canuktravella Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 Resign- Markstrom hopefully he will sign 5 yr deal 6 mill per hes our mvp must sign means demko is trade bait Toffoli and Virtanen - if toffoli signs here sweet if hes gone Virtanen will be cheaper option one of these guys is here next yr others free agent or traded. Toffoli gonna sign for less than 6 i sure hope so if not see ya Gaudette and Macewen and Motte and Juolevi these guys will get reasonable deals. Who we let walk stecher - no cap to pay him 3 mill hes gard worker but size is a issue versus big teams tanev - can get a retirement money contract on free agent market we don't have cap to resign looks old and beat up on ice this series. Vets on block to be traded or bought out or retire. Ferland on to long term disability basically retired Hopefully eriksson and baertchi mutally void contracts frees 9.66 Buyout or retain half salary on sutter and roussel Trade Pearson for draft picks. Trade Demko for draft picks. Trade Virtanen for a decent right hand dman. half salary for sutter and half rousell for draft picks Key Draft players a right hand dman and a tough fast big hitter forward thats top fighter in chl we needa body guard for petey and hughes Next yr team miller petey boeser hoglander horvat virt/toffoli macewen gaudette lind beagle motte edler myers hughes rafferty juolevi benn markstrom dominque 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 13 minutes ago, canuktravella said: Key Draft players a right hand dman and a tough fast big hitter forward thats top fighter in chl we needa body guard for petey and hughes You aren't getting a 18 yearold body gaurd for Pete. Maybe get Gadjovich some skating lessons. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 16 minutes ago, Whalespray said: You aren't getting a 18 yearold body gaurd for Pete. Maybe get Gadjovich some skating lessons. had high hopes for Gadjovich, but aint looking promising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 2 hours ago, TNucks1 said: had high hopes for Gadjovich, but aint looking promising. He isn’t even 22 yet so I think he’ll be fine. But I will say, I kinda forgot about him with the amount of prospects we’ve accumulated recently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 4 hours ago, canuktravella said: Resign- Markstrom hopefully he will sign 5 yr deal 6 mill per hes our mvp must sign means demko is trade bait Toffoli and Virtanen - if toffoli signs here sweet if hes gone Virtanen will be cheaper option one of these guys is here next yr others free agent or traded. Toffoli gonna sign for less than 6 i sure hope so if not see ya Gaudette and Macewen and Motte and Juolevi these guys will get reasonable deals. Who we let walk stecher - no cap to pay him 3 mill hes gard worker but size is a issue versus big teams tanev - can get a retirement money contract on free agent market we don't have cap to resign looks old and beat up on ice this series. Vets on block to be traded or bought out or retire. Ferland on to long term disability basically retired Hopefully eriksson and baertchi mutally void contracts frees 9.66 Buyout or retain half salary on sutter and roussel Trade Pearson for draft picks. Trade Demko for draft picks. Trade Virtanen for a decent right hand dman. half salary for sutter and half rousell for draft picks Key Draft players a right hand dman and a tough fast big hitter forward thats top fighter in chl we needa body guard for petey and hughes Next yr team miller petey boeser hoglander horvat virt/toffoli macewen gaudette lind beagle motte edler myers hughes rafferty juolevi benn markstrom dominque Not bad, but I think..... 1) Too many of those guys would be forced into positions that they might not be entirely ready for (ie Hoglander on the 2nd line LW, Rafferty as your 2nd pairing RD, etc.), and this is also under the assumption that everyone is healthy. What would happen with injuries? 2) Too many new guys could affect our current team chemistry. One of the strengths of our current team is our team chemistry but there’s a lot of roster turnover in the above scenario. Would team chemistry be affected? 3) Goaltending: If Markstrom were to get injured, would you really want Domingue as your number one? I just think the above line-up has too many question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 (edited) Why would Bae void his contract? Nobody claimed him for free when he was put on waivers...in this new environment, he sure as heck ain’t going to get a better deal than what he’s paid right now. Turns 28 this October, so his upside is pretty limited at this point. Loui voided his contract is wishful thinking at this point. Might be a possibility after next season. Edited September 1, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 1, 2020 Share Posted September 1, 2020 How about: Resign Marky $6m......Toffoli $5m....Gaudette $1.5m....Motte $1.2m....MacEwen $1.2m Trade Boeser to CAR for Pesce $4.025m Offer sheet Cernak for $4.2m Trade Virtanen and Stecher RFA rights for picks (whatever we can get) LTIR for Ferland Waive Eriksson to save a little bit of salary Bring Baer back for his last year. No point letting him waste away in AHL. He has proven that his concussion symptoms are behind him and we could use his playmaking skills. Bring in Hoglander as 13th forward and Juolevi as 7th Dman. Call ups are Graovac, Eriksson, Lind, Rafferty, Rathbone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 3 hours ago, BigTramFan said: How about: Resign Marky $6m......Toffoli $5m....Gaudette $1.5m....Motte $1.2m....MacEwen $1.2m Trade Boeser to CAR for Pesce $4.025m Offer sheet Cernak for $4.2m Trade Virtanen and Stecher RFA rights for picks (whatever we can get) LTIR for Ferland Waive Eriksson to save a little bit of salary Bring Baer back for his last year. No point letting him waste away in AHL. He has proven that his concussion symptoms are behind him and we could use his playmaking skills. Bring in Hoglander as 13th forward and Juolevi as 7th Dman. Call ups are Graovac, Eriksson, Lind, Rafferty, Rathbone. Like idea of trading Boeser for top #2 D man-- Some of these fans want to keep everyone ..This is a good hockey move.. Must trade by position, most depth is wingers. weakest position is defence, Love Edler but he is 34 we must reduce his ice time and prevent injuries 19-20 mins .. Need young D man to log 23-25 mins with Hughes.. Myers, Edler should be playing 19-- 21 mins keep them healthy, Edlers logging way to many minutes... Tanve will want 4 X 4.8 million-- time to move on 31 in December has had serious injuries on his body... Risky to sign... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, wildcam said: Like idea of trading Boeser for top #2 D man-- Some of these fans want to keep everyone ..This is a good hockey move.. Must trade by position, most depth is wingers. weakest position is defence, Love Edler but he is 34 we must reduce his ice time and prevent injuries 19-20 mins .. Need young D man to log 23-25 mins with Hughes.. Myers, Edler should be playing 19-- 21 mins keep them healthy, Edlers logging way to many minutes... Tanve will want 4 X 4.8 million-- time to move on 31 in December has had serious injuries on his body... Risky to sign... I like it, although our forwards are thinner.......... I most definitely would rather have Baertschi up, than Eriksson I would probably send down or trade Benn and sign Tryamkin 4 years @2.5 Million Hughes - Pesce Edler - Cernak Tryamkin - Myers Juolevi That is a huge Defense! I think the Cap would be approx.$80,500,000 I would like to find a big defensive forward...........Eriksson Ek (Too expensive), Tierney (possibly), Luke Kunin (possibly) My biggest concern would be our re-signs, the following year......Hmmm? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whalespray Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I like it, although our forwards are thinner.......... I most definitely would rather have Baertschi up, than Eriksson I would probably send down or trade Benn and sign Tryamkin 4 years @2.5 Million Hughes - Pesce Edler - Cernak Tryamkin - Myers Juolevi That is a huge Defense! I think the Cap would be approx.$80,500,000 I would like to find a big defensive forward...........Eriksson Ek (Too expensive), Tierney (possibly), Luke Kunin (possibly) My biggest concern would be our re-signs, the following year......Hmmm? I am wary of giving Tram any term. I'd do a 1 year show me and re negotiate from there based on his performance and desire to actually be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 16 hours ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Why would Bae void his contract? Nobody claimed him for free when he was put on waivers...in this new environment, he sure as heck ain’t going to get a better deal than what he’s paid right now. Turns 28 this October, so his upside is pretty limited at this point. Loui voided his contract is wishful thinking at this point. Might be a possibility after next season. riding the bus in ahl might make them wannavoid it even if they wanna play for 700k on another team eriksson hasmade his money already i dont this hed care about a mill or2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 1 hour ago, canuktravella said: riding the bus in ahl might make them wannavoid it even if they wanna play for 700k on another team eriksson hasmade his money already i dont this hed care about a mill or2 There may well not be any AHL season next year, so Loui and Baer could otherwise be riding their couch and banking their salary. I guess two other things could factor significantly into whether they may void their contract: 1. How much escrow will they lose from their salary next year (and the year after for Loui) 2. Are they planning to continue their career past this contract I would expect Loui will