Toews Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Pros RHD UFA Experienced Cup Winner Likely future member of the Triple Gold Club Would likely be a decent buffer for Tryamkin/Podkolzin Cons Convicted Wife-beater Hasn't played in the NHL in a while Obviously what he did is heinous, but based on his experience, accolades and the position that he plays, he holds considerable value. He would fill a need for us and will probably only require a 1 year 'show me' contract ie. doesn't need to be protected in expansion draft. Worth pursuing or not is the question... The upside is a top pairing RHD...the downside... well you already know what it is. Edited September 13, 2020 by Toews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 Absolutely not. The Canucks have a strong, positive dressing room culture & they don't need to give this player a "show me contract" at the risk of poisoning that. 1 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoKnows Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Don't need this guy in the locker room 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Character matters. You want that pathetic excuse for a man around our young players? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 The Canucks overachieved in the bubble. I think part of it has to do with how close they are off-ice. The guys had wives, newborn children, DOGS, to go home to... and they certainly were happy to be back, but nobody wanted to leave. Don't want some douchebag coming in and throwing off the vibe. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted September 13, 2020 Author Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, King Heffy said: Character matters. You want that pathetic excuse for a man around our young players? True but a good culture can accept one or two questionable characters. I also make no presumptions about Voynov's character nor his professionalism. As far as I know there was never an issue in the locker room in his time in LA. If he can fall in line then he can be a useful player for the Canucks. But this thread is mostly to gauge how people feel about potentially signing him. It is my personal belief that people can grow and should be given the opportunity to make up for the mistakes that they make in their life. Before anything I think a decent psych evaluation would be necessary. I would also talk to his teammates and coaches to get a better sense of how he interacts with those around him. But what he did does not preclude me from considering signing him, as long as I see some remorse/repentance and maybe some growth. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down by the River Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Toews said: True but a good culture can accept one or two questionable characters. I also make no presumptions about Voynov's character nor his professionalism. As far as I know there was never an issue in the locker room in his time in LA. If he can fall in line then he can be a useful player for the Canucks. But this thread is mostly to gauge how people feel about potentially signing him. It is my personal belief that people can grow and should be given the opportunity to make up for the mistakes that they make in their life. Before anything I think a decent psych evaluation would be necessary. I would also talk to his teammates and coaches to get a better sense of how he interacts with those around him. But what he did does not preclude me from considering signing him, as long as I see some remorse/repentance and maybe some growth. There should always be room for forgiveness, but that doesn't also mean you get to return to the exact same life you had. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CallAfterLife Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 The team and the fanbase just don't need the drama that this would bring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamhuis Hip Check Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Pto at most and it would still leave a bad taste in my mouth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Nothing about Benning says he would be interested in this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fanuck Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Benning from day 1, "We want to build a championship caliber team with personal character being one of the cornerstones of every player we bring here." Tiny tone deaf part of CDC, "How do you feel about domestic violence Jim"? Edited September 13, 2020 by Fanuck 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Toews said: True but a good culture can accept one or two questionable characters. I also make no presumptions about Voynov's character nor his professionalism. As far as I know there was never an issue in the locker room in his time in LA. If he can fall in line then he can be a useful player for the Canucks. But this thread is mostly to gauge how people feel about potentially signing him. It is my personal belief that people can grow and should be given the opportunity to make up for the mistakes that they make in their life. Before anything I think a decent psych evaluation would be necessary. I would also talk to his teammates and coaches to get a better sense of how he interacts with those around him. But what he did does not preclude me from considering signing him, as long as I see some remorse/repentance and maybe some growth. He's far worse than a questionable character, and would be a cancer in this room where our players are respectable men, both on and off the ice. Questionable character would be a guy who's a little lazy like Virtanen, not a subhuman waste of garbage who belongs in prison. He shouldn't be allowed in this country, and I would be looking for another team to support this waste of oxygen. What he did is unforgivable and I want no part of preventing him from starving to death. Edited September 13, 2020 by King Heffy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Amebushi Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 I’d much rather listen to Bo, tell his team that there is a wife beater in the other locker room and watch some grown men kick his ass all night than give him one minute in Canucks colours. Character matters... same reason I wouldn’t let Marchand in our room if they promised us the Gary Bettman memorial (Stanley) cup for doing it. Rather lose with I team I respect than win with one I can’t. