[Proposal] Swap of bad Contracts

[CR7]

Eriksson to NJ for Schneider. Schneider has not had a good time in NJ and I'm sure they would like to more on... This would rid us for Eriksson without costing us. Would give us a good back up option to run with Demko and free up money for our other UFA's/RFA's. With a little over 12 Million we could re-up Tanev and possibly ink Toffoli. Thoughts?

[qwijibo]

Why does NJ do it? I’m not saying they wouldn’t. But give a reason why they would 

 

edit.  I see they save roughly $7m in real dollars over the two seasons.  That could be enough incentive.  Except they’d need another goalie to back up Blackwood. Which reduces that number considerably 

Edited September 11, 2020 by qwijibo

[JeremyCuddles]

What reason does NJ do this? Doesn't save em cap and Eriksson doesn't bring anything to their roster. 

[Drakrami]

Except.. it's already been reported to death our number 1 priority is to resign Markstrom. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

24 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

What reason does NJ do this? Doesn't save em cap and Eriksson doesn't bring anything to their roster. 

you should add "that they don't already have".  As bad as Eriksson is offensively (a black hole at this point in his career), he still is somewhat solid defensively.

[JM_]

I'd have a serious sit down with Ian Clark over this idea. If he thinks CS can improve enough to play 30 decent games.... 

 

its risky. I'd want a pick or really good prospect back since Loui only costs them 5 mil in real money and CS costs 12. 

[CR7]

28 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

What reason does NJ do this? Doesn't save em cap and Eriksson doesn't bring anything to their roster. 

Besides the 7 million in actual cash saving, Eriksson brings more experience to the bottom of their lineup. Brings defensive acumen and save the kids from those hard minutes they may not be ready for

[Provost]

17 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

Except.. it's already been reported to death our number 1 priority is to resign Markstrom. 

It has also been said straight from Benning's mouth that Demko is our starter of the future within the next year or two.  That means no NMC and a short term deal are what they would be offering Markstrom.  It is at least even money that Markstrom walks for a better deal somewhere else right now.

I don't know that this deal helps us much.  Schneider is no longer a capable goaltender.  We can get similar guys with better performance for under $2 million per for a 2 year deal that gives us someone to expose in expansion.  Eriksson's contract is easier to shed than Schneider's at this point at is is only paid $2.5 per year in real dollars and half the league apparently working with an internal cap moving forward.

To me, it would be Jersey having to give us a fairly hefty sweetener to do this deal.  Eating $7 million in actual dollars to swap guys who aren't good enough to be in the lineup is asking a lot of our ownership with no return on that investment.  We don't even save any cap room from it.  It would have to be a larger deal that returns us a lot of cap space or another big asset like our 1st back.

Edited September 11, 2020 by Provost

[CR7]

10 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

Except.. it's already been reported to death our number 1 priority is to resign Markstrom. 

Yes priority, but without a NMC. Is Marky ok with that, is he ok with being a back up? Bennings last interview he said Demko will be a starter in the next 2 seasons. Marky may just walk for security as it sounds like Benning is setting him up to be unprotected during the draft

[JeremyCuddles]

2 minutes ago, CR7 said:

Besides the 7 million in actual cash saving, Eriksson brings more experience to the bottom of their lineup. Brings defensive acumen and save the kids from those hard minutes they may not be ready for

Eriksson is solid defensively, but he's not a shutdown D people are pretending he is. And they can get that kind of player cheaper in free agency. Hell at this point could arguge Cracknell is on par with Eriksson as a bottom 6 guy. And on the cash savings part. Why would Aquaman want to pay Eriksson his bonus money, then take on 12 mil in Schneider? Lol. It just doesn't make any sense for either side. I'd rather run Domingue rather than Schneider, Aquaman isn't trying to throw money away at every bad contract in the league. And they can get a good defensive vet for cheaper in free agency. He adds nothing to their roster that can't be added through free agency for cheaper.

[CR7]

1 minute ago, N7Nucks said:

Eriksson is solid defensively, but he's not a shutdown D people are pretending he is. And they can get that kind of player cheaper in free agency. Hell at this point could arguge Cracknell is on par with Eriksson as a bottom 6 guy. And on the cash savings part. Why would Aquaman want to pay Eriksson his bonus money, then take on 12 mil in Schneider? Lol. It just doesn't make any sense for either side. I'd rather run Domingue rather than Schneider, Aquaman isn't trying to throw money away at every bad contract in the league. And they can get a good defensive vet for cheaper in free agency. He adds nothing to their roster that can't be added through free agency for cheaper.

I said defensive acumen, not a shutdown D, I'm not sure I have ever pretended this guy is that.

 

It's not about adding, it's about solving an issue... If Marky walks, we make this trade to have a back up, no more or less cap space used... We keep Eriksson and Marky walks we pay money to bring in someone to fill the void, cost more cap dollars... Doing this trade we still have our 12+ million in cap space to work with to sign those free agents.

[KirkSave]

1 hour ago, CR7 said:

Marky may just walk for security as it sounds like Benning is setting him up to be unprotected during the draft

As long as Marky gets the term and dollars he is happy with, despite a not being offered a NMC, he might take the deal. He loves the city, his team mates and has had a taste of success, making the playoffs and winning a few rounds.

