Jump to content
The Official Site of the Vancouver Canucks
Canucks Community

BC Politics/Election Thread: NDP Win Majority, BC Liberals Seek New Leader


Recommended Posts

19 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

well, yeah he kinda did say something wrong. Pretty damn heartless for those that have lost people.

 

I just think its funny in the BC media, Horgan can get away with this kind of thing. You know if Wilkinson said this, or god forbid Clarke or Campbell, it would be.a different story. 

context matters

 

horgan says it, it's just another flub from the lame dad

 

wilkinson says it, it's just another callous comment from a callous person

 

the issue shouldn't be WHY ARE WE LETTING HORGAN GET AWAY WITH AN INSENSITIVE STATEMENT!!! instead it should be why do people hold politicians to the impossible standard of never making a mistake? the result is a spin system where politicians are forever passing the buck, never honest, rarely admit their mistakes and are forced to double, triple down on ways they're wrong  

 

the amount of bandwidth the moronic journalists in this province have spent on discussing horgan flubs is enough to feed their families for the year, and literally nothing has come of it because it doesn't matter because horgan is popular in areas that actually do matter

  • Hydration 1
  • Vintage 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, GLASSJAW said:

context matters

 

horgan says it, it's just another flub from the lame dad

 

wilkinson says it, it's just another callous comment from a callous person

 

the issue shouldn't be WHY ARE WE LETTING HORGAN GET AWAY WITH AN INSENSITIVE STATEMENT!!! instead it should be why do people hold politicians to the impossible standard of never making a mistake? the result is a spin system where politicians are forever passing the buck, never honest, rarely admit their mistakes and are forced to double, triple down on ways they're wrong  

 

the amount of bandwidth the moronic journalists in this province have spent on discussing horgan flubs is enough to feed their families for the year, and literally nothing has come of it because it doesn't matter because horgan is popular in areas that actually do matter

what is the standard? 

Link to post
Share on other sites
  • 1 month later...

Man I feel for people that have to commute on the Massey. It took 4 years, and 1 billion more, and the NDP is delivering the same traffic delays :picard: 

 

No relief in peak times for commuters. None. 

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-immersed-business-case?auto=true

 

New $4.15 billion George Massey Tunnel with eight lanes confirmed by BC government

Edited by Jimmy McGill
Link to post
Share on other sites
15 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Man I feel for people that have to commute on the Massey. It took 4 years, and 1 billion more, and the NDP is delivering the same traffic delays :picard: 

 

No relief in peak times for commuters. None. 

 

https://dailyhive.com/vancouver/george-massey-tunnel-immersed-business-case?auto=true

 

New $4.15 billion George Massey Tunnel with eight lanes confirmed by BC government

I'm not up to speed.

 

Could they have gone with a bridge? or was that a big ship problem...

 

This seems like a lot of money...I don't like tunnels, feel a bit claustrophobic. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

I'm not up to speed.

 

Could they have gone with a bridge? or was that a big ship problem...

 

This seems like a lot of money...I don't like tunnels, feel a bit claustrophobic. 

Horgan killed the bridge because he said there would be cheaper options that had better traffic flow. 

 

Now he's providing a more expensive option that doesn't help daily commuters. 

 

More money, same bottleneck. 

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

Horgan killed the bridge because he said there would be cheaper options that had better traffic flow. 

 

Now he's providing a more expensive option that doesn't help daily commuters. 

 

More money, same bottleneck. 

Whats better for the ships? gotta be the tunnel right?

 

I thought I remembered some environmental concerns/opinions etc...

 

That commute is brutal, done it quite a bit but thank god not for work, so when i got caught I could somewhat deal with it. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
12 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

Whats better for the ships? gotta be the tunnel right?

 

I thought I remembered some environmental concerns/opinions etc...

 

That commute is brutal, done it quite a bit but thank god not for work, so when i got caught I could somewhat deal with it. 

it needed more management of ship traffic but it didn't prevent it. We'll have to see a bridge there eventually, so looks like we'll end up with both 20 years from now.

 

But I'm sure it being better for ships will be a big comfort to people spending 10 hours a week in the new tunnel. 

