and psychological assessments of officers is needed which required more funding.

 

I agree with you and I hope people see that progress is being made but needs to be made faster. 

[Moose Nuckle]

5 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

But you probably understand why Reaves would have a different perspective regarding postponing the game.

Right, so we arent talking about the same thing.

[Chris12345]

14 minutes ago, wloutet said:

One thing that a lot of Canadians might not know is that, in the USA, the school funding is done district by district. So, if your district is in a poor area, then you may get less money per student (sometimes by far), than the white richer district only a few blocks or miles away. In BC, we try to even it out a bit more, so the level of teaching, curriculum, and equipment is more even.

Like the movie Lean On Me?

[Ghostsof1915]

9 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Cancelling a day of sports is going to do nothing to fix this. This isnt a sports issue its a World issue. 

 

Everyone who is pro cancelling games, what ya gonna do tonight now...have a pow wow phone conference with all your friends to discuss whats wrong and come up with creative ideas how to solve it...Fcuk no you wont! Your life will go on as usual instead, just watch a movies, get even more drunk as you dont have a game to focus on or go swimming and enjoy the great summer weather.

 

Wish I was an old &^@# and or already dead when $&!# like this gets blown out of proportion. This isnt new people and it wont go away tomorrow when you wake up...

1000 mile journey begins with one step.

[cuporbust]

1 minute ago, nux4lyfe said:

All this is going to do is cause a race divide and people are going to get more violent. So stupid.

 

[Stelar]

2 minutes ago, nux4lyfe said:

All this is going to do is cause a race divide and people are going to get more violent. So stupid.

 

missing a day of hockey is going to cause a larger race divide?  Really?

[Moose Nuckle]

1 minute ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

 

The conversation just has to happen I think. Regroup tomorrow for a final result Haha

[John.Tallhouse]

Everyone agrees that racism is wrong, but blindly following the growing political culture as to appear “not racist” is cowardly. And too assume this incident happened out of hate simply because the victim is black.. well it leads into a very toxic power dynamic where people are allowed to do whatever they want based of skin colour and will be celebrated based purely of that.. we need facts we need evidence we need proof that this is a racial motivated crime against civil rights. It cannot simply be - “he was black, they were racist” 

 

Find this whole scenario very demeaning and degrading to everyone involved 

[Chicken.]

7 minutes ago, nux4lyfe said:

Next time a black dude kills a white man, STOP everything!

the guy is still alive I believe, likely paralyzed though. white people get shot by cops regularly too. 

 

I feel like just spitting some facts out here, since this thread is never getting back on track.

 

The report, published by the ACLU on Wednesday, shows that from 2015 to 2019, an average of 19.4 fatal police shootings occurred per week in the country over the first half of the year. 

 

Despite the pandemic and months of anti-racism protests, the U.S. had the exact same average number of police shootings per week for the first half of 2020. 

 

As of June 30, police officers had fatally shot 511 people, more than the 484 shot during the same period in 2019. 

 

For the past five years, police have shot nearly 1,000 people per year, totaling at least 5,442 deaths from January 1, 2015, to June 30, 2020. 

 

Demographic breakdowns of the fatalities show police shootings disproportionately impact Black Americans.

 

Of those shot by police, 24% are Black, though Black people make up about 13% of the U.S. population, and 46% are white, though white people account for 60% of the U.S. population. 

 

Americans are killed by police at triple the rate of Canadians, the country with the next highest rate of killing, and at least 16 times the rate of England and Germany. 

[kingfreako]

3 minutes ago, oldnews said:

You don't need to study American history to find racism, and segregation.

That picture - in your avatar - applies every bit as much north of the border.

Canada has it's Indian Acts.  It has the goal of the extinguishment of indigenous rights - right through to the present.  And it may have had it's underground railroad, but it also has it's "Africvilles".  I grew up in part in a deeply racist Nova Scotia - in the 1970s and 1980s - where the momentum of deeply seated racism was patently obvious to us even as children.  I've lived all over this country - and have been in BC for many decades - the ghost of denial is every bit as strong here.  Canada still has the trappings of a constitutional monarchy - it is still in it's essence a colonial occupation.

Hey thanks for teaching me something new today - I didn't know about Africville until now.

[FireGillis]

Good for the NHL postponing.  Would have been better yesterday as it's a bit reactive now, but better late than never!

[Dumb Nuck]

I watch sports to take a break with all the crap that’s going on in the world, thanks for taking away that escape.

[nux4lyfe]

1 minute ago, Stelar said:

missing a day of hockey is going to cause a larger race divide?  Really?

Brother, The more attention it gets, The bigger it gets..what did Morgan Freeman say?

[Roberts]

3 minutes ago, Roger Neilsons Towel said:

 

poor moderators...