Gawdzukes Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Boston is a team that might find Pearson interesting - or even Bear for that matter. Their L side isn’t good after their first line and one of their only weaknesses. Cap is an issue but of course and equal cap trade back would fix that.... Baer, lol. The exact opposite of a Bruin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gawdzukes Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, Trebreh said: Jake for Carlo then offersheet Cernak! all of a sudden we're huge 6'4 Edler - Carlo 6'5 7'0 Hughes - Cernak 6'4 6'3 Juolevi - Myers 6'8 Hughes really going to scare some people after shooting up 1 ft 4 inches, especially if he's still got the same speed. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Provost said: I had been beating the drum on that move last week. It is possible that the Matheson move took that off the table. Florida still needs someone to play defence, and unless they luck out and get Pietrangelo, I don't see them needing to move a guy who plays over 21 minutes a night for them. The rationale for the move was the report they wanted to shed some money on defence to add to their offence. Job done for them now probably. Ekblad is only owed 2M this season. They already paid his bonus. All the offers here were sending more salary back the other way. I am not convinced they want to trade him. If they are and cash is the motivation then it makes more sense for them to wait after this season and before his next bonus payment. There will still be interest in a year. Edited September 25, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 their not moving Carlo or McCavoy. It's Debrusk and or Byron Ritchie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, awalk said: How does a hockey rumor page stay in existence after going roughly zero for 2,354 on trade predictions over 10 years?! Because there are idiots in this world who believe COVID either don't exist, or think that it's some government conspiracy to limit our god-given freedoms. In short, idiots. The same people who think Eklund is a valid source, like the old CDC forums had once listed under their "rules" section. Good times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuck1991 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 is JB gonna do something or just like last 5 years we are going to speculate trades and end up being stuck with $&!# contracts, like come on at this point i would give up 1st rounder to get eriksson off books or 2nd and 3rd combined. baer, roussel, beagle sutter, benn, like anything to get 2 of these guys out of line up. I dont care wht pick it is and any prospect not named podkolzin, hoglander, rathbone. Team is in win now mode. GTH with people thinking our window is 2 to 3 years away. Player that we draft in next years round 1 wont be regular until 2025 -26 atleast. Team was 1 period away from west finals, this is our time. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 8 hours ago, N7Nucks said: You make a mistake by trading Rathbone here. Unless he signed specifically to get traded to Boston but why would he. He went out on a limb to sign here. He said himself he was considering staying in College til free agency. Higgins and Johnson convinced him to sign. Trading him immediately after that makes us look bad to other potential NCAA players we may draft going forward. Or NCAA players we target during the college free agency. In normal years I would agree with the bolded. But Covid and the ED create a unique situation, and I think the college boys are smart enough to understand this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goog16 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 You know he does it like this... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 22 hours ago, Nuck1991 said: is JB gonna do something or just like last 5 years we are going to speculate trades and end up being stuck with $&!# contracts, like come on at this point i would give up 1st rounder to get eriksson off books or 2nd and 3rd combined. baer, roussel, beagle sutter, benn, like anything to get 2 of these guys out of line up. I dont care wht pick it is and any prospect not named podkolzin, hoglander, rathbone. Team is in win now mode. GTH with people thinking our window is 2 to 3 years away. Player that we draft in next years round 1 wont be regular until 2025 -26 atleast. Team was 1 period away from west finals, this is our time. Good thing you're not our GM then. We also don't even have a 1st or 2nd round this year, if you were paying attention. Clueless troll exposed. Edited September 26, 2020 by Dazzle 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeneedLumme Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, Trebreh said: Captain America serum I think he got that from Petey. On 8/31/2019 at 7:48 AM, redhdlois said: I saw this on Twitter.......what a difference! 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNucks1 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 virt+ for carlo please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, WeneedLumme said: I think he got that from Petey. I'm usually around 203 pounds after I eat my 3 plates of pasta. But I would say on an average day I am about 198 pounds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 McAvoy is basically untouchable unless we give up Boeser ++, but Carlo might be had for Virtanen plus a pick or prospect. For fun's sake, I'd do this trade any day: Boeser + Virtanen + Juolevi + Stechers rights thrown in + 2021 1st for McAvoy + Carlo Hughes - Carlo Myers - McAvoy Our top-4 set for the next 5 years at least. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 18 hours ago, aGENT said: Broken clocks being right twice a day and all Broken legs working right twice a day and all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB5 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 There a lot of posts for an Eklund (hack) rumor. I am sure the teams and GM's have talked, that's what they do, but I think Virtanen to Boston is just as viable as Virtanen to any other NHL team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
