AC Readership Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) To NYR: Boeser To Van: K'Andre Miller and 2020 22nd OA/Nils Lundkvist Miller would give the Canucks D more size and is on an ELC. The 22nd OA would allow the Canucks to get back into the 1st Rd this draft/Lundkvist isn't signed yet by the NYR and plays RD which is a huge need for the Canucks. NYR needs more scoring from their top 6 and Boeser has the potential to score 40 goals if healthy. Boeser is under contract for 2 more years and will be a RFA which NYR can get 5-6 years of control. Boeser is a proven goal scorer, Miller and possibly Lundkvist are unprovenat the NHL level.. My take: I don't want to trade Boeser, but the Canucks won't be able to afford him in 2 years with Pettersson's and Hughes's upcoming contracts next offseason. Should they wait or be proactive is the question. Also don't know if NYR can and will do this deal with still being able to resign their RFAs besides having the 1st OA. Love or hate them, NYR has done a great job of drafting and developing their draft picks in addition to good asset management. Edited September 13, 2020 by AC Readership Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriGold2.0 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Whos Miller ? JT Miller was a Ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, AriGold2.0 said: Whos Miller ? JT Miller was a Ranger. K'Andre Miller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Interesting proposal. Could you tell us more detail on this Lundqvist kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Nuxfanabroad said: Interesting proposal. Could you tell us more detail on this Lundqvist kid? Biggest question is will he be able to defend at the NHL or is like a Tyson Barrie type player cause the offensive and transition game skills are already there. https://www.lohud.com/story/sports/nhl/rangers/2020/05/13/top-10-prospects-ny-rangers-no-3-nils-lundkvist/5183412002/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 58 minutes ago, AC Readership said: To NYR: Boeser To Van: K'Andre Miller and 2020 22nd OA/Nils Lundkvist Miller would give the Canucks D more size and is on an ELC. The 22nd OA would allow the Canucks to get back into the 1st Rd this draft/Lundkvist isn't signed yet by the NYR and plays RD which is a huge need for the Canucks. NYR needs more scoring from their top 6 and Boeser has the potential to score 40 goals if healthy. Boeser is under contract for 2 more years and will be a RFA which NYR can get 5-6 years of control. Boeser is a proven goal scorer, Miller and possibly Lundkvist are unprovenat the NHL level.. My take: I don't want to trade Boeser, but the Canucks won't be able to afford him in 2 years with Pettersson's and Hughes's upcoming contracts next offseason. Should they wait or be proactive is the question. Also don't know if NYR can and will do this deal with still being able to resign their RFAs besides having the 1st OA. Love or hate them, NYR has done a great job of drafting and developing their draft picks in addition to good asset management. I disagree with the bolded. ~$20.5m in cap space freed up next offseason, with Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, and Lu Recapture ($15m) off the books the following offseason, and the cap may go up by the time Boeser needs to be re-signed as well. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) NYR's top-6 has been more productive than the Canucks' top-6. The top-5 Fs on each team: Panarin 95 Miller 72 - that's a 23 point difference to Panarin and also 3 less than Zibanejad who has played 12 games less Zibanejad 75 Pettersson 66 Strome 59 Horvat 53 - 6 more than Horvat being their C2 Buchnevich 46 Pearson 45 Kreider 45 Boeser 45 Zibanejad only played 57 games like Boeser. Kreider played 63. Boeser's qualifying offer is 7.5M. NYR won't be able to afford him either. They have Zibanejad to re-sign. They just drafted Kakko and will most certainly take Lafreniere and will need 2nd contracts too. Adding Boeser also blocks them. NYR has just under 14.4 in cap space with only 15 players. Strome (59pts), DeAngelo (53pt) need new contracts. They'll probably buyout Lundqvist but he would still be a 5.5M cap hit. NYR are 5th in the league in goals for - it's defensively that they have struggled where they have allowed the 8th most goals against. They probably have to improve their Ds more than their scoring. On D they have Smith who they waived two years ago and Staal. Edited September 13, 2020 by mll 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 50 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: I disagree with the bolded. ~$20.5m in cap space freed up next offseason, with Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, and Lu Recapture ($15m) off the books the following offseason, and the cap may go up by the time Boeser needs to be re-signed as well. By the time those three contracts and recapture come off the books, Hughes & Pettersson ELC’s comes off the books as well. Both will eat up a good chunk of that free’d up cap space. Plus, those three guys coming off the book still have to be replaced by some warm body. Its still workable but we can’t afford another Eriksson contract mistake. Edited September 13, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 the trade Boeser threads have me thinking, what kind of d upgrade are we really looking for? just size? a cheaper version of Tanev? puck moving? a top pairing stud? it might help with these proposals if we decided on what the Canucks really need. Maybe its available in