Provost Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) There are lots of rumours around that Florida needs to shed actual dollars with a shrinking internal cap. I think it might be overblown, because really... they hardly had any fans in the stands, so Covid doesn't reduce their gate revenue by that much. So inevitably folks have been spitballing about one of their highest dollar contracts (without a NMC) possibly being moved out. There couldn't be a better fit for us, but that also goes for more than half the teams in the league. I don't see them moving him, so the package would have to be outstanding to make it happen AND beat out the offers from other teams. If they are trying to save money, they will want mostly picks and prospects back but on the other hand they could take on a contract like Eriksson/Sutter/Baertschi that gives them a roster body for not a lot of real dollars. What is your max deal for him? Hoglander, an unprotected 1st round pick, and Eriksson? Do they want a player like Boeser at 50% retained so they get him cheap and can still ice a reasonable team? D like him at his age almost never go on the market (and he probably won't)... but what is a realistic deal you make to get him? Edited September 18, 2020 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Don't like that he's had some concussion-history. For a big D-man that seems a bad strike against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 very few untouchables on our team if this guy is really in play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khay Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Assuming that he is at full health, Ekblad would round out our top 4 like no other defenceman in the league. At least I can't think of any other young, physical defenceman with an ability to move the puck like he does. I really don't want to trade Boeser, I think he makes our top 6 strong and the kid will be a consistent 30+ goal scorer, hitting 40 in his prime. But you gotta give to get and Boeser would be the starting point if we want to get Ekblad. I'd do Boeser (some salary retained, hopefully less than half) + Jake or Gaud + rights to Stecher + Eriksson cap dump for Ekblad + lower round pick (preferrably 3rd rounder, then we can possibly flip our 3rd and Florida's 3rd for a mid 2nd rounder). They get 4 roster players and the real dollar that they have to pay is only about 3 mil over what Ekblad makes depending on how much cap we retain for Boeser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Their GM is not aware that they have to shed cap. Friedman in his 31 thoughts. 10. If there was one thing that surprised Florida GM Bill Zito in our conversation, it was that I’d heard Panthers’ ownership wished to cut payroll. “No one said that me,” he said after a pause. “That’s news to me.” What is the mandate, then? “Moving forward as if they had just acquired the franchise. Make the best, most prudent decision you can for the benefit of of the franchise. Not necessarily for tonight, but for the best interests of the franchise. We’re there with you, and we’re gong to support you.” (One GM said the Panthers have said they don’t want to make ridiculous deals to simply cut cash, that their moves will have “purpose” to them. ) 13. My guess: Zito’s going to be asked about Barkov (no chance), Aaron Ekblad and Jonathon Huberdeau. He’s going to explore moving one of the big tickets on his blue line to create flexibility. All he would answer is, “I’m going to listen to anything. But I’m going to say no to most things.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VancouverHabitant Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 There's no way we're giving them Eriksson for Ekblad unless we throw in a 1st round pick and Podkolzin... just saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Hmm... LE + JV + Hogs + 1st 2021 for Ekblad + 2nd 2020 That's probably not even close to a good deal for FLA. But that is what I'd do to get him. PS: I'm bad at trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, Provost said: There are lots of rumours around that Florida needs to shed actual dollars with a shrinking internal cap. I think it might be overblown, because really... they hardly had any fans in the stands, so Covid doesn't reduce their gate revenue by that much. So inevitably folks have been spitballing about one of their highest dollar contracts (without a NMC) possibly being moved out. There couldn't be a better fit for us, but that also goes for more than half the teams in the league. I don't see them moving him, so the package would have to be outstanding to make it happen AND beat out the offers from other teams. If they are trying to save money, they will want mostly picks and prospects back but on the other hand they could take on a contract like Eriksson/Sutter/Baertschi that gives them a roster body for not a lot of real dollars. What is your max deal for him? Hoglander, an unprotected 1st round pick, and Eriksson? Do they want a player like Boeser at 50% retained so they get him cheap and can still ice a reasonable team? D like him at his age almost never go on the market (and he probably won't)... but what is a realistic deal you make to get him? Based on the interview that was posted in the other thread there is no way this guy is on the market unless something big is coming back the other way. I don't think Boeser is anywhere near enough to land this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boest-er Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 I think it would be better to see what we have internally. and give them a chance to shine first before going out to grab someone of his caliber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 22 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: There's no way we're giving them Eriksson for Ekblad unless we throw in a 1st round pick and Podkolzin... just saying. Ekblad for Erickson, 1st, and Podkolzin? As much as I hate trading high picks, and in my opinion, elite prospects... Yeah, I take that and never look back. Ekblad completely rebuilds our D core. Hughes-Ekbald Yes friggin please. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, shayster007 said: Ekblad for Erickson, 1st, and Podkolzin? As much as I hate trading high picks, and in my opinion, elite prospects... Yeah, I take that and never look back. Ekblad completely rebuilds our D core. Hughes-Ekbald Yes friggin please. I love Pod but if that's on the table I'll drive him to the airport. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 It would take a big package to get Ekblad. They would want our top prospects. It would be tempting to get that one player who can make a huge difference but I think the ask would be too high. If they are wanting to shed salary they would not take Boeser or even Virtanen. They would want a combination of Podkolzin, Hoglander, Juolevi, Rathbone, etc. plus a high draft pick. Not sure I'd want to give up on at least 2 of those players plus a high pick. It is tempting though as Ekblad has a good cap hit for several more years and would be cost controlled until he is 29. His age also fits with our core. I'll tell you this, he would be THE perfect partner for Hughes, even better than Pietrangelo. I'd hate to give up Podkolzin though and he would probably be the first player they ask for, especially when they find out he's grown and is pushing 6'4"... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 40 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: There's no way we're giving them Eriksson for Ekblad unless we throw in a 1st round pick and Podkolzin... just saying. Lol. You’re going to have to get the Florida GM pretty drunk to trade Eriksson and a 1st & Pod for Ekblad. That first won’t be a high one since we won’t be a lotter pick team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 49 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: Lol. You’re going to have to get the Florida GM pretty drunk to trade Eriksson and a 1st & Pod for Ekblad. That first won’t be a high one since we won’t be a lotter pick team. It is probably in the ballpark, Florida certainly doesn’t hang up with that starting the discussion. What assets would really be off limits in a trade really? Petterson, Hughes, Horvat, Miller? I think the list ends there of guys that are untouchable. If they are really desperate to shed salary, as long as they are eating cap hit from us, we can take more salary from them. Our one “bonus” is the number of guys we have that have high cap hits and low actual salaries to even out numbers while saving them real money. I am not saying those are valuable guys, it just helps make the puzzle work. Toronto would kill to have Ekblad... why would Florida want any of their guys coming back? They earn as much or more in real dollars as Ekblad so don’t accomplish the result Florida (purportedly) needs to. There would be few teams who would want to take on that salary and cap hit without sending money back. Our “money sent back” is mostly in cap hit and not cash. It is probably a moot point as I can’t see Florida moving him, but as folks have said... is there a better partner for Hughes? If we could add that piece with effectively not adding any cap hit that would be crazy... Edited September 18, 2020 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) The Panthers certainly would hang up the phone laughing if offered that package. A 1st round pick would be required to unload that awful contract of LE by itself (might be easier to unload him in the final year of his deal AFTER his bonus is paid out). That leaves Pod for Ekblad. You don't get a dollar by offering a couple quarters. Benning should be fired out of cannon if the position were reversed and took a comparable deal. LE will still be getting $5 million in actual dollars total over the next two years if dealt after his next bonus is paid out (assuming it hasn't been already). That has pretty extreme negative value to a team looking to shed salary as you can get guys easily in these economic times to play on the 4th line as a winger for a fraction of that cost - without having to commit to keeping him for two years. And LE is already 35+ years old. He clearly isn't going to be getting any better. Edited September 18, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted September 18, 2020 Author Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) Here is a stab at it. Ekblad Connelly for Podkolzin Woo 2021 2nd round 2022 1st round Eriksson Baertschi 50% retained They offload $22 million in real dollars over the next two seasons plus future salary liability. They are taking back only $6.2 million in real dollars over that span and getting a boatload or assets back that will be cost controlled on ELCs. We effectively trade cap space for dollars and future assets. We send out $9.36 in dead cap space and take back $11 million but get incredibly useful players We also then walk away from Tanev (or sign him for cheap if he is up for it). Edited September 18, 2020 by Provost 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Edler - Myers Hughes - Ekblad Juolevi - Rafferty nottttttt baddd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 12 minutes ago, NewbieCanuckFan said: The Panthers certainly would hang up the phone laughing if offered that package. A 1st round pick would be required to unload that awful contract of LE by itself (might be easier to unload him in the final year of his deal AFTER his bonus is paid out). That leaves Pod for Ekblad. You don't get a dollar by offering a couple quarters. Benning should be fired out of cannon if the position were reversed and took a comparable deal. LE will still be getting $5 million in actual dollars total over the next two years if dealt after his next bonus is paid out (assuming it hasn't been already). That has pretty extreme negative value to a team looking to shed salary as you can get guys easily in these economic times to play on the 4th line as a winger for a fraction of that cost - without having to commit to keeping him for two years. And LE is already 35+ years old. He clearly isn't going to be getting any better. LE's contract isn't nearly as awful to a team who won't be spending to the cap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Provost said: Here is a stab at it. Ekblad Connelly for Podkolzin Woo 2021 2nd round 2022 1st round Eriksson Baertschi 50% retained They offload $22 million in real dollars over the next two seasons plus future salary liability. They are taking back only $6.2 million in real dollars over that span and getting a boatload or assets back that will be cost controlled on ELCs. its not exactly clear what Florida's GM is looking to do. It sounds like from @mll quote above, its more future-based. So if they're moving out d, I'd image they at least want to move in a better d prospect than Woo along with a 1st round pick and also a young roster player as well. My guess would be somewhere along the lines of our 2021 1st, Gaudette and Rathbone for Ekblad might get the conversation going. I don't know if thats something we really want to do tho.... have to really consider the ramifications of losing so much future talent. But damn, having Hughs and Ekbland in your top 4 would scare the $&!# out of most teams you're playing against Edited September 18, 2020 by Robert Long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, King Heffy said: LE's contract isn't nearly as awful to a team who won't be spending to the cap. It is as I said he STILL is getting an average of $2.5 million in actual cash over each of the next two years. LE is a 4th liner at this point in his career (and getting worse as he's on the wrong side of 35). Maybe Arizona will bite if they're as badly off cash wise as led to believe (to hit the cap floor). Edited September 18, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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