Odjick the Warrior Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, Junkyard Dog said: Yotes couldn't do that either since they still have Raanta and Keumper signed. They also have a similarly aged goalie in Hill who looks ready to make the jump. Seemed to play well in the NHL games he had this year. He could be their Demko already. They are probably looking to trade a goalie since both Raanta and Keumper are a bit over 4M. I think the Canucks should trade Markstrom's rights and then trade for both OEL and Raanta as he is on his last year of his deal and can go on a hot streak and not for injuries would have won the job back from keumper. He is next season's Robin Lehner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: I think the Canucks should trade Markstrom's rights and then trade for both OEL and Raanta as he is on his last year of his deal and can go on a hot streak and not for injuries would have won the job back from keumper. He is next season's Robin Lehner. Yeah I have mentioned that in earlier posts. OEL and Raanta would bring 12.5M in cap if nothing is retained so I'd want the Yotes to take another contract like Sutter for Raanta. They could use a bottom 6 C next year too so we'd just be swapping pieces that would fill a role for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) To ARZ Eriksson Demko Juolevi Ritchie To BOS OEL To VAN Carlo BOS pick I don't know BOS cap situation though Edited October 3, 2020 by SILLY GOOSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: Yeah I have mentioned that in earlier posts. OEL and Raanta would bring 12.5M in cap if nothing is retained so I'd want the Yotes to take another contract like Sutter for Raanta. They could use a bottom 6 C next year too so we'd just be swapping pieces that would fill a role for a year. Raanta is not a cap dump. He'd likely have quite a bit interest on the market. Raanta was signed as a starter but got sidelined by injuries and Kuemper stepped up. They then went with Kuemper as their #1 to start this season but he got injured. Raanta got back in the net and was again solid. Raanta and Kuemper was the best goalie tandem this season with both equally as strong per Sportlogiq. Raanta even ranks above Markstrom in goals saved above expected with 0.49 (4th) to 0.47 (5th for Markstrom). Kuemper is at 0.51 (2nd place). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Fun little tid bit. OEL took part of the last home game for the Sedins. During the handshake he embraced them both with hugs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 Just now, mll said: Raanta is not a cap dump. He'd likely have quite a bit interest on the market. Raanta was signed as a starter but got sidelined by injuries and Kuemper stepped up. They then went with Kuemper as their #1 to start this season but he got injured. Raanta got back in the net and was again solid. Raanta and Kuemper was the best goalie tandem this season with both equally as strong per Sportlogiq. Raanta even ranks above Markstrom in goals saved above expected with 0.49 (4th) to 0.47 (5th for Markstrom). Kuemper is at 0.51 (2nd place). I figure if Yotes kept both that they'd look to trade Keumper. I thought I heard rumors that he could be on the market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said: I figure if Yotes kept both that they'd look to trade Keumper. I thought I heard rumors that he could be on the market? Kuemper is apparently available. The asking price is a 1st round pick and a prospect. Kuemper is starting a new 4.5M deal and is owed 3.5M this season and 5.5M the next - no signing bonus. They've already paid Raanta's 2M bonus and he's only owed another 2M. Replacing Raanta does not help their cash flow - a starter is likely going to cost more than the 2M he is owed. They've signed Aidan Hill to a 800K one-way deal last month and he's waiver eligible. Would think the plan is to go Raanta/Hill next year. Edited October 3, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing With Pride Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Maginator said: Doi. I thought he was Swedish. I guess that completely voids anything I said! All good. I figured that's what you were thinking. At least the Swedes and Finns are neighbours. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, mll said: Kuemper is apparently available. The asking price is a 1st round pick and a prospect. Kuemper is starting a new 4.5M deal and is owed 3.5M this season and 5.5M the next - no signing bonus. They've already paid Raanta's 2M bonus and he's only owed another 2M. Replacing Raanta does not help their cash flow - a starter is likely going to cost more than the 2M he is owed. but Raanta is on his last year while Keumper has another year left and have 2 goalies in the minors that have to go through waivers next year. Also Arizona wanted Edmonton's 1st rounder but learned that wasn't going to happen unless Arizona took back salary. Edited October 3, 2020 by IjustNEEDaTROYgamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 3, 2020 Author Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 minute ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: but Raanta is on his last year while Keumper has another year left and have 2 goalies in the minors that have to go through waivers next year. And that's why Kuemper is on the trade block. Apparently lots of interest. It's the most cash efficient solution for them to trade Kuemper. Only Aidan Hill is waiver eligible per CapFriendly. He was just signed last month to a 1-way 800K deal. Raanta/Hill is likely their tandem for this upcoming season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 hours ago, oldnews said: I would also say - I 'expected' some of Arizona's D - to not look as good on paper after the kind of strange moves they've been making, for misfit playes imo. You add liabilities like Kessel, or Hall to a team that was built on tight systems and Dave Tippett style of hockey - and a team that otherwise has a bunch of 23 and under top scorers....I'm not surprised if some of their team-mates numbers aren't that flattering... Is it not a gamble though to suggest his numbers will be better in Vancouver? The story is that he's regressing. I'm sure his regression still leaves him at a high level but this is a massive contract for many years. It also sets the bar for other contracts coming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 1 hour ago, Pete M said: also, wanted MT over OJ...they passed on a franchise player - it was a no brainer over OJ ...MT is also a stud. Missing out on MT got us Petey, Hughes Hog and Pod so it isn’t worth it to lose sweat over that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 8 hours ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: he most likely will be but Arizona could