 

Also, going to Seattle wouldn't be awful. It is basically Vancouver south but with worse traffic. It is a beautiful place to call home and their facilities will be top notch. I can see Marky signing with us and being ok "expsoing" himself during the expansion, whether it be a 2 year or 5 year deal, or somewhere in b/w.

 

He doesn't seem like someone who will sign somewhere purely for the most $. He is a competitor and wants to play for a winning team and we are just entering into this realm. If Pittsburgh moves on from Murray, maybe they go hard after Marky?

 

Lots of moving parts and options for GM's in the goalie market this fall. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out. I hope we resign Marky for 3-4 years around 5 per.

[CallAfterLife]

1 hour ago, Provost said:

It has also been said straight from Benning's mouth that Demko is our starter of the future within the next year or two.  That means no NMC and a short term deal are what they would be offering Markstrom.  It is at least even money that Markstrom walks for a better deal somewhere else right now.

I don't know that this deal helps us much.  Schneider is no longer a capable goaltender.  We can get similar guys with better performance for under $2 million per for a 2 year deal that gives us someone to expose in expansion.  Eriksson's contract is easier to shed than Schneider's at this point at is is only paid $2.5 per year in real dollars and half the league apparently working with an internal cap moving forward.

To me, it would be Jersey having to give us a fairly hefty sweetener to do this deal.  Eating $7 million in actual dollars to swap guys who aren't good enough to be in the lineup is asking a lot of our ownership with no return on that investment.  We don't even save any cap room from it.  It would have to be a larger deal that returns us a lot of cap space or another big asset like our 1st back.

NJ does have our original first this year. I wouldn't mind having the 20th pick back. 

[mll]

The Devils might just buy Schneider out rather than give up an asset to move him.  They are still rebuilding.  Seems rather unlikely that they'd use up an asset to move him when they don't even need the cap space.  

 

He would be a 2M cap hit for another 4 years - that's manageable.  It saves them 4M in salary.

[Provost]

51 minutes ago, mll said:

The Devils might just buy Schneider out rather than give up an asset to move him.  They are still rebuilding.  Seems rather unlikely that they'd use up an asset to move him when they don't even need the cap space.  

 

He would be a 2M cap hit for another 4 years - that's manageable.  It saves them 4M in salary.

That is more likely than trading with us at all unless it is part of a bigger deal, but the original idea of us eating the extra $7 million in salary just to swap bad contracts just doesn’t make any sense.

[Nuxfanabroad]

The buyout-aspect is why this could fly. If we suffered through 1 more season of such contracts.

 

end of 2021 season, buyout: LouiE is 4 mill & then 1 mill(due to bonuses)

But Cory S is only 2 mill & 2 mill.(more manageable)

 

Imagine in 2022 having Lu & Cory penalizing us with $5,000,000 in cap hit? RiggedCasinoLeague & media would love to snicker at that.

[Phil_314]

3 hours ago, Robert Long said:

I'd have a serious sit down with Ian Clark over this idea. If he thinks CS can improve enough to play 30 decent games.... 

its risky. I'd want a pick or really good prospect back since Loui only costs them 5 mil in real money and CS costs 12. 

Good point.  If Marky is to walk and he sees something in Cory that he can bring back the potential starter in him then I'm all for it.
I did check on the NJ forum and saw a similar proposal made and some fans didn't want to lose their backup and saw Loui as blocking the way for younger forwards.
Honestly I'm not the most well versed on their team but sounds like for them it might not fly.

[CR7]

2 hours ago, KirkSave said:

As long as Marky gets the term and dollars he is happy with, despite a not being offered a NMC, he might take the deal. He loves the city, his team mates and has had a taste of success, making the playoffs and winning a few rounds.

 

Also, going to Seattle wouldn't be awful. It is basically Vancouver south but with worse traffic. It is a beautiful place to call home and their facilities will be top notch. I can see Marky signing with us and being ok "expsoing" himself during the expansion, whether it be a 2 year or 5 year deal, or somewhere in b/w.

 

He doesn't seem like someone who will sign somewhere purely for the most $. He is a competitor and wants to play for a winning team and we are just entering into this realm. If Pittsburgh moves on from Murray, maybe they go hard after Marky?

 

Lots of moving parts and options for GM's in the goalie market this fall. Going to be interesting to see how it all pans out. I hope we resign Marky for 3-4 years around 5 per.

You think Marky will stay if he gets term and dollars he is happy with, knowing he could be moving to Seattle in a year? Maybe that works for him, or maybe he wants security being 30 this could be his last contract, signs for 6 @ 6 somewhere with a NMC... Will definitely be an interesting off season

[KirkSave]

1 hour ago, CR7 said:

You think Marky will stay if he gets term and dollars he is happy with, knowing he could be moving to Seattle in a year?

I do if that is what he decides. But I also see him seeing what the UFA market will bear. Lots of teams could use a solid number 1 such as Buffalo, Edmonton, Pittsburgh, Calgary, Detroit and Ottawa, Carolina, Chicago, Colorado.

 

I think lots of these teams above could offer him more term and $ then what JB wants to spend, especially since TD is the heir apparent as per his 1040 interview from the other day.

 

If he doesn't sign in Vancouver, I see Colorado, Calgary and Pittsburgh vying hard for his services.

[Ronaldoescobar]

Dont see NJ or any other team taking LE unless comes with EP, Hughes, or a couple of picks (probably at least a 1st and 3nd rounder) . LE is a nuck until his contract (arguably the worst in the entire NHL) expires or he retires.