Joni Jurmo | D

[Ray_Cathode]

On 3/29/2021 at 1:47 PM, zimmy said:

I appreciate this list but, to be honest, having seen most of these players live, I’m not sure many of them can exactly be called “top” pairing d-men. Not even our own beloved Sami Salo was quite top pair in actual deployment. You’d have a case for Heiskanen, Numminen, Vatenan in his heyday, certainly Timonen, even Lumme but the rest of the list hilights offensive specialists or solid 3/4’s. 

 

Not trying to troll at all, but I’m likely not settling for anyone other than Heiskanen on this list if I’m looking for a dominant, game changing/controlling #1. And I’m a steadfast and long time lover of the Finns!!!!!

 

I would add Salo to that list... when healthy. It was not just his offensive acumen that he was valued for, he was a superb defender with a massive career +/-. He was commonly deployed by the Canucks as the guy to match up against the opposition’s best forwards. As for the future, Dallas’s young Finnish defender looks very promising.

[zimmy]

36 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said:

I would add Salo to that list... when healthy. It was not just his offensive acumen that he was valued for, he was a superb defender with a massive career +/-. He was commonly deployed by the Canucks as the guy to match up against the opposition’s best forwards. As for the future, Dallas’s young Finnish defender looks very promising.

Loved Salo. Always felt better when he was on the ice and he might be the last PP point man we had who was genuinely feared by opponents. 

Can’t say I ever expected him to play an entire season though.  He was a luxury the team could afford in those heady days of regular season dominance, but knowing his proclivity towards injury, I don’t know if I’m throwing huge term and dollars his way if I’m building a team today. 

[204CanucksFan]

A goal late in the game to tie it and force overtime 

Edited April 8, 2021 by 204CanucksFan

[204CanucksFan]

 

[Guest]

Really raw kid, didn't mind his first year after getting drafted.  He had to battle through a lot of adversity in terms of where he was playing, etc.  

 

Would like to see him make the jump in the pro game next year. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Fred65]

3 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Let's be honest with our selves a third round pick has long odds to become a NHL defenseman, we hold his rights until June 1st 2024

[Guest]

5 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

To be expected. 

[NorthWestNuck]

First Tryamkin, now Jurmo! The sky is falling!!!

[Locke Lamora]

I always viewed the Joni pick to be “swing for the fences” pick. If he hits, great….but I don’t have any great expectation of it.

[VegasCanuck]

10 hours ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Probably about right for when we're ready for him to come over. Needs a couple more years of development before he's even ready for the AHL.

 

[Captain Canuck #12]

4 hours ago, VegasCanuck said:

Probably about right for when we're ready for him to come over. Needs a couple more years of development before he's even ready for the AHL.

 

Then he just needs to sign one more 2-year contract and he can avoid ever having to sign with us...same as Tryamkin and Karlsson!

[Googlie]

6 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Then he just needs to sign one more 2-year contract and he can avoid ever having to sign with us...same as Tryamkin and Karlsson!

Full of negative joy today, I see 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

8 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Then he just needs to sign one more 2-year contract and he can avoid ever having to sign with us...same as Tryamkin and Karlsson!

Karlsson’s new contract doesn’t affect his draft rights.

 

The transfer agreement allows any NHL team holding draft rights on a Swedish player to sign him to an ELC, while under contract in Sweden.

 

The NHL and the Swedish Ice Hockey Association negotiate terms and renew the agreement (last one was 2020), which establishes a set level of financial compensation for every player signed to an NHL ELC out of the Swedish leagues (it’s been about $240k per player, for the first 10 players each year, and then has an escalator to $325k for players 11 and above, but those figures have probably gone up with the latest version signed in 2020).

 

The transfer agreement basically gives every player within participating leagues an out clause to sign an NHL entry level deal with the NHL team holding their draft rights, and also compensates the Euro teams losing those players (the NHL team pays the hockey federation for the country, and then the federation distributes the money, usually between all the teams that helped develop the player).

 

So Karlsson’s new deal doesn’t change anything. The Canucks hold his rights until June 1, 2022, and can sign him to a contract within that window. A signed ELC will break any Swedish pro contract, and compensation will be paid out accordingly.

[Captain Canuck #12]

51 minutes ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Karlsson’s new contract doesn’t affect his draft rights.

 

The transfer agreement allows any NHL team holding draft rights on a Swedish player to sign him to an ELC, while under contract in Sweden.

 

The NHL and the Swedish Ice Hockey Association negotiate terms and renew the agreement (last one was 2020), which establishes a set level of financial compensation for every player signed to an NHL ELC out of the Swedish leagues (it’s been about $240k per player, for the first 10 players each year, and then has an escalator to $325k for players 11 and above, but those figures have probably gone up with the latest version signed in 2020).

 

The transfer agreement basically gives every player within participating leagues an out clause to sign an NHL entry level deal with the NHL team holding their draft rights, and also compensates the Euro teams losing those players (the NHL team pays the hockey federation for the country, and then the federation distributes the money, usually between all the teams that helped develop the player).

