CaNuCkSLoUiE23 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Kunin seemed poised for a breakout year. Guerin with another head scratcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 45 minutes ago, Gollumpus said: Cap dump. regards, G. Wouldn't think so. Bonino was Nashville's best centre last year - I know that's not saying much but he was their only consistently reliable F. His line outscored opponents 47 to 28. The Predators apparently received plenty of interest at the TDL despite him having an additional year. Maybe that has changed with the pandemic. Hynes is full of praise for Bonino. He only has 1 year left while Kunin is only 22 with many years of team control ahead. Guerin obviously knows Bonino from his time in Pittsburgh. Kunin was drafted 15th overall in 2016 and has played only 135 NHL games. Nashville is paying for the team control and the potential upside. Kunin has impeccable work ethic - works really hard on the ice but doesn't have a standout skill. He's kind of the all around average. The Wild have kind of been stuck at average and it got them nowhere. So I am guessing that's maybe why they decided they could part with still such a young player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: Wonder what they’re planning. Pietrangelo? Hall? If they're as high on Fabbro as they claim to be I don't see them targeting Pietrangelo. Would be interesting to see if they make a move on Hall. Not sure if LW is just really weak or the truly like playing right handed wingers Forsberg and Arvidsson on the LW. But Hall would be by far their best left handed LWer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kanucks25 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Should never have traded Bonino That said, still a weird trade for the Wild. They should be rebuilding and just swapped a 22 YO for a 32 YO. Must not be that high on him internally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 32 minutes ago, mll said: Wouldn't think so. Bonino was Nashville's best centre last year - I know that's not saying much but he was their only consistently reliable F. His line outscored opponents 47 to 28. The Predators apparently received plenty of interest at the TDL despite him having an additional year. Maybe that has changed with the pandemic. Hynes is full of praise for Bonino. He only has 1 year left while Kunin is only 22 with many years of team control ahead. Guerin obviously knows Bonino from his time in Pittsburgh. Kunin was drafted 15th overall in 2016 and has played only 135 NHL games. Nashville is paying for the team control and the potential upside. Kunin has impeccable work ethic - works really hard on the ice but doesn't have a standout skill. He's kind of the all around average. The Wild have kind of been stuck at average and it got them nowhere. So I am guessing that's maybe why they decided they could part with still such a young player. Dump is probably a bit harsh. While no Miller, it's not dissimilar in that they felt the need/pressure to move that cap out. The reason we got Miller so cheap I'd the same reason MIN got two picks and Bonino so cheap. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewbieCanuckFan Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Junkyard Dog said: That’s a pretty nice return for bones. A player that commands far more value than the guy we got for him even today. Edited October 7, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gollumpus Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 37 minutes ago, mll said: Wouldn't think so. Bonino was Nashville's best centre last year - I know that's not saying much but he was their only consistently reliable F. His line outscored opponents 47 to 28. The Predators apparently received plenty of interest at the TDL despite him having an additional year. Maybe that has changed with the pandemic. Hynes is full of praise for Bonino. He only has 1 year left while Kunin is only 22 with many years of team control ahead. Guerin obviously knows Bonino from his time in Pittsburgh. Kunin was drafted 15th overall in 2016 and has played only 135 NHL games. Nashville is paying for the team control and the potential upside. Kunin has impeccable work ethic - works really hard on the ice but doesn't have a standout skill. He's kind of the all around average. The Wild have kind of been stuck at average and it got them nowhere. So I am guessing that's maybe why they decided they could part with still such a young player. 2 minutes ago, aGENT said: Dump is probably a bit harsh. While no Miller, it's not dissimilar in that they felt the need/pressure to move that cap out. The reason we got Miller so cheap I'd the same reason MIN got two picks and Bonino so cheap. Hence my teasing remark of this being a "cap dump". It seems to be that on these forums one man's cap dump is another man's good trade... Otherwise, hey it's sunny out there, or at least it's daylight. Go for a walk with your dog, or borrow someone else's dog. regards, G. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) 29 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: If they're as high on Fabbro as they claim to be I don't see them targeting Pietrangelo. Would be interesting to see if they make a move on Hall. Not sure if LW is just really weak or the truly like playing right handed wingers Forsberg and Arvidsson on the LW. But Hall would be by far their best left handed LWer. Arvidsson plays exclusively RW. Their top-line is nicknamed the JOFA line for Forsberg-Johansen-Arvidsson. They were broken up but Hynes re-united them for the play-ins and Poile talked of how that had him excited because they also played well. If they acquire Hall he would probably play with Duchene. Edited October 7, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, aGENT said: Dump is probably a bit harsh. While no Miller, it's not dissimilar in that they felt the need/pressure to move that cap out. The reason we got Miller so cheap I'd the same reason MIN got two picks and Bonino so cheap. This makes more sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostsOf1994 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Horrible trade for the wild I really don't like guerins moves Staal for Johansson Bjugstad for pick Dubnyk for pick Kunin for bonino and picks Out Staal,Dubnyk, Kunin, picks In Bjugstad, Bonino, Johansson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosatka Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 (edited) Well they are rebuilding.. they are getting rid off old core, traded Dubnyk,Staal, didn't re-sign Koivu, they aquired some placeholder players on short term contracts like Bjugstad,Bonino,Johansson and also got good draft picks, in 2-3 years they might be fun to watch with Fiala,Kaprizov,Boldy,Rossi,Khusnutdinov... Edited October 7, 2020 by Kosatka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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NHL'er Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said: Wonder what they’re planning. Pietrangelo? Hall? Subban? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoosh Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I'm not sure I understand Guerin's moves fully, but moving on from Dubnyk was key and Staal & Koivu too but they have a lot to do still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nave Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Bonino is a proven winner who Guerin is familiar with from their time in Pittsburgh. Not sold on the selections they made with the picks they acquired, but time will tell. Kunin is a good young player, and Nashville freed up some space for a potential big free agent addition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
189lb enforcers? Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 Nice move, Preds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 14 hours ago, N7Nucks said: If they're as high on Fabbro as they claim to be I don't see them targeting Pietrangelo. Would be interesting to see if they make a move on Hall. Not sure if LW is just really weak or the truly like playing right handed wingers Forsberg and Arvidsson on the LW. But Hall would be by far their best left handed LWer. Looks like that could be the case re Taylor Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldnews Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 (edited) 15 hours ago, Kosatka said: Well they are rebuilding.. they are getting rid off old core, traded Dubnyk,Staal, didn't re-sign Koivu, they aquired some placeholder players on short term contracts like Bjugstad,Bonino,Johansson and also got good draft picks, in 2-3 years they might be fun to watch with Fiala,Kaprizov,Boldy,Rossi,Khusnutdinov... however, they just traded a talented 15th overall pick - and returned trade-downs ie a 2nd and a 3rd round pick - (the latter a mere trade up on the 4th they gave back).... So in the "rebuilding" stage you refer to, they got a 2nd round pick and one round trade up to a 3rd....for a 15th overall....and a 'placeholder'. Kunin, the principal here - is worth more than that, so he spent considerable value on that 'placeholder'. The Bonino part of this deal is generally an excellent acquisition - however, in a flat cap world, and with one year of term remaining, his value is mitigated to a rental He's a good rental - might return another pick, but still, dividing assets again and using a 15th overall pick/young player to do so. This is less a 'rebuild' move than the deals Benning made for younger roster principals/players...deals which were criticized to no end.....but the 'rebuild logic' of Guerin's move, is even lesser imo - unless one accepts/realizes what a 33? yr old like Bonino brings, even in a 'rebuild'. Instead of using Kunin to buy a second, they quite easily 'could have' retained him and taken on a year of cap (ie the Staal deal to Detroit) - in exchange for a pick...a 'rebuild' move...instead he moved a 15th overall prospect....It can only be made sense of if looked at outside the cookie cutter lens/concept of a 'rebuild'. Edited October 8, 2020 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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