 

Its just such a good example of what happens when things like this become a political football. 

  • Hydration 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 hour ago, Jimmy McGill said:

it needed more management of ship traffic but it didn't prevent it. We'll have to see a bridge there eventually, so looks like we'll end up with both 20 years from now.

 

But I'm sure it being better for ships will be a big comfort to people spending 10 hours a week in the new tunnel. 

 

Its just such a good example of what happens when things like this become a political football. 

Enbridge has expertise on underwater tunnels. Line 5 is on hold so they can take it on. ⚒ Throw a gas line in while they’re doing it. 

  • Vintage 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Boudrias said:

Enbridge has expertise on underwater tunnels. Line 5 is on hold so they can take it on. ⚒ Throw a gas line in while they’re doing it. 

I'd prefer if the tunnel was structurally sound.

Edited by King Heffy
  • Haha 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
15 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

I'm not up to speed.

 

Could they have gone with a bridge? or was that a big ship problem...

 

This seems like a lot of money...I don't like tunnels, feel a bit claustrophobic. 

I can't find the article any more, but I seem to recall that the issue with a tunnel was that they couldn't run certain ships up the Fraser because it's already not that deep to handle large ships aiming to move goods (including coal) from further up the Fraser, and that they'd need to not only take out the tunnel but also dredge part of the river to deepen the channel to allow for those ships to access whatever port it was further upstream.  That was the rationale for a bridge - because they could build it high enough to allow ship access, vs. the tunnel which would form an obstacle for ships due to depth.

  • Hydration 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
  • DonLever changed the title to BC Politics/Election Thread: NDP Win Majority, BC Liberals Seek New Leader
  • 2 weeks later...

Gee, I wish the government would give me a no interest loan of $200 + million.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-deal-gave-developer-more-than-200-million-in-interest-free-loans/

The private developer of a condo project that promised to include more than 200 units of social housing on land once owned by the provincial government doesn’t have to pay off the $200-million it owes until 2027. It has also not had to make any interest payments, a just-released contract shows.

Amid a housing crisis in Vancouver, the land has sat mostly vacant for 13 years.

Holborn Group’s controversial deal with the former BC Liberal government allowed the company to purchase land in central Vancouver next to Queen Elizabeth Park and demolish 234 dated units that were on the site. The deal was in exchange for a commitment to build the same number of government-subsidized units as part of a larger housing development. The company also planned for an additional 1,400 market-rate condos.

The contract between Holborn and the province specifies that the sale consisted of $245-million for the land and a presumed contribution of $88-million for social housing that was supposed to replace the 234 units that were demolished after the sale.

The contract was released Tuesday as a result of freedom-of-information requests made by former NDP MLA David Chudnovsky three years ago.

 

The contract shows no payments will be due until after Holborn Group starts getting occupancy permits for the completed market condos. But there is no sign of that happening any time soon. Payments will not be triggered until 2031, according to the contract.

Interest on the outstanding balance of around $200-million on the main parcel won’t start being charged until 2027, even though the value of residential property in Vancouver has doubled since Holborn bought the property in 2008.

But the company only had to pay $35-million at the start. The agreement originally said Holborn didn’t have to pay any interest on the remaining $200-million owing until 2021. The start date for interest payments was changed to Dec. 31, 2026, at some point during the Liberal government’s time in office after Holborn agreed to construct one 53-unit social-housing building.

The land deal has generated outrage almost since the beginning, although the minister responsible for it at the time, Rich Coleman, committed most of the purchase-price amount – though unpaid – to 14 social-housing buildings that are now home to almost 1,000 people throughout the city.

Holborn insisted in the agreement that the site had to be cleared of the 700 residents. That broke up a community that had existed since Little Mountain social housing was built in 1954 and scattered most of those people to various parts of the region.

Mr. Coleman did not respond to a request for comment. The Holborn Group was preparing a statement for Tuesday but it was not ready by deadline.

