[Proposal]Virtanen + Stecher + Tryamkin rights for a “highish” 2020 1st round pick?

[Patel Bure]

[proposal]Virtanen + Stecher + Tryamkin rights for a “highish” 2020 1st round pick?  
 

Jake Virtanen alone likely you get a mid-low 2020 1st rounder at best (using the Kasperi Kapanen as a comparable), but would guys like Stecher and the rights to Tryamkin increase the value?   If so, how high could the Canucks climb in the draft?    While I am of the opinion that the Canucks should keep both Gaudette and Demko, how high do the Canucks climb by adding one of even both to the above package?

 

What if the Canucks just focused on this year’s RFA + rights to Tryamkin, and sent off a package?   How high could they climb?

 

(Virtanen + Stecher + Gaudette + Motte + rights to Tryamkin).   Would a package like that get you at or near the number 10 spot?  Maybe higher?

 

Monopoly’s own version of trading for green houses for a red hotel?

[CRAZY_4_NAZZY]

Quantity does not equal Quality.

 

Two bottom pairing Dman and an inconsistent bottom six forward does not get you a "highish" 1st round pick.

 

If the Canucks could get a mid first round pick for Virtanen I'm sure they would've jumped on that train a while ago.  This fanbase over estimates the value of each player

[goalie13]

Flip the question over.  If you had a top ten pick, would you trade it for 5 mid-lineup players?

[NewbieCanuckFan]

18 minutes ago, goalie13 said:

Flip the question over.  If you had a top ten pick, would you trade it for 5 mid-lineup players?

The trading of three quarters for a dollar.

[kanucks25]

This isn't NHL 20.

 

Maybe when NHL 21 comes out next month.

[JeremyCuddles]

Ah yes, the EA strategy of throwing 3-5 low value pieces together to get a 1st rounder. 

[WCE]

I could see that package to the Sens for NYI 1st rd pick

Edited September 17, 2020 by WCE

[JM_]

1 hour ago, DarkIndianRises said:

[proposal]Virtanen + Stecher + Tryamkin rights for a “highish” 2020 1st round pick?  
 

Jake Virtanen alone likely you get a mid-low 2020 1st rounder at best (using the Kasperi Kapanen as a comparable), but would guys like Stecher and the rights to Tryamkin increase the value?   If so, how high could the Canucks climb in the draft?    While I am of the opinion that the Canucks should keep both Gaudette and Demko, how high do the Canucks climb by adding one of even both to the above package?

 

What if the Canucks just focused on this year’s RFA + rights to Tryamkin, and sent off a package?   How high could they climb?

 

(Virtanen + Stecher + Gaudette + Motte + rights to Tryamkin).   Would a package like that get you at or near the number 10 spot?  Maybe higher?

 

Monopoly’s own version of trading for green houses for a red hotel?

So lets say Ottawa... they have the 28th oa which maybe if someone they are targeting is off the board by 28 they like Virtanen enough they might do that. Probably don't need to add in Nik or Stech. 

 

They'd really have to like Jake in their top 6 tho.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2020 by Robert Long

[Nuxfanabroad]

You just DON'T transplant The Tree!

 

Haven't you seen how baaaadly we need that guy's size in late season/PO's?!

[Ghostsof1915]

Quick!

Give me two tens for a five!

 

[Chris12345]

That's a lot of dieahrea.

[John_Guest]

9 hours ago, Robert Long said:

So lets say Ottawa... they have the 28th oa which maybe if someone they are targeting is off the board by 28 they like Virtanen enough they might do that. Probably don't need to add in Nik or Stech. 

 

They'd really have to like Jake in their top 6 tho.

 

 

 

 

I was reading up on Ottawa needs. Apparently they have seven picks in the first two rounds. 3 picks in the first round.

The Ottawa sports writers don't agree with a message board expert I was reading here. They seem to think Ottawa does have a need in the net.

They also say the sens need wingers who can score.

So going by them and with apologies to whoever it was here who said there's no goalie need in Ottawa, I was wondering if Virtanen, Pearson or Demko might pry picks from the Sens. It that was something Jim wanted to do, I mean...

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With THREE first rounders, FOUR second rounders and TWO third rounders the Senators can trade up into slots to get the favorites, make deals for NHL regulars, or simply sit bac,k and see who falls into their laps. 

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/ottawa/59/2020/

[UKNuck96]

So the rights to three RFAs for a high first? 

[Father Ryan]

After Benning threw Virt under the bus, and arguably rightly so, Jake's value has greatly diminished. So, a dime-sized Dman that is 3rd pairing, a supreme disappointment at wing and a giant Dman that may or may not cut it at the NHL level...for a 1st? Don't think so. Each of Ottawa's firsts (and they would be the most logical team to trade with) will have potential to get a player that will decidedly better than any two of these guys. I could see a 2nd and maybe a 4th, at best.

