[Report] Anthony Duclair not qualified, rejects 'substantial raise' from Ottawa

[Dazzle]

9 minutes ago, Pete M said:

Sometimes a player needs to take a step back, look around, and realize he may have it pretty good playing for a team that signed him when nobody else wanted him.

At one point, Duclair went on waivers and nobody picked him up....I know he had a good season, but sometimes it's better to prove that you can stick and play consistent in order to get more money down the road.

 

Duclair isn't recognizing the situation he is in and how other teams view him. Going on waivers and nobody picking him up is a big sign.

Good points. He's also representing himself now. Honestly Duclair is not worth pursuing. Duclair is slightly more proven than Virtanen. Rather would have Virtanen.

[IBatch]

2 hours ago, rekker said:

Love these guys who are their own agents. Power to the Man!

Jamie Benn cleaned house (fired his agent) and went out and cleaned house again with his legacy deal.   Greedy greedy guy ha ha. 

[Whale Tail]

31 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said:

With Ottawa not sure it was substantial at all, cheapest team in the league. Did he have arbitration rights? 

Best me to it. Who knows what a I’lll “substantial” offer looks like from the cheapest team in the league, during covid no less. 

[-AJ-]

Strikes me as a bit entitled. Can't seem to hold a long-term job anywhere. Not really interested.

[JeremyCuddles]

Why not just qualify him if you're willing to give a "substantial raise". If he accepts it but doesn't wanna stay long term, trade him. 

[GB5]

5 teams in five years. Was last season a breakout or a one off?. 

 

I would make this a hard pass.

[Dazzle]

22 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

Why not just qualify him if you're willing to give a "substantial raise". If he accepts it but doesn't wanna stay long term, trade him. 

OTT doesn't want to be stuck having to deal with this player, and honestly, I don't blame them.

[D-Money]

4 hours ago, Dazzle said:

This dude has already played on five different teams at 25 years old. He  seems to be a getting, perhaps unfairly, a reputation for being a headcase. Also this past season, I saw that he had 46 giveaways, versus 18 takeaways. No thanks.

Doesn't necessarily mean much, especially for a player counted on to produce offense. Chris Tanev had 45 giveaways, and 20 takeaways. Also similar to OEL, Kuznetsov, Morrissey.

 

The league leaders in giveaways are Matthew Barzal, Leon Draisaitl, and David Pastrnak. Offensive players need to take chances, and sometimes it just doesn't work.

[JeremyCuddles]

2 hours ago, Dazzle said:

OTT doesn't want to be stuck having to deal with this player, and honestly, I don't blame them.

The fact they offered him a contract says otherwise. 23 goals for a team as bad as the Sens, they'd be stupid to not want him. 

[c00kies]

2 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

The fact they offered him a contract says otherwise. 23 goals for a team as bad as the Sens, they'd be stupid to not want him. 

Is this big fish in small pond though? That's the way I'm leaning.

[Dazzle]

11 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

The fact they offered him a contract says otherwise. 23 goals for a team as bad as the Sens, they'd be stupid to not want him. 

Have you not considered that there are multiple scenarios to this?

 

1) Use of the words "substantial raise" - potential attempt to frame Duclair as 'greedy' or 'unreasonable'. After all, Dorion made a point of mentioning that Duclarir is representing himself. This could soften the negotiations because Ottawa is portraying themselves to sound reasonable. Also, this could burn bridges with the other GMs, leaving Duclair with little option but to compromise.

2) It might not even be that substantial of a raise - but the point was to establish a "take it or leave" scenario with Duclair.

3) Maybe Duclair is, in fact, unreasonable.

 

There are other possibiltiies, I'm sure, but this is just off the top of my head. It's not as simple as white and black.

Edited October 8, 2020 by Dazzle

[JeremyCuddles]

3 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Have you not considered that there are multiple scenarios to this?

 

1) Use of the words "substantial raise" - potential attempt to frame Duclair as 'greedy' or 'unreasonable'. After all, Dorion made a point of mentioning that Duclarir is representing himself. This could soften the negotiations because Ottawa is portraying themselves to sound reasonable. Also, this could burn bridges with the other GMs, leaving Duclair with little option but to compromise.

2) It might not even be that substantial of a raise - but the point was to establish a "take it or leave" scenario with Duclair.

3) Maybe Duclair is, in fact, unreasonable.

 

There are other possibiltiies, I'm sure, but this is just off the top of my head. It's not as simple as white and black.

So you spoke about this situation as a certainty that Ottawa flat out doesn't want him, but only I am the one that isn't considering there are multiple possibilities. Interesting, irony even. Yes, there is a possiblity there are multiple scenarios to this. Possibly Ottawa is okay being "stuck" with them and this is a negotiating tactic. Lol. But hey, just I am not considering other possible scenarios Mr jump to conclusions.