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) Would be too much of a lockerroom distraction unfortunately. I want a top pairing RD as much as the next guy but not like this. Edited September 13, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Hell no. He's a woman beater who basically fled prosecution instead of atone for his actions. He'll never return to the NHL and he shouldn't. No way any team in the NHL ever allows him to come back into the legal. He can stay in the KHL forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuckin_futz Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, Quantum said: Hell no. He's a woman beater who basically fled prosecution instead of atone for his actions. He'll never return to the NHL and he shouldn't. No way any team in the NHL ever allows him to come back into the legal. He can stay in the KHL forever. For the record, he did not flee prosecution. He plead 'no contest' to what he was charged with was given a 90 day sentence and served the full 90 days. Upon release he was taken into custody and held without bond by ICE to await an immigration hearing. Basically to decide if he could remain in the States. He elected to return to Russia rather than go through the hearing. It's a solid no for me on Voynov. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Phil_314 Posted September 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 13, 2020 (edited) PTO at the start only, and that's after conducting background checks and interviews to see where he is at mentally and character-wise. That said, while I'm probably of the minority, I do believe that people can change and if they do then I'd sign him. Put it this way, when Kobe (RIP) had his rape allegations, if you were the Lakers would you have wanted to not bring him back? Evander Kane had anger issues and didn't gel well with Byfuglien (if memory serves correctly); Hoffman and Karlsson had beef, while some young Sens showed lack of maturity with the taxi cab incident; Kassian had drinking problems, Seguin and others were notorious partiers, heck even Markstrom had anger issues earlier on. Honestly no one's a saint and I wouldn't want to throw him under the bus so quickly if indeed he's a changed man. Edited September 13, 2020 by Phil_314 1 1 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 No. Wife/ women abuse does not fly anywhere in society. I'd rather lose then win with an abuser. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilya Mikheyev Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Toews said: True but a good culture can accept one or two questionable characters. I also make no presumptions about Voynov's character nor his professionalism. As far as I know there was never an issue in the locker room in his time in LA. If he can fall in line then he can be a useful player for the Canucks. But this thread is mostly to gauge how people feel about potentially signing him. It is my personal belief that people can grow and should be given the opportunity to make up for the mistakes that they make in their life. Before anything I think a decent psych evaluation would be necessary. I would also talk to his teammates and coaches to get a better sense of how he interacts with those around him. But what he did does not preclude me from considering signing him, as long as I see some remorse/repentance and maybe some growth. 1 hour ago, Phil_314 said: PTO at the start only, and that's after conducting background checks and interviews to see where he is at mentally and character-wise. That said, while I'm probably of the minority, I do believe that people can change and if they do then I'd sign him. Put it this way, when Kobe (RIP) had his rape allegations, if you were the Lakers would you have wanted to not bring him back? Evander Kane had anger issues and didn't gel well with Byfuglien (if memory serves correctly); Hoffman and Karlsson had beef, while some young Sens showed lack of maturity with the taxi cab incident; Kassian had drinking problems, Seguin and others were notorious partiers, heck even Markstrom had anger issues earlier on. Honestly no one's a saint and I wouldn't want to throw him under the bus so quickly if indeed he's a changed man. You're really (outside of Kobe) gonna equate anger or partying with domestic abuse? Being allowed to play hockey in the KHL for the rest of his working life is plenty enough redemption for Voynov. The Canucks don't need to take him on as charity. No thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Phil_314 said: PTO at the start only, and that's after conducting background checks and interviews to see where he is at mentally and character-wise. That said, while I'm probably of the minority, I do believe that people can change and if they do then I'd sign him. Put it this way, when Kobe (RIP) had his rape allegations, if you were the Lakers would you have wanted to not bring him back? Evander Kane had anger issues and didn't gel well with Byfuglien (if memory serves correctly); Hoffman and Karlsson had beef, while some young Sens showed lack of maturity with the taxi cab incident; Kassian had drinking problems, Seguin and others were notorious partiers, heck even Markstrom had anger issues earlier on. Honestly no one's a saint and I wouldn't want to throw him under the bus so quickly if indeed he's a changed man. Hoffman didn’t have a beef with Karlsson, the ladies had a beef with Hoffman’s girlfriend who made some bad taste comments - and the media ate it up. It definitely became a distraction though - nobody had any issues with Hoffman’s character though and he’s from all reports a good teammate. That 24 month time in the Sens life was like a reality TV show gone bad. Family team BBQs that left outdoor patios and actual people on fire, Duchene and his entitled immature language in cab-gate, and Karlssons unhappiness that he wasn’t going to get a contract worthy of his contributions during his second one. All ran by Melnyk who’s own company locked him out of the board and has watched his fortunes erode all the while still alive because of a plea to all the fans out there for a matching liver donor. Couldn’t make some of this stuff up. After 11 years of living 45 minutes from the gate to their arena, watching a few games plus the one time a year the Canucks come instead of allowing a small part of me to cheer for them a bit i mostly just feel sorry for OTT fans, as a city - as they go it’s super clean and actually pretty cool. I’m happy they seem to finally have their sh!t together and that they managed such a good start on their rebuild - but would definitely not want anything close to like that in our dressing room or wish it anyone else’s . So hard pass on Voynov, doubt the NHL would even give him the chance. Consider it part of his penance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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