[JM_]

5 hours ago, John_Guest said:

I was reading up on Ottawa needs. Apparently they have seven picks in the first two rounds. 3 picks in the first round.

The Ottawa sports writers don't agree with a message board expert I was reading here. They seem to think Ottawa does have a need in the net.

They also say the sens need wingers who can score.

So going by them and with apologies to whoever it was here who said there's no goalie need in Ottawa, I was wondering if Virtanen, Pearson or Demko might pry picks from the Sens. It that was something Jim wanted to do, I mean...

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/ottawa/59/2020/

there's also a point where a team should turn picks into players instead of loading up the reserve list and not fielding an actual team. Assuming you can avoid a Vey for a 2nd scenario, it makes a lot of sense for Ottawa to turn some of that pick capital into actual young players. 

[Gollumpus]

On 9/17/2020 at 3:52 PM, N7Nucks said:

Ah yes, the EA strategy of throwing 3-5 low value pieces together to get a 1st rounder. 

It worked for Sam Pollock... several times.

 

                                         regards,  G.

[JeremyCuddles]

1 minute ago, Gollumpus said:

It worked for Sam Pollock... several times.

 

                                         regards,  G.

This may show my age but I have no idea who that is. I assume it's an old GM that made crazy deals before GMs started valuing draft picks?

[Patel Bure]

19 hours ago, UKNuck96 said:

So the rights to three RFAs for a high first? 

Yes.
 

To be honest, I probably wouldn’t make a move like this due to the risks involved (ie picks don’t always pan out), but it is quite delicious in theory.   
 

The modern day “Lindros package.”

 

There are some bottom feeding teams out there that.....

 

1) Have tons of cap space

2) Probably are tired of getting lottery picks year after year without having much to show for it.  
 

I’m just spitballing here, but what if the Canucks offered a package of

 

Demko + rights to Tryamkin + Gaudette + Virtanen + Stecher + Motte.

 

What would teams be willing to give up for that?    We all saw the three game Patrick Roy like performance that Demko had.  We’ve seen what kind of compete level that Motte has.   Questionable attitude or not, Virtanen still netted 18 goals with Caitlyn Jenner ice time.   Tryamkin is a big boy while Stecher is an honest and young solid 3rd pairing guy that wouldn’t look out of place playing higher.
 

Would I be correct in assuming that a package like the above could net a 1st or 2nd overall pick?   Would Jack Hughes be worth taking a gamble on?  Would a team like the Sabres be willing to move Dahlin?   
 

Obviously, the above is highly unlikely to occur but I can’t help but wonder....... 

 

 

Edited September 19, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[Gollumpus]

On 9/18/2020 at 6:44 PM, N7Nucks said:

This may show my age but I have no idea who that is. I assume it's an old GM that made crazy deals before GMs started valuing draft picks?

Sammy Pollock built the Montreal team that won 10 Cups in the 15 years between 1964 and '79. He had a huge advantage in that he could assess new and upcoming talent, had a stockpile of fairly decent quality veteran players in the Canadiens system to use as trade bait, and was able to play on the lack of knowledge, and also the desperation of other GMs that were around at the time.

 

He was a real shark.

 

                                           regards,  G.

[Pink Sock]

On 9/18/2020 at 10:09 PM, DarkIndianRises said:

Yes.
 

To be honest, I probably wouldn’t make a move like this due to the risks involved (ie picks don’t always pan out), but it is quite delicious in theory.   
 

The modern day “Lindros package.”

 

There are some bottom feeding teams out there that.....

 

1) Have tons of cap space

2) Probably are tired of getting lottery picks year after year without having much to show for it.  
 

I’m just spitballing here, but what if the Canucks offered a package of

 

Demko + rights to Tryamkin + Gaudette + Virtanen + Stecher + Motte.

 

What would teams be willing to give up for that?    We all saw the three game Patrick Roy like performance that Demko had.  We’ve seen what kind of compete level that Motte has.   Questionable attitude or not, Virtanen still netted 18 goals with Caitlyn Jenner ice time.   Tryamkin is a big boy while Stecher is an honest and young solid 3rd pairing guy that wouldn’t look out of place playing higher.
 

Would I be correct in assuming that a package like the above could net a 1st or 2nd overall pick?   Would Jack Hughes be worth taking a gamble on?  Would a team like the Sabres be willing to move Dahlin?   
 

Obviously, the above is highly unlikely to occur but I can’t help but wonder....... 

 

 

You are clueless when it comes to value. You have to be trolling because every trade proposal you make is god awful. 

No GM is taking spare parts for a top tier talent.

Would you trade Hughes for Greenway, Stalock, Eriksson Ek, Kunin and Hunt? Of course not.