The six-hectare site has sat largely empty since 2009, except for the one new social-housing building that opened in 2015 and one temporary modular housing project that was added in 2019. A second, 70-unit social-housing building is currently under construction. The agreement says that Holborn will not have to pay interest on the $88-million social-housing part of the sale until 2050. As well, the company can get a low-interest loan from BC Housing, similar to what non-profit housing groups get, for that amount.

Advocates and some local politicians now say they think the province should try to renegotiate the deal or expropriate the property.

“The terms of the contract made it easy to sit on the land and watch the value increase. Now we’re calling on the current government to take back the mountain,” said Mr. Chudnovsky. “This Holborn development has been a colossal failure and an insult to homeless and underhoused people.”

He also suggested the government hold an inquiry.

Vancouver city councillor Christine Boyle said she would love to see the land come back into public hands, although she acknowledges the province likely has limited options to do that since Holborn hasn’t violated any of the terms of the agreement because of the way it was set up.

 

“It was either a sweetheart deal or gross incompetence. I hope the province is looking to see what options they have,” she said.

The province sold the land after the federal government initiated a plan in 1996 to turn over ownership of all social housing to the provinces. Other cities have redeveloped their social-housing sites – notably at Regent Park in Toronto – but not all chose to sell outright. B.C. did, though with the condition of replacing the older social housing.

Mr. Coleman said it would allow the province to use the sale money to fund a lot of other social housing in the province. Eventually, under pressure from the city, almost $300-million was put into 14 social-housing projects in Vancouver.

 

  • Sad 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
1 minute ago, gurn said:

Gee, I wish the government would give me a no interest loan of $200 + million.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/british-columbia/article-bc-deal-gave-developer-more-than-200-million-in-interest-free-loans/

The private developer of a condo project that promised to include more than 200 units of social housing on land once owned by the provincial government doesn’t have to pay off the $200-million it owes until 2027. It has also not had to make any interest payments, a just-released contract shows.

Amid a housing crisis in Vancouver, the land has sat mostly vacant for 13 years.

Holborn Group’s controversial deal with the former BC Liberal government allowed the company to purchase land in central Vancouver next to Queen Elizabeth Park and demolish 234 dated units that were on the site. The deal was in exchange for a commitment to build the same number of government-subsidized units as part of a larger housing development. The company also planned for an additional 1,400 market-rate condos.

The contract between Holborn and the province specifies that the sale consisted of $245-million for the land and a presumed contribution of $88-million for social housing that was supposed to replace the 234 units that were demolished after the sale.

The contract was released Tuesday as a result of freedom-of-information requests made by former NDP MLA David Chudnovsky three years ago.

 

The contract shows no payments will be due until after Holborn Group starts getting occupancy permits for the completed market condos. But there is no sign of that happening any time soon. Payments will not be triggered until 2031, according to the contract.

Interest on the outstanding balance of around $200-million on the main parcel won’t start being charged until 2027, even though the value of residential property in Vancouver has doubled since Holborn bought the property in 2008.

But the company only had to pay $35-million at the start. The agreement originally said Holborn didn’t have to pay any interest on the remaining $200-million owing until 2021. The start date for interest payments was changed to Dec. 31, 2026, at some point during the Liberal government’s time in office after Holborn agreed to construct one 53-unit social-housing building.

The land deal has generated outrage almost since the beginning, although the minister responsible for it at the time, Rich Coleman, committed most of the purchase-price amount – though unpaid – to 14 social-housing buildings that are now home to almost 1,000 people throughout the city.

Holborn insisted in the agreement that the site had to be cleared of the 700 residents. That broke up a community that had existed since Little Mountain social housing was built in 1954 and scattered most of those people to various parts of the region.

Mr. Coleman did not respond to a request for comment. The Holborn Group was preparing a statement for Tuesday but it was not ready by deadline.

The six-hectare site has sat largely empty since 2009, except for the one new social-housing building that opened in 2015 and one temporary modular housing project that was added in 2019. A second, 70-unit social-housing building is currently under construction. The agreement says that Holborn will not have to pay interest on the $88-million social-housing part of the sale until 2050. As well, the company can get a low-interest loan from BC Housing, similar to what non-profit housing groups get, for that amount.