probably retire in 2 years time, so there is no harm in sitting on the couch banking his salary during that period. Baer may be in a different boat. It might make sense for him to void his contract if the NHL is unlikely to pay him the full amount and especially if he has options to continue his career somewhere other than the NHL where the pay may be similar due to the NHL escrow deductions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, janisahockeynut said: I like it, although our forwards are thinner.......... I most definitely would rather have Baertschi up, than Eriksson I would probably send down or trade Benn and sign Tryamkin 4 years @2.5 Million Hughes - Pesce Edler - Cernak Tryamkin - Myers Juolevi That is a huge Defense! I think the Cap would be approx.$80,500,000 I would like to find a big defensive forward...........Eriksson Ek (Too expensive), Tierney (possibly), Luke Kunin (possibly) My biggest concern would be our re-signs, the following year......Hmmm? Tomas Nosek should be available for reasonably cheap, if we need an additional defensive forward that has size and versatility. Nosek is 6'2" 205 lb, 28 years, can play LW or C and can chip in offensively too (15 pts in 67 games this past season). He is UFA and coming off a $1.0m contract. P.S. Jan I agree that defense looks HUGE and would make a difference in the playoffs. Even with Benn instead of Tryamkin its a big D group. Let's remember we also have Juolevi knocking on the door (6'2", 182 lb) and Rathbone (who is only 5'10" 177 lb) who will bring more skill and finesse, rather than size. And will eventually fill that LD on the second and third pairing. So it will be nice to have those larger bodies on the RD side to pair them with. But I think that I'd rather start bringing through our younger forwards. There should be 1 or 2 spots up for grabs for a Lind, Hoglander, Lockwood, etc to earn out of training camp. Edited September 2, 2020 by BigTramFan Added P.S. comment 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) @BigTramFan The reason for the defensive line-up is that it allows for transition of players Hughes (20) 5'10" 170 lbs Cernak (23) 6'3" 233 lbs Edler (34) 6'3" 212 lbs Pesce (25) 6'3" 205 lbs Tryamkin (26) 6'7" 256 lbs Myers (30) 6'8" 229 lbs Juolevi (22) 6'2" 187 lbs ends up beng Hughes Cernak Rathbone (21) 5'11" 190 lbs Pesce Juolevi Tryamkin Woo (20) 6'0" 200 lbs Now, I believe this 2nd line-up allows for better injury transition, as both Hughes and Tryamkin can play both sides It is a solid, no nonsense Defense, with a pretty solid offensive side I do not think there is any debate this defense would be a solid penalty killing crew and as Juolevi and Rathbone develop, will also be a very good power play crew, with a lot of different looks It also allows for a killer 2nd power play pairing IMO, it would be one of the top defensive units in the league It would also still be a very young defense Edited September 2, 2020 by janisahockeynut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazurus Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 On 9/1/2020 at 6:02 AM, canuktravella said: Resign- Markstrom hopefully he will sign 5 yr deal 6 mill per hes our mvp must sign means demko is trade bait Toffoli and Virtanen - if toffoli signs here sweet if hes gone Virtanen will be cheaper option one of these guys is here next yr others free agent or traded. Toffoli gonna sign for less than 6 i sure hope so if not see ya Gaudette and Macewen and Motte and Juolevi these guys will get reasonable deals. Who we let walk stecher - no cap to pay him 3 mill hes gard worker but size is a issue versus big teams tanev - can get a retirement money contract on free agent market we don't have cap to resign looks old and beat up on ice this series. Vets on block to be traded or bought out or retire. Ferland on to long term disability basically retired Hopefully eriksson and baertchi mutally void contracts frees 9.66 Buyout or retain half salary on sutter and roussel Trade Pearson for draft picks. Trade Demko for draft picks. Trade Virtanen for a decent right hand dman. half salary for sutter and half rousell for draft picks Key Draft players a right hand dman and a tough fast big hitter forward thats top fighter in chl we needa body guard for petey and hughes Next yr team miller petey boeser hoglander horvat virt/toffoli macewen gaudette lind beagle motte edler myers hughes rafferty juolevi benn markstrom dominque No matter what is done next year's team will be less than this years, cap management will see to that as well as selling more of the future if they are not wise. This playoff is different, NO TRAVEL, for the first time ever the Canucks are not exposed due to their travel schedule. Many fans think that because the team got into the playoffs due to the Covid virus that this group is a finished or almost finished product, not so, the average age of the team is still closer to 28 next