Millerdraft Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Two years/$5m or three years/$7.5m. I think those are both reasonable offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Pete M said: Virtanen is a tradeable asset if he signs. Given what Anderson got, the idea Jake can fetch a 1st rounder doesn't seem so outlandish. I'd like to keep him, but at the same time I doubt this coaching staff will actually play him in the top 6. So I'd like for him to be traded just to see if he can fully reach that top 6 potential elsewhere. Or if he fizzles out as a 3rd liner and my belief in him was misguided all these years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted October 6, 2020 Author Share Posted October 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, Pete M said: Virtanen is a tradeable asset if he signs. That is my hope right now. An unknown arb award likely makes his value really low. If we actually signed him for less than that we could possibly move him more easily. I am just done with a player that has to be convinced to actually want to play hockey at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanucksCountry Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 @Squamfan In Shambles rn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Nuckle Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Provost said: That is my hope right now. An unknown arb award likely makes his value really low. If we actually signed him for less than that we could possibly move him more easily. I am just done with a player that has to be convinced to actually want to play hockey at his age. Love your optimism Edited October 6, 2020 by Moose Nuckle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Kinda sad this was even a question. Hope he keeps on getting better and grows up a bit cause I still love the player. If not then fetches us something decent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Millerdraft said: Two years/$5m or three years/$7.5m. I think those are both reasonable offers. I don't see why he'd take a 2 year deal, when he can go to arbitration and potentially get 3+mil for one year. And if he replicates last season's totals cash in more next summer. The optics don't make sense for a 2 year deal from Jake's perspective. To avoid arbitration you either give him term, IE 4 year deal, or you get really close to that likely arbitration number. In which case it'd be more than that 2.5 you're hoping for. 4 years at McCann money might work although if I am Jake Virtanen I gamble on myself, go to arbitration, and try match or improve upon last season's numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Given what Anderson got, the idea Jake can fetch a 1st rounder doesn't seem so outlandish. I'd like to keep him, but at the same time I doubt this coaching staff will actually play him in the top 6. So I'd like for him to be traded just to see if he can fully reach that top 6 potential elsewhere. Or if he fizzles out as a 3rd liner and my belief in him was misguided all these years. Gotta a feeling he will keep progressing....if he makes hockey his number one priority and only priority, he will become the PWF that we expect. Focus on hockey when in the twenties and start living your life in your thirties...if he does this, he will get paid in the near future. He needs to think only hockey. then again, life happens while your making plans. Edited October 6, 2020 by Pete M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Little surprised, unless they feel like they are close to a deal with him already, or they have trades in the works that would move him out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Provost said: That is my hope right now. An unknown arb award likely makes his value really low. If we actually signed him for less than that we could possibly move him more easily. I am just done with a player that has to be convinced to actually want to play hockey at his age. You do know that Virtanen can be traded later right? There is no reason to throw Virtanen away right NOW. So much for your understanding of deadlines, Mr. "Negotiator". Qualifying Virtanen extends the deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, Pete M said: Gotta a feeling he will keep progressing....if he makes hockey his number one priority and only priority, he will become the PWF that we expect. Focus on hockey when in the twenties and start living your life in your thirties...if he does this, he will get paid in the near future. He needs to think only hockey. Yeah, I know people call him immature. I don't think it's immaturity that is holding him back. He's just not as dedicated to hockey as the other truly elite players. I don't fault him for it, although it is rather disappointing given how much talent he has. He is a good third liner with sub optimal dedication, can only imagine how great he'd be if he did dedicate more to the game. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Millerdraft Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Just now, N7Nucks said: I don't see why he'd take a 2 year deal, when he can go to arbitration and potentially get 3+mil for one year. And if he replicates last season's totals cash in more next summer. The optics don't make sense for a 2 year deal from Jake's perspective. To avoid arbitration you either give him term, IE 4 year deal, or you get really close to that likely arbitration number. In which case it'd be more than that 2.5 you're hoping for. 4 years at McCann money might work although if I am Jake Virtanen I gamble on myself, go to arbitration, and try match or improve upon last season's numbers. Maybe on some other team. I wouldn’t do that here. He hasn’t shown the proper level of professional effort to make a four year term a comfortable offer on management’s side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 17 minutes ago, Horvat is a Boss said: I would like to keep Virtanen, but I'm not sure management does. I would like a contract in the 4 year, 3M per range similar to Kapanen's deal. That would make sense, especially if he could be a top 6 contributor! But coach Green seems to keep him in the bottom 6 and Jake doesn't play a Ryan Reeves physical hit everything kind of game. he is top 6 or bust maybe a offensive 3rd line scoring winger 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Millerdraft said: Maybe on some other team. I wouldn’t do that here. He hasn’t shown the proper level of professional effort to make a four year term a comfortable offer on management’s side He's a legit 3rd line talent. The problem isn't that he's some scrub that can't play hockey, which is what people like you think. The problem is there is so much talent he should be able to do more. I'd give him 4 years at like 3mil. Worst case scenario is he's just a 3rd liner. Best case scenario is we have an underpaid top 6 winger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 (edited) They will let Stecher walk. If he wants to stay signs cheap for a year or two will bring him back. He wants to stay tho Edited October 6, 2020 by Rush17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: Yeah, I know people call him immature. I don't think it's immaturity that is holding him back. He's just not as dedicated to hockey as the other truly elite players. I don't fault him for it, although it is rather disappointing given how much talent he has. He is a good third liner with sub optimal dedication, can only imagine how great he'd be if he did dedicate more to the game. A lot of it is mental, he might think he is dedicated, but he needs to compare his mind set to Crosby, McKinnon, Giroux, and the other elite hockey players to understand what it takes and the dedication and mind set that is required to be elite....maybe a mental coach can help with setting his mind to make hockey a priority similar to how Crosby makes hockey a priority....he almost has to be reborn, if you know what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 To be expected - And indictate clearly by Epp in his interview with Don Taylor earlier. I agree with qualifying him. And there's absolutely no way he accepts that q.o. or re-sign him at 1.25 million in the end - he has easily earned an uptick on that. I'm not on the move Virtanen team - so I'm happy and not the least bit surprised to see this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 I'm good with this. Real good. I've definitely been one of the vocal ones and have been hard on Jake at times. Probably at best he could return a second in trade. Why bother, I'd rather keep working with him and see if he comes around and becomes a more consistent player. Glad Jake is here, for now anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 7 minutes ago, Pete M said: A lot of it is mental, he might think he is dedicated, but he needs to compare his mind set to Crosby, McKinnon, Giroux, and the other elite hockey players to understand what it takes and the dedication and mind set that is required to be elite....maybe a mental coach can help with setting his mind to make hockey a priority similar to how Crosby makes hockey a priority....he almost has to be reborn, if you know what I mean. Funny thing is MacKinnon didn't really start turning it on until he started training with guys like Crosby. Maybe that's what Jake needs. An offseason training with some hard working dogs. Maybe with Big Bert. I heard him say he would love to work with Jake, that was a few years ago too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VforVasili Posted October 6, 2020 Share Posted October 6, 2020 Sounds like Church is back in session! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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