[Dazzle]

Just now, N7Nucks said:

So you spoke about this situation as a certainty that Ottawa flat out doesn't want him, but only I am the one that isn't considering there are multiple possibilities. Interesting, irony even. Yes, there is a possiblity there are multiple scenarios to this. Possibly Ottawa is okay being "stuck" with them and this is a negotiating tactic. Lol. But hey, just I am not considering other possible scenarios Mr jump to conclusions.

All I can say is I'm not surprised that Ottawa found an excuse to get rid of him. Why qualify him and then run the risk of arbitration?

Edited October 8, 2020 by Dazzle

[JeremyCuddles]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

All I can say is I'm not surprised that Ottawa found an excuse to get rid of him. Why qualify him and then run the risk of arbitration?

I guess if the fear is he makes like 4+ mil through arbitration, I wouldn't do it either. But that's not me not wanting him or wanting nothing to do with him. That's just me being worried about whether he is a legit top 6 guy. If I am Ottawa I want him back. Just not at potential arbitration money. 2 years around 3m per seems fair. Until he proves he can produce 20+ goals in consecutive seasons. 

[Dazzle]

Just now, N7Nucks said:

I guess if the fear is he makes like 4+ mil through arbitration, I wouldn't do it either. But that's not me not wanting him or wanting nothing to do with him. That's just me being worried about whether he is a legit top 6 guy. If I am Ottawa I want him back. Just not at potential arbitration money. 2 years around 3m per seems fair. Until he proves he can produce 20+ goals in consecutive seasons. 

Of course he's an intriguing player to have on the team. It's figuring how much is too much for him? Sometimes when you're representing yourself, you may not necessarily do a good job. (You may do too good of job for yourself, but not good enough to close the deal)

[JeremyCuddles]

4 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Of course he's an intriguing player to have on the team. It's figuring how much is too much for him? Sometimes when you're representing yourself, you may not necessarily do a good job. (You may do too good of job for yourself, but not good enough to close the deal)

Didn't get this far by not believing in himself. Maybe he believes in himself too much and expects too much money. Maybe he just doesn't like Ottawa. Lol. I dunno. Either way I expect Duclair and Ottawa are worse off separating. 

[oldnews]

6 hours ago, Wanless said:

Substantial raise from 1.65 mil? Sounds like he thinks he's more than a third liner.

 

Also, I have a feeling that Ottawa is trying to cut costs and that his qualifying offer was more than his raise.

 

 

Scoring 23 goals, 2nd on his team - might tend to give a player that impression....

just a handful of forwards who had as much ice time as him - and one of them (Pageau) was dealt

 

It might make sense to avoid qualifying him though - if they fear he takes those points to arbitration....

 

"substantial", though is relatively ambiguous - who knows what that offer actually is/was.

[Dazzle]

Just now, N7Nucks said:

Didn't get this far by not believing in himself. Maybe he believes in himself too much and expects too much money. Maybe he just doesn't like Ottawa. Lol. I dunno. Either way I expect Duclair and Ottawa are worse off separating. 

It's like that girlfriend who breaks up with their last boyfriend, and another guy comes into the picture. That's how things have been with Duclair so far.

[Chickenspear]

7 minutes ago, N7Nucks said:

I guess if the fear is he makes like 4+ mil through arbitration, I wouldn't do it either. But that's not me not wanting him or wanting nothing to do with him. That's just me being worried about whether he is a legit top 6 guy. If I am Ottawa I want him back. Just not at potential arbitration money. 2 years around 3m per seems fair. Until he proves he can produce 20+ goals in consecutive seasons. 

I doubt arbitration had anything to do with it. Seeing as how he turned down a "substantial" amount (from last years salary of $1.65m), I'd guess it would have been above what arbitration would have been. This is just a case of a player wanting to get the hell out of a sinking ship. 

 

To your other point of them worrying if he's a top 6 guy, I'd say him and Tkachuk the closest they have to it. They are the top 6. 

[Dazzle]

Just now, oldnews said:

Scoring 23 goals, 2nd on his team - might tend to give a player that impression....

just a handful of forwards who had as much ice time as him - and one of them (Pageau) was dealt

 

It might make sense to avoid qualifying him though - if they fear he takes those points to arbitration....

 

"substantial", though is relatively ambiguous - who knows what that offer actually is/was.

It's worth noting that Duclair really only did score 2 goals in the last 29 games. He went almost three months without scoring (from December 21, 2019 to March 16th, 2020), and then another month without scoring. He's streaky. The 20+ goal season is kind of misleading.