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1 hour ago, oldnews said:

To Arizona:

Domi

Drouin

Mete/Kulak

pick

 

To Montreal

OEL

Dvorak.

I know it’s a different GM now. But I’m not sure Arizona looks to reaquire Domi two seasons after shipping him out for Galchenyuk.  Although stranger things have happened. 

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9 hours ago, qwijibo said:

I know it’s a different GM now. But I’m not sure Arizona looks to reaquire Domi two seasons after shipping him out for Galchenyuk.  Although stranger things have happened. 

"I'm not sure" your point matters in the least.   The same GM that "shipped out" Kapanen just reacquired him for Pitts. 

Do we need to waste our time on precedents of teams reacquiring players?

 

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/video/kapanen-perfect-fit-penguins-gm-rutherford/?show_id=13411

 

I'm more interested in spitballing deals.

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Per Friedman Arizona is looking to cut payroll and rebuild.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/31-thoughts-players-make-unified-anti-racism-statement-bubble/

 

6. Let’s talk some more about Arizona. This is not an easy job right now, but there will still be interest. There are only 32 of these positions, and they are coveted. The Meruelo family is in the casino business, which has been hammered by COVID-19. There’s been significant layoffs on the business side, and, last week, assistant coach John MacLean and video coach Steve Peters were let go. Several bonuses are due in September, including Oliver Ekman-Larsson’s. During their post-season appearance, players were upset about late payment of per diems. The goal will be to cut payroll and rebuild. The Coyotes have a tight cap situation for 2020-21, but then it eases. There’s also the matter of the NHL’s stiff punishment for prospect workout violations.

 

7. We’ll get to the machinations of that decision shortly, but the penalty means no current selections in the first three rounds of the 2020 draft and no first- or third-rounder in 2021. Expect the Coyotes to try and re-stock that. Even with an active goalie market, Darcy Kuemper is a very attractive piece thanks to his impressive playoff performance. He’s signed for two more years at $4.5 million per. Ekman-Larsson has seven years remaining at $8.25 million per season, and the team would like to test his marketplace. A no-move clause gives him control, but word is he’s not opposed to the idea pending the landing spot. It’s not an easy contract to handle at this time, but there are teams out there who believe Ekman-Larsson would be revitalized by a fresh start. Arizona has four other defenders — Jason Demers, Alex Goligoski, Niklas Hjalmarsson and Jordan Oesterle — with one year remaining on their contracts. All of them could help another team. Hjalmarsson, in particular, is much-loved around the league.

 

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4 minutes ago, D-Money said:

What a mess Chayka left there...

yeah it appears now to be a real scorched earth legacy, yikes. 

 

Oh well at least hey still have Kessel :lol: 

 

The only option for them now its to collect picks, tank next season and re-do things once all those 30+ d contracts are gone in two seasons. 

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You know, maybe I’m crazy, but with so many teams trying to cut salary in the short term, Loui Eriksson might be soon considered a tradable piece. After his 2020-21 bonus, he’s only owed $1M next year, but his $6M cap hit will help teams that have to get to the floor.

 

The following season he can be bought out for $2M, +$1M in 2022, but still have a $4M + $1M cap hit.

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17 minutes ago, D-Money said:

You know, maybe I’m crazy, but with so many teams trying to cut salary in the short term, Loui Eriksson might be soon considered a tradable piece. After his 2020-21 bonus, he’s only owed $1M next year, but his $6M cap hit will help teams that have to get to the floor.

 

No team is going to take on Eriksson. Not only has he been absolutely ineffective throughout his time in Vancouver, he's cemented how completely washed up he is with 0 points in 10 playoff games. A team wouldn't even rush to sign a guy like him for $900k in free agency.

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44 minutes ago, Monty said:

No team is going to take on Eriksson. Not only has he been absolutely ineffective throughout his time in Vancouver, he's cemented how completely washed up he is with 0 points in 10 playoff games. A team wouldn't even rush to sign a guy like him for $900k in free agency.

Obviously a team is not going to “want” Eriksson the player. But many teams are rumoured to be trying to cut salary dollars. If a team wants to spend less than the cap floor, Eriksson’s $5M of empty cap space might be agreeable to them.

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Just now, D-Money said:

Obviously a team is not going to “want” Eriksson the player. But many teams are rumoured to be trying to cut salary dollars. If a team wants to spend less than the cap floor, Eriksson’s $5M of empty cap space might be agreeable to them.

If it's about reaching the cap floor for those very few teams that need to reach it, they could simply re-sign a player already contributing or a player in free agency to a one year deal for slightly more than they're worth to a one year deal who are more suited to a 3rd or 4th line role, than take a washed up bag of crap.

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31 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Obviously a team is not going to “want” Eriksson the player. But many teams are rumoured to be trying to cut salary dollars. If a team wants to spend less than the cap floor, Eriksson’s $5M of empty cap space might be agreeable to them.