year. The team cap hit will be at least 1.7 mil less than the league average for the next two years, essentially 80 mil +/- 500 grand The last three years Demko has been the goalie of the future, why has that changed? Keeping Demko is the smart thing to do, he has come through the system and now some feel he is disposable? There are going to be a great many players available this FA season and if the Canucks are smart they will set themselves up to take advantage of both the expansion draft and other teams cap struggles. Markstrom is up for auction, Benning missed his chance to re-sign waaay back in January or December or November or even February, it will be his last big contract and there are many teams in the must win now that will have cap space, Anaheim, LA, Edmonton even Calgary or SJ and that is just this division, just see where the Oilers or Flames could have gone if their goalies had stolen a couple of games. Tanev might hang around but with at least an Edler or Myers type deal, other than that Montreal or TO will come knocking. Toffoli is going home to his wife in southern Cal. or they have to give him a pay increase. Juloevi has been exposed now, even the team doesn't think he is a 7-8 dman, so maybe add him to a package that moves Eriksson, although Eriksson's presence is only bad because of his cap hit Might get a bite in a retention deal for Beagle, these clauses make it difficult so not really counting on those deals unless it is a really big retention but then the team doesn't have enough good prospects to replace some of these guys Sure there will some guaranteed players hanging around, but a player move, a young good player like Boeser, I suggest him because his next contract will be huge in a flat cap era, at least 8 mil and that handcuffs the team for paying other young stars, maybe even one they get in a return through a draft pick or trades. The team is still rebuilding, they are not finished yet. Mobs of posters have been all about how great this team is for the last 5 years while they were losing 50 games a year so why not have a little more patience, two years, well next year anyway and set the team up cap wise and in player/prospects for another 10 years. This is the new NHL, planning has to be for the next two years not just today. miller petey boeser hoglander horvat virt/toffoli macewen gaudette lind beagle motte edler myers hughes rafferty juolevi benn markstrom dominque One thing this playoff has shown is the smaller defensemen are being beaten. Patience Two years from now; Pettersson, Hughes, Horvat, Virtanen, Demko, Myers, Fantenberg, Rafferty?, Miller, Holander, Polodozin, Tryamkin, 2021 1rst, MacEwen, Gaudette, DiPeitro, Motte, Lind, Rathbone? Woo, This line up so far is homegrown and doesn't count players traded for, like a BB for Dumba, pick, Greenwy or combination type deal, but is has cap management and space for in season massaging Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 (edited) Bring in hometown boy Brenden Dillon on defence! He’s 6’4” 225 pounds and finishes his checks! With Tanev’s age and injury history I wouldn’t pay top of the market but if Tanev really wants to be here and signs at a discount it’d be hard not to sign him. Canucks defence next year would be. Hughes Tanev Edler Dillon Myers Juolevi Competition for 6,7 and 8 (AHL) with Juolevi, Rafferty and Benn. Let Rathbone marinate while playing 20+ minutes a night in every situation in the AHL. Edited September 2, 2020 by flickyoursedin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 2 hours ago, flickyoursedin said: Bring in hometown boy Brenden Dillon on defence! He’s 6’4” 225 pounds and finishes his checks! With Tanev’s age and injury history I wouldn’t pay top of the market but if Tanev really wants to be here and signs at a discount it’d be hard not to sign him. Canucks defence next year would be. Hughes Tanev Edler Dillon Myers Juolevi Competition for 6,7 and 8 (AHL) with Juolevi, Rafferty and Benn. Let Rathbone marinate while playing 20+ minutes a night in every situation in the AHL. Doesn’t Dillon play on the left side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted September 3, 2020 Share Posted September 3, 2020 Operation let all UFA’s walk: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Pearson-Horvat-Virtanen Roussel-Gaudette-Sutter (Podkolzin in April) Motte-Beagle-MacEwen Hughes-Myers Edler-Stecher Juolevi-Benn Demko CheapVetBackUp The following year: Miller-Pettersson-Boeser Hoglander-Horvat-Podkolzin Roussel-Gaudette-Virtanen Motte-Beagle-MacEwen Hughes-Myers Juolevi-Stecher Tryamkin-Rafferty Demko Dipietro (I’m not saying this will happen nor should it happen. Just trying to play out a scenario where Benning let all/most UFA’s walk while signing RFA’s and making a deeper commitment to building for the long term). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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