also like Rathbone or Woo and be scared off by his injury history, I would let Arizona pick 1 of those three because we might all be valuing Juolevi higher then Arizona has him and think they need Rathbone or Woo. Juolevi is the only lefty of the 3 of them. All you need to do is look at the depth chart to see that, should Juolevi reach his potential, if we had OEL, Juolevi would be gone once he was getting to the point of making bigger money anyways (in theory.) Olli projects to be a top 4 and if he's not gonna unseat Hughes or OEL, then what's he doing here. Might as well use him to acquire OEL anyways. It's probably who they would want, regardless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL97OneTimer Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 5 hours ago, Pete M said: You'll love him at 35 and 36 with a $8M cap hit? How many times have GMs gone down this road to be left with an aging player and a bad contract....I'm not going to list them, but we have one on our team already....ride out the LE contract if there are no takers and don't repeat the same mistake again...OEL will be a mistake, maybe not in the first two years, but after that he will decline....it's the kid in the candy store scenario if JB goes down this road again. Agree....it's the cap hit and term I don't like. If JB manages to get him with Phoenix retaining some of the cap hit while also taking LE's cap hit, that would be very appealing however. Perhaps this is possible if Phoenix really needs to hit the floor but can't afford the actual payout. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Noseforthenet Posted October 3, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 3, 2020 Okay, I just wanna say this talk about OEL regressing already is complete garbage. He's 29, his skating is the smoothest I've seen outside of a handful of hall of fame defensemen, and 30 points in 66 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league is nothing to sneeze at, and he has proven to be one of the most durable defensemen in the game today. Playing the kind of minutes he has had to and then looking at the role he would have on this team, it's not a stretch to think he would be very effective here. Plus he has a damn good shot, which isn't exactly something the Canucks have from the blue line. If the cap hits match up and the needs are met for both teams I say do it. This isn't a Toronto Maple Retards move. Hell, this wouldn't even be a Jim Benning signing a soft player who has suffered multiple concussions to a long term deal move. This is a calculated risk worth taking. We need a replacement for Edler. There aren't many options out there who are actually better than him for the minutes he plays on this team. 1 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odjick the Warrior Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 17 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said: Juolevi is the only lefty of the 3 of them. All you need to do is look at the depth chart to see that, should Juolevi reach his potential, if we had OEL, Juolevi would be gone once he was getting to the point of making bigger money anyways (in theory.) Olli projects to be a top 4 and if he's not gonna unseat Hughes or OEL, then what's he doing here. Might as well use him to acquire OEL anyways. It's probably who they would want, regardless. No I agree but Arizona's scounting department might have Rathbone or even Woo higher rated because his injury history scared them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 23 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said: Juolevi is the only lefty of the 3 of them. All you need to do is look at the depth chart to see that, should Juolevi reach his potential, if we had OEL, Juolevi would be gone once he was getting to the point of making bigger money anyways (in theory.) Olli projects to be a top 4 and if he's not gonna unseat Hughes or OEL, then what's he doing here. Might as well use him to acquire OEL anyways. It's probably who they would want, regardless. Rathbone is a left shot. Woo is the only right shot out of the three. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 2 minutes ago, dougieL said: Rathbone is a left shot. Woo is the only right shot out of the three. Oh, I thought he was a right. Thanks for that. Yeah, then I guess they COULD choose. Olli is further along in his development though, so I still think they would take Olli. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 9 minutes ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said: No I agree but Arizona's scounting department might have Rathbone or even Woo higher rated because his injury history scared them. They might, but of the 3 of them, only one has any kind of NHL experience at all. I also wouldn't exactly say Arizona's scouting department is stellar either. They still can't score goals very well. Woo had an injury this year as well. My bet is on Olli as being the popular choice for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted October 3, 2020 Share Posted October 3, 2020 10 minutes ago, Noseforthenet said: Okay, I just wanna say this talk about OEL regressing already is complete garbage. He's 29, his skating is the smoothest I've seen outside of a handful of hall of fame defensemen, and 30 points in 66 games on one of the lowest scoring teams in the league is nothing to sneeze at, and he has proven to be one of the most durable defensemen in the game today. Playing the kind of minutes he has had to and then looking at the role he would have on this team, it's not a stretch to think he would be very effective here. Plus he has a damn good shot, which isn't exactly something the Canucks have from the blue line. If the cap hits match up and the needs are met for both teams I say do it. This isn't a Toronto Maple Retards move. Hell, this wouldn't even be a Jim Benning signing a soft player who has suffered multiple concussions to a long term deal move. This is a calculated risk worth taking. We need a replacement for Edler. There aren't many options out there who are actually better than him for the minutes he plays on this team. Agreed. Our defence needs a solid upgrade if we are to compete for a Cup and with Edler gone after this upcoming season, there is going to be far too many holes in the back end. Some of these negative fans just don’t get it. Not every Swede is a Louie freaking Eriksson! I’m sure OEL will be a fantastic acquisition for years to come, like all the other great Swedes this town has enjoyed over the years. On a side note, I would prefer Alex Pietralengelo but a bidding war for free agents always end up being too costly and we need to dump salary via a trade. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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