Advocates and some local politicians now say they think the province should try to renegotiate the deal or expropriate the property.

“The terms of the contract made it easy to sit on the land and watch the value increase. Now we’re calling on the current government to take back the mountain,” said Mr. Chudnovsky. “This Holborn development has been a colossal failure and an insult to homeless and underhoused people.”

He also suggested the government hold an inquiry.

Vancouver city councillor Christine Boyle said she would love to see the land come back into public hands, although she acknowledges the province likely has limited options to do that since Holborn hasn’t violated any of the terms of the agreement because of the way it was set up.

 

“It was either a sweetheart deal or gross incompetence. I hope the province is looking to see what options they have,” she said.

The province sold the land after the federal government initiated a plan in 1996 to turn over ownership of all social housing to the provinces. Other cities have redeveloped their social-housing sites – notably at Regent Park in Toronto – but not all chose to sell outright. B.C. did, though with the condition of replacing the older social housing.

Mr. Coleman said it would allow the province to use the sale money to fund a lot of other social housing in the province. Eventually, under pressure from the city, almost $300-million was put into 14 social-housing projects in Vancouver.

 

Unreal...what a sweetheart deal for the development partner of the "bc liberal development party"

 

Horgan would do well to screech loud long and hard about this because it's a HUGE slap in the face right now

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Unreal...what a sweetheart deal for the development partner of the "bc liberal development party"

 

Horgan would do well to screech loud long and hard about this because it's a HUGE slap in the face right now

$200 mill from 2008 interest free till 20221     

13 years at 5% a year(average). equals $130,000,000.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/financial/simple-interest-calculator.php

Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Unreal...what a sweetheart deal for the development partner of the "bc liberal development party"

 

Horgan would do well to screech loud long and hard about this because it's a HUGE slap in the face right now

I met Rich Coleman once. Wasn't impressed. 

Link to post
Share on other sites
6 hours ago, gurn said:

$200 mill from 2008 interest free till 20221     

13 years at 5% a year(average). equals $130,000,000.

https://www.calculatorsoup.com/calculators/financial/simple-interest-calculator.php

Which now makes it $330M, unbelievable! Have any of you folks ever gotten an interest free loan? The legacy of the Socreds is unravelling. Rich Coleman has been involved in BC money laundering scandal, and now this. Kinda makes the Fast Cats look like chump change now doesn't it?

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites

There has been a lot of bad spending decisions over the decades, by all the parties.

A few hundred million here, a few hundred million over there and before you know we are talking real money.

Link to post
Share on other sites
11 minutes ago, johngould21 said:

Which now makes it $330M, unbelievable! Have any of you folks ever gotten an interest free loan? The legacy of the Socreds is unravelling. Rich Coleman has been involved in BC money laundering scandal, and now this. Kinda makes the Fast Cats look like chump change now doesn't it?

But....Bingo gate!

  • Like 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
Just now, gurn said:

There has been a lot of bad spending decisions over the decades, by all the parties.

A few hundred million here, a few hundred million over there and before you know we are talking real money.

The biggest slap in the face reading this is that these hundreds of millions will be sluffed off as a nothing, but the hundreds of millions spent on people during covid will be railed against as bad spending policy

 

A few hundred million here and there and all of a sudden we're talking about enough to change the province for the better

  • Like 2
Link to post
Share on other sites
5 minutes ago, gurn said:

There has been a lot of bad spending decisions over the decades, by all the parties.

A few hundred million here, a few hundred million over there and before you know we are talking real money.

its like you could build a bridge instead of a tunnel thats already too small :ph34r:

  • Upvote 1
Link to post
Share on other sites
3 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The biggest slap in the face reading this is that these hundreds of millions will be sluffed off as a nothing, but the hundreds of millions spent on people during covid will be railed against as bad spending policy

 

A few hundred million here and there and all of a sudden we're talking about enough to change the province for the better

Yet those fiscal Conservatives really know how to run a Province.....and the Socialist Hoards are at the gates ready to destroy BC. I've never seen such a corrupt gang of thugs as that Campbell/Clark tenure in our Province.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Loading...
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...