 

So Karlsson’s new deal doesn’t change anything. The Canucks hold his rights until June 1, 2022, and can sign him to a contract within that window. A signed ELC will break any Swedish pro contract, and compensation will be paid out accordingly.

Sure, but what I'm getting at is that by signing their new contracts, both Karlsson and Tryamkin can avoid having to sign with us for another two years.  Then, once those contracts are up, they can sign with any NHL team they choose -- if I'm interpreting this correctly.  If so, then Jurmo could essentially do the same thing by signing one more contract in Finland after his new one expires, if he for some reason wants to avoid signing with us.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Captain Canuck #12

[BCNate]

Glad to hear he is staying in Finland for a few more years.  He is a real long shot to begin with, no sense in rushing him..

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

43 minutes ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Sure, but what I'm getting at is that by signing their new contracts, both Karlsson and Tryamkin can avoid having to sign with us for another two years.  Then, once those contracts are up, they can sign with any NHL team they choose -- if I'm interpreting this correctly.  If so, then Jurmo could essentially do the same thing by signing one more contract in Sweden after his new one expires, if he for some reason wants to avoid signing with us.

I think it’s important to separate Tryamkin from the discussion, because his status is completely different. He’s not under draft rights, and there’s no transfer agreement. For Tryamkin to have been signed, he needed to be out of contract in Russia (either by expiry or buy out). Otherwise, he can’t sign an NHL deal. So his re-signing with Avto is pretty much the final nail in the coffin, when it comes to him ever playing for the Canucks again.

 

For drafted prospects within transfer agreement systems, they can be signed, so long as the draft rights are in effect, so the contracts in their European leagues don’t really matter.

 

Karlsson and Jurmo need to play somewhere. To play in their respective Euro leagues (SHL, Liiga), they need to be under contract. The length of those contracts don’t really signal anything, when it comes to their NHL aspirations. If the Canucks decide to offer an ELC to either of them, it breaks their European contracts, and they are free to leave those systems.

 

And I’m pretty confident both would sign, without hesitation, if offered an NHL ELC by Vancouver.

 

The transfer agreements basically lets the European pro leagues operate like farm systems for the NHL. NHL teams are free to leave those players to develop as long as they feel it’s needed (within the term of the draft rights), and then offer contacts when they feel the player is ready to transition to the NHL/AHL.

 

Karlsson extending his SHL contract through 2022-23 really shouldn’t be interpreted as him signally his refusal to sign an ELC with Vancouver any time before June 1, 2022.

 

I mean, sure, it’s true than any drafted prospect can technically avoid signing with the NHL team holding his rights. He just has to refuse to sign offers and then wait for rights to expire. But it’s extremely rare. Almost never happens, other than maybe a handful of players each decade, mostly from the NCAA. 
 

A European player signing an extension with his European team, while under a transfer agreement, shouldn’t be interpreted as him planning to hold out for NHL free agency, since, by virtue of the transfer agreements, those European contracts don’t prevent him from signing an ELC with the NHL team holding his draft rights. 
 

Toni Utunen’s Liiga contract is also expiring this season. He’ll probably sign again somewhere in Finland, possibly even for another 2-3 years. But that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t still jump at the chance to accept an NHL ELC, if the Canucks offered one between now and when his draft rights expire on June 1, 2022. 

Edited May 4, 2021 by SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME

[Rick Blight]

1 hour ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

Sure, but what I'm getting at is that by signing their new contracts, both Karlsson and Tryamkin can avoid having to sign with us for another two years.  Then, once those contracts are up, they can sign with any NHL team they choose -- if I'm interpreting this correctly.  If so, then Jurmo could essentially do the same thing by signing one more contract in Finland after his new one expires, if he for some reason wants to avoid signing with us.

What is it that you want players like Karlsson and Jurmo to do? What is it that you would want the Canucks to do?

 

The Canucks are only allowed to have 50 players on contract and they currently sit at 48 so they need to be careful with who they are offering  ELC's to. For example, Canadian Junior players have to sign an ELC within 2 years of being drafted or they become eligible to go back into the draft. Players like Ethan Keppen would fall into this category so they may want to use 1 of their 2 remaining contracts on him. They may want to use the 50th contract on Podkolzin. They may want to keep a spot or two open for some flexibility to make trades before the expansion draft. The players are just trying to give themselves some financial stability while they try to demonstrate they can play at an AHL/NHL level at some point.

 

If players like Jurmo or Karlsson don't want to sign with the Canucks that is certainly within their rights but the contracts they have signed really don't impact those decisions one way or another.

Edited May 4, 2021 by Rick Blight

[joe-max]

It is the right decision. Jurmo struggled to crack the lineup of the worst team in Liiga. He needs to establish himself on the highest level in Finland before he is moved to the AHL.

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

I noticed on Jurmo's eliteprospects page that he's slated to start next season with Jukurit in the Liiga (after being affiliated with JYP this last season). 

 

I don't recall ever hearing about this transaction. Does anyone happen to know the rationale behind it?