free agency and we don't need to move Brock yet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Chickenspear said: I disagree with the bolded. ~$20.5m in cap space freed up next offseason, with Eriksson, Beagle, Roussel, and Lu Recapture ($15m) off the books the following offseason, and the cap may go up by the time Boeser needs to be re-signed as well. all the above players have 2 years left AFTER this season on the books, thank the GM for those long term cap crunching contracts handed out followed up with twiggy the Giraffe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenspear Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said: all the above players have 2 years left AFTER this season on the books, thank the GM for those long term cap crunching contracts handed out followed up with twiggy the Giraffe I know Beags and co. have 2 years left on their contracts, I'm saying those will be up the same offseason we need to re-sign Boeser. As for your Myers comment, it was well covered that he was expected to get between $7m-$8m before we signed him. he may be ~$1m overpaid, but it's definitely not the worst signing. On the Bottom 6 overpayments, the rebuild is a year or 2 ahead of schedule, and those contracts were signed with that in mind. Vancouver wasn't an attractive market at the time either, which also results in spending more to entice those necessary players to sign here. Couldn't have forecasted Covid keeping the cap flat either, which wouldn't have made those deals so detrimental this offseason had the cap gone up. 23 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: By the time those three contracts and recapture come off the books, Hughes & Pettersson ELC’s comes off the books as well. Both will eat up a good chunk of that free’d up cap space. Plus, those three guys coming off the book still have to be replaced by some warm body. Its still workable but we can’t afford another Eriksson contract mistake. JB already alluded to not going through free agency to upgrade the team, rather promote from within (where I expect the bottom 6 replacements will come from), or through trades, so I'm not so worried about another "Eriksson signing" this time around. I could see Petey and Hughes taking team friendly bridge contracts, at least until the cap recovers. Depending how Hogs and Podz turn out, and Boeser's performance, I would consider trading his RFA rights when it comes to a new contract. If he does well, and it turns out we are up against the cap, we could get the maximum value out of him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Chickenspear said: I know Beags and co. have 2 years left on their contracts, I'm saying those will be up the same offseason we need to re-sign Boeser. As for your Myers comment, it was well covered that he was expected to get between $7m-$8m before we signed him. he may be ~$1m overpaid, but it's definitely not the worst signing. On the Bottom 6 overpayments, the rebuild is a year or 2 ahead of schedule, and those contracts were signed with that in mind. Vancouver wasn't an attractive market at the time either, which also results in spending more to entice those necessary players to sign here. Couldn't have forecasted Covid keeping the cap flat either, which wouldn't have made those deals so detrimental this offseason had the cap gone up. JB already alluded to not going through free agency to upgrade the team, rather promote from within (where I expect the bottom 6 replacements will come from), or through trades, so I'm not so worried about another "Eriksson signing" this time around. I could see Petey and Hughes taking team friendly bridge contracts, at least until the cap recovers. Depending how Hogs and Podz turn out, and Boeser's performance, I would consider trading his RFA rights when it comes to a new contract. If he does well, and it turns out we are up against the cap, we could get the maximum value out of him. Never said he was. Issue is, because of the other real awful contracts, we don't really have any flexibility for "slightly" overpay other contracts on the team. As I've said, it's still doable but it makes the margin for error quite small. Glad to hear we're not going to be major players in the free agency market (as generally ALL players there are going to be overpaid....though it's difficult to tell with this pandemic added to the mix). The main negative thing I've said about Myers is that he has to get his offensive production up. Edited September 13, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bree2 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, AC Readership said: K'Andre Miller never heard of him, Edited September 13, 2020 by bree2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 IMO trading Boeser is just a lateral move. Pettersson Miller Horvat Boeser The Canucks only have four legit top 6 forwards (hopefully they can sign Toffoli). If they find a way to sign both Tanev and Toffoli, they still need one more top 6 forward and one more top 4 dman. The only way they are going to get it is by giving up picks/prospects and tacking on dead weight to free up cap space. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, Down by the River said: IMO trading Boeser is just a lateral move. Pettersson Miller Horvat Boeser The Canucks only have four legit top 6 forwards (hopefully they can sign Toffoli). If they find a way to sign both Tanev and Toffoli, they still need one more top 6 forward and one more top 4 dman. The only way they are going to get it is by giving up picks/prospects and tacking on dead weight to free up cap space. Tanner Pearson is a legit top 6 forward. He's not a 'high end' one but he's definitely there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCNate Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, AC Readership said: To NYR: Boeser To Van: K'Andre Miller and 2020 22nd OA/Nils Lundkvist Miller would give the Canucks D more size and is on an ELC. The 22nd OA would allow the Canucks to get back into the 1st Rd this draft/Lundkvist isn't signed yet by the NYR and plays RD which is a huge need for the Canucks. NYR needs more scoring from their top 6 and Boeser has the potential to score 40 goals if healthy. Boeser is under contract for 2 more years and will be a RFA which NYR can get 5-6 years of control. Boeser is a proven goal scorer, Miller and possibly Lundkvist are unprovenat the NHL level.. My take: I don't want to trade Boeser, but the Canucks won't be able to afford him in 2 years with Pettersson's and Hughes's upcoming contracts next offseason. Should they wait or be proactive is the question. Also don't know if NYR can and will do this deal with still being able to resign their RFAs besides having the 1st OA. Love or hate them, NYR has done a great job of drafting and developing their draft picks in addition to good asset management. Boeser is getting paid just shy of 6 million. Not sure he has done much to prove that he should be paid much more than that. Maybe at the end of this deal he is 6.75 -7 million? I don't feel he is going to be in line for a much bigger deal than that. He is a good player, but not elite by any means. We can find the million or million and a half to pay him for his next deal pretty easily. Honest question, do you feel he has/will earn a deal north of 8 million? Given how he has progressed, what do you feel he is worth on a 5 year deal currently and 2 years down the road? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCanuck94 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Nils Lundkvist has probably had his value sky rocket after that last season in the SHL. Not sure if NYR makes that trade. Maybe a Boeser for Lundkvist 1 for 1 would entice them if we're lucky, getting us that future top 4/potential top pair guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, Robert Long said: the trade Boeser threads have me thinking, what kind of d upgrade are we really looking for? just size? a cheaper version of Tanev? puck moving? a top pairing stud? it might help with these proposals if we decided on what the Canucks really need. Maybe its available in free agency and we don't need to move Brock yet. Bingo. Hamonic and Brodie are both considered lateral or improvements on both Tanev and Stetcher - I’m sure a lot would disagree but Tanevs name isn’t usually in the top five UFAs coming up for Ds. Personally if we could get either at a discount it’s worth considering. Covid might finally keep GMs from opening up brinks trucks for these guys. Edit: Even last year some of this trend was starting to appear...Gardiner who a lot had going for 5-6 x 5 had no takers and eventually went for I think 4 to CAR. Those are good value deals. Edited September 13, 2020 by IBatch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil_314 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) I liked K'Andre after watching footage as he's a former 1st round pick with size and speed (left handed D man). Think he and Hughes would pair really well. That being said, don't forget that the Rangers are drafting Lafreniere and doubt they'd need to add someone like Boeser when they already have Buchnevich and Kakko (2nd overall in the Jack Hughes draft). They already run the following top-6: Panarin - Zibanejad - Buchnevich Kreider - Strome - Kakko (Lafreniere could potentially play on LW and bump Kreider to the right as he's played both sides) Maybe they'll use one or some assets to package with Lundqvist's expiring contract to free up $8.5 million in cap? Shesterkin and Georgiev are ready to run the show in the crease for the Rangers, and a big chunk of their money will go to Strome, DeAngelo and Georgiev (all RFA). Edited September 13, 2020 by Phil_314 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, BCNate said: Boeser is getting paid just shy of 6 million. Not sure he has done much to prove that he should be paid much more than that. Maybe at the end of this deal he is 6.75 -7 million? I don't feel he is going to be in line for a much bigger deal than that. He is a good player, but not elite by any means. We can find the million or million and a half to pay him for his next deal pretty easily. Honest question, do you feel he has/will earn a deal north of 8 million? Given how he has progressed, what do you feel he is worth on a 5 year deal currently and 2 years down the road? The problem is that his agent negotiated a final year of 7.5 mil. While it doesn't count for that much against the cap, if we want to retain his right we have to qualify him at the end of his contract. The qualifying offer cannot be lower then 7.5 mil. That means that resigning him for 6 million is out of the question.... and that's really a big problem that his agent has placed before us. I think everybody is happy to have Brock on the team, just not at 7.5 mil/season. Edit: and to answer your question, to me he's playing like a 5 mil/year player. Unless he gets back to being his old explosive self, I don't think he's worth more then 6 mil/year. Edited September 13, 2020 by VancouverHabitant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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