There's probably no team in need to reach the floor.  This season NJD was the team that finished the closest to the floor - they ended the season more than 12M over the floor despite trading Hall mid-season and 5M Simmonds at the TDL.  Even Ottawa has an 8M deal starting for Chabot and have several RFAs in need of a raise.  

 

Arizona still has Hossa's LTIR contract for another year.   Per Friedman sounds like they want to cut payroll, so adding a player that gets them to spend more than they have to is probably not a move they are looking to do.

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1 hour ago, Monty said:

If it's about reaching the cap floor for those very few teams that need to reach it, they could simply re-sign a player already contributing or a player in free agency to a one year deal for slightly more than they're worth to a one year deal who are more suited to a 3rd or 4th line role, than take a washed up bag of crap.

The whole point is cutting salary dollars. So not sure how signing someone to equal dollars to cap hit helps with that at all.

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18 minutes ago, D-Money said:

The whole point is cutting salary dollars. So not sure how signing someone to equal dollars to cap hit helps with that at all.

Not signing to equal dollars, just enough to put them at the cap floor. Not even sure how many teams are going to have trouble hitting the floor next season. Certainly not Arizona anymore.

 

The other part was re-signing a player on the team that fits said teams style already, both on and off the ice. Taking on Eriksson, who fits no style, wouldn't help.

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17 hours ago, Monty said:

No team is going to take on Eriksson. Not only has he been absolutely ineffective throughout his time in Vancouver, he's cemented how completely washed up he is with 0 points in 10 playoff games. A team wouldn't even rush to sign a guy like him for $900k in free agency.

LE isn't going nowhere unless we are parting with substantial assets to clear that 6 million salary. I do think Sutter might have raised his value a bit and could probably fetch us something like a late pick. A team like Ottawa could be interested, Sutter is an upgrade on whoever they have centering their 3rd-4th line, plus hes UFA next off season so the risk is little

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7 hours ago, filthycanuck said:

LE isn't going nowhere unless we are parting with substantial assets to clear that 6 million salary. I do think Sutter might have raised his value a bit and could probably fetch us something like a late pick. A team like Ottawa could be interested, Sutter is an upgrade on whoever they have centering their 3rd-4th line, plus hes UFA next off season so the risk is little

Ordinarily I'd say the Senators trading any assets for a possible one year rental makes no sense for them, as they are rebuilding. However, they have 17 draft picks in the 2020 draft. Doesn't make much sense for them to have that many picks. Most teams end up making trades for immediate help. The Sens could really turn things around pretty quickly with quality prospects, amount of cap space, and landfill of draft picks they have coming up.

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On 8/27/2020 at 6:06 AM, DonaldBrashear said:

No thanks. Quinn Hughes is going to be getting $10m a year. We can't afford $17m for two defensemen.

This

 

No thank you to acquiring OEL With Hughes, Edler, Benn, Juolevi, Tryamkin, Rathbone etc in the mix on LHD for the next few years.

 

If it were say... Aaron Ekblad I'd make sweet love to aquilini forever

 

Hughes Ekblad

Edler Myers

Tryamkin Rafferty

Juolevi Benn

 

:metal:

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5 hours ago, GhostsOf1994 said:

This

 

No thank you to acquiring OEL With Hughes, Edler, Benn, Juolevi, Tryamkin, Rathbone etc in the mix on LHD for the next few years.

 

If it were say... Aaron Ekblad I'd make sweet love to aquilini forever

 

Hughes Ekblad

Edler Myers

Tryamkin Rafferty

Juolevi Benn

 

:metal:

That would be pretty nice - although I think Rafferty will likely end up as trade bait and Rathbone will be the one who slots in 

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On 8/31/2020 at 8:49 AM, D-Money said:

You know, maybe I’m crazy, but with so many teams trying to cut salary in the short term, Loui Eriksson might be soon considered a tradable piece. After his 2020-21 bonus, he’s only owed $1M next year, but his $6M cap hit will help teams that have to get to the floor.

 

The following season he can be bought out for $2M, +$1M in 2022, but still have a $4M + $1M cap hit.

Ottawa and Arizona are two teams that could be interested in LE if you add the right prospect 

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9 minutes ago, IjustNEEDaTROYgamble said:

Ottawa and Arizona are two teams that could be interested in LE if you add the right prospect 

Both won't have trouble reaching the floor.  Adding Eriksson just increases the amount they are spending.  It's more cost efficient to simply promote a prospect or sign a player on a league minimum deal than paying Eriksson 5M over 2 years.

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2 hours ago, mll said:

Both won't have trouble reaching the floor.  Adding Eriksson just increases the amount they are spending.  It's more cost efficient to simply promote a prospect or sign a player on a league minimum deal than paying Eriksson 5M over 2 years.

Arizona won’t but Ottawa has over $12 million coming off LTIR and where are they going to find $12 million in cap space but not have to pay that in actual salary by taking on LE or another LTIR. League minimums are not going to make up $12 million. 

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