timberz21 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Trebreh said: Jake for Carlo then offersheet Cernak! all of a sudden we're huge 6'4 Edler - Carlo 6'5 7'0 Hughes - Cernak 6'4 6'3 Juolevi - Myers 6'8 Did Hughes got bit by Chara or something? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post oldnews Posted September 25, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 25, 2020 (edited) 18 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Neely played half his games on the road, not in the smaller rink. He was great in the small rink as well as the regular rinks. I'm sure nobody in Vancouver thought he would become a Hall of Famer because then I'm sure he never would have been traded. What I find amusing is people putting Jake Virtanen and Cam Neely in the same sentence. That would be real funny to people who actually watched Neely play his whole career. Jake couldn't hold Cam's jock strap... This is a pointless 'comparison' regardless of who is 21yrs old and who is old enough to have watched Neely his whole career. I'm just going to point out a few things to illustrate this point. First - the Cam Neely the Canucks traded was a 14 goal scorer at age 20 - and a team worst -30. Both somewhat to be "expected", particularly with a young powerforward, and one playing on not a very good team. It was also a different NHL in the 1980s, fundamentally different. For example, rookie scoring leaders in 1980/81... 40 goals - Daryl Sutter 39 - Anton Stastny 39 - Peter Stastny 37 - Jurgen Peterson 32 - Jari Kurri 81/82 rookie goal scoring leaders 45 goals - Dale Hawerchuk 44 - Barry Pederson 38 - Neil Broten 36 - Mike Bullard 36 - Paul McLean 35 - Marian Stastny 33 - Steve Bozek 33 - Ron Flockhart 33 - Mark Pavelich 32 - Bobby Carpenter So, if you think about that for a second, Brock Boeser, the runner up in the Calder in 2017/18 with 29 goals (Barzal won - he had 22) - not one player from that rookie class would have cracked the top 10 in rookie goal scoring in 1981/82. I mean, the 'elite' shutdown forwards of that era (f we can even use that term to refer to a player in that era, 'defensive/two-way forward is probably a 'better' term - guys like Guy Carbonneau or Esa Tikannen - were 20 and 30 goal scorers...It pre-dated the truly 'two-way' modern game - guys like Bryan Trottier were outliers imo - Steve Yzerman transitioned from a 100-150 pt player - that never won anything, to a two way player that never scored 100 pts again - but became a contender and multiple SCC in the process. The game changed fundamentally - as did many of it's 'stars' - two way players like Dastyuk, Yzerman became focal, principal pieces necessary to contend, something we continue to see in guys like Kopitar, Bergeron, O'Reilly (or closer to home, the kind of player we hope Horvat becomes/see Horvat becoming). You don't have to have grown up watching Neely - you just have to look at the relative differences in production - or even watch some 'vintage' games and your 'eye test' should tell you that it was relative pond hockey in 'comparison' to today's NHL - there really is no comparison - and Neely 3 years in - was not tracking as a hall of famer. Steve Yzerman scored 39 goals/77 pts as a rookie in Neely's rookie season - Neely was a 30+ pt player his first three seasons. So now we have Virtanen, 3.5 seasons into his career - 3 years older as is typical/common in today's NHL - players don't as readily go from the draft to 30 goal scorer rookies in the NHL - and for the rare outlier that does, they don't have 10 peers in their 30 goal scoring rookie class - there might be 1 or 2 players and they generally enter the league in their draft + seasons (+2, +3 typically) - and Virtanen is tracking at this point where Neely was after 3 NHL seasons, albeit at a younger - as was typical, age. However, if we are going to be fair to Virtanen, the 'comparison' doesn't stop at production - you look at the other factors as well (in addition to age) - factors like Virtanen having sub 50% ozone starts to this point of his career (48.3% as a young 'pwf', who has for the most part played on the 3rd line alongside shutdown forwards like Sutter). And you factor in, that in that role, Virtanen has been -4 the past couple season, relative to -30/-26 for Neely, who I absolutely guarantee you did not see the kind of deployment Virtanen is (we may not have 'advanced stats' from Neely's era, but we have both the eye test and common sense). Was Neely leading his team in defensive categories like takeaways - as Virtanen did in both 2017/18 and 2018/19 (and on the leaderboard again this past season)? So wadr to these 'comparisons' - if we're going to compare Virtanen to a HOFer, we should on the other hand point out (in spite of the misperceptions around here) Virtanen is a relative Selke candidate 'compared' to the young Neely (and to be clear, not compared to his own peers, but relative to the 1980s) - and his deployment is relatively uncharacteristic of young forwards, particularly ones that we expect a lot of offensive production from. Young offensive players are typically sheltered, if not at least given high ozone starts to attempt to create conditions for them to produce and be successful - while Green has developed Virtanen in a specifically 'modern' way - similar to the way players like Burrows, Hansen, Kesler were - and similarly, to an even greater extent, the way a young player like Motte - imo an 'elite' young defensive forward - is utilized - in even harder minutes/an almost exclusive shutdown role - whereas Virtanen has been getting the occasional 'carrot', moving up the lineup - something quite valuable when your young players are developed with versatility (something that is 'expected' of most of the Canucks young players, including their stars (the only truly 'sheltered' Canuck in the present is Gaudette). So - no - Virtanen is not Cam Neely - and 2020 is not 1983 - and in fairness to Virtanen, the range of real differences should be looked at before we consider him relatively disposable or resort to unfair 'comparisons' to a player that eventually became a Hall of Famer, but produced what he did as a top 6 in the pond hockey era. Edited September 25, 2020 by oldnews 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 49 minutes ago, timberz21 said: Did Hughes got bit by Chara or something? I think Hughes is riding on Chara's shoulders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 23 hours ago, Provost said: Edler-Myers Hughes-Carlo Juolevi-Tryamkin Rathbone You want some size and truculence? Only right side in the league where Carlo is the shrimp... and by a wide margin. That would give forwards some nightmares Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RakuRaku Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Makes no sense... they already got a better player in that mold named Jake DeBrusk!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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