[Proposal] Fixing the Cap Eriksson and 2021 2nd rounder to TBL for........

[Arrow 1983]

To TBL

Eriksson and 2021 2nd rounder

 

To Vancouver  

Cernak

Johnson

Killorn

 

This trade took me sometime messing around with Capfriendly to make it work and it sounds absolutely stupid until you get into it deeper

 

Why TBL does this

 

1) believe it or not it is a cap dump for them they save 3.45 mill 

2) They Can save another 1.075 mill. Bury Eriksson for a total of 4.525mill in savings

3) This trade ends up as a 2021 2nd rounder and 4.525 mill cap savings for Cernak 

 

Why Vancouver does this

1) A 2nd for Cernak is a steal for Cernak. He is a top 4 right shot Dman who is good in his own end is 23 years old so can still in prove and unlike a 2nd rounder is ready to play now and we know what we are getting in him and his age fits in with our current core.

2) can probably be signed for 3.5-4.0mill for 3-4 years so he will be cap controlled for a few years

3) A 2nd round pick is probably to much of a steal a late 1st might get it done but the Canucks will probably have a mid range 1st so I wouldn't give it up for Cernak so we take Johnson and Killorn. Why the heck would they do that? simple Toffoli is gone and we need decent wingers for Horvat or the merry go round will continue for him like it did Kesler changing wingers every year some where pretty sub par. For the next 3 years Horvat and Pettersson will know who their wingers are.

4) What about Virtanen there is no way we can afford Virtanen with these 2 wingers now. Tradable asset, that's right we can now trade Virtanen maybe for a second. Now this trade is Virtanen and Eriksson for these  3 guys.

5) Or Virtanen and Beagle for a 2nd tier prospect, now its a cap dump trade for the Canucks. Eriksson Beagle Virtanen and a 2nd for Cernak Johnson killorn and a 2nd tier prospect

 

Conclusion

Canucks can do this cause they have cap space. They could have sign Toffoli for 5.00mill per and Virtanen for 3.0mill per and Tanev for 5 mill per and stayed with in the cap. Tanev is gone Toffoli doesn't look like he is coming back and Virtanen is a toss up for most fans. Eriksson can't play the game any longer and this fan base is done with the little things argument. Sutter will be gone next year and if Gaud can't fill the third line center position Johnson can. Pearsson is probably gone next season as well and we need line mates for Horvat. TBL Can do this because well TBL has to do this or something like this because their Cap structure is a mess. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[Arrow 1983]

I meant to post this in arm chair gming move please

[Phil_314]

Why would they want all that dead cap going back?  Sure, other teams have been playing hardball to steal guys from them but even so other teams would give up young, low cost assets and not another dead weight going back.  Even after this move they still have major RFA's to sign in Cirelli (Selke caliber center as proven this playoffs) and Sergachev (young big mobile top-4 D man).  If only fans on this site would learn to make balanced trade proposals that don't just favor us.    

[Arrow 1983]

10 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Why would they want all that dead cap going back?  Sure, other teams have been playing hardball to steal guys from them but even so other teams would give up young, low cost assets and not another dead weight going back.  Even after this move they still have major RFA's to sign in Cirelli (Selke caliber center as proven this playoffs) and Sergachev (young big mobile top-4 D man).  If only fans on this site would learn to make balanced trade proposals that don't just favor us.    

Eriksson is dead weight 

 

Johnsson and Killorn aren't

 

Johnsson is over paid by a million

Killorn is a fair deal

 

we get Johnsson at 5mill for Eriksson 6.00 which is a 1mill savings and Johnsson can still play the game 

 

Killorn is at 4.45mill with Eriksson savings he is like 3.45 mill and he plays the game really well

 

the problem with Johnsson contract is term not money but I'm sure we will get far more out of Johnsson then we will Eriksson

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[Arrow 1983]

10 minutes ago, Phil_314 said:

Why would they want all that dead cap going back?  Sure, other teams have been playing hardball to steal guys from them but even so other teams would give up young, low cost assets and not another dead weight going back.  Even after this move they still have major RFA's to sign in Cirelli (Selke caliber center as proven this playoffs) and Sergachev (young big mobile top-4 D man).  If only fans on this site would learn to make balanced trade proposals that don't just favor us.    

Or you are talking about TBL

 

in which it is a 4.525 million savings for them as I explained and a 2nd round pick and they just found out Johnsson isn't going anywhere unless they give something up or take something

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[Where's Wellwood]

1 minute ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Or you are talking about TBL

 

in which it is a 4.525 million savings for them as I explained and a 2nd round pick

I think he's asking why would TBL choose to drop cap in this trade where they are getting back a 2nd and a player with negative value. TBL could do a similar trade with a different team where the 6M they take back has some use. Or they take back less than 6M.

 

 

[Arrow 1983]

I would like to point out one thing 

 

when a trade looks like it will help both teams and hurt both teams it's called a hockey trade

 

TBL doesn't want to lose Cernak for a 2nd and take on Eriksson but they want cap space and they get something for Cernak

 

The Canucks probably don't want to take on the term of Johnsson but probably want a guy like Cernak

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[Kevin Biestra]

 

[Arrow 1983]

13 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

I think he's asking why would TBL choose to drop cap in this trade where they are getting back a 2nd and a player with negative value. TBL could do a similar trade with a different team where the 6M they take back has some use. Or they take back less than 6M.

 

 

first if the 6 mill has useful it will be on the team and they don't want that

 

second no team would just ask TBL to retain .500k on Johnsson other wise I could have seen a team just picking him up for nothing. So then TBL is left with having to give up something in my scenario they give something up and get something back 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[Arrow 1983]

5 minutes ago, Kevin Biestra said:

 

I don't see how it's wishful thinking

 

Also I don't see it happening just curious if people would do the deal

[Drakrami]

Sure you "steal" Cernak. But you are also stuck with Johnson and Killorn for the next 3-4 years. And when its our turn to re-sign Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser, this is when the pain will show. 

[Arrow 1983]

20 minutes ago, Drakrami said:

Sure you "steal" Cernak. But you are also stuck with Johnson and Killorn for the next 3-4 years. And when its our turn to re-sign Pettersson, Hughes and Boeser, this is when the pain will show. 

Nope already considered that 

 

We can all agree Eriksson might be the first unmovable player if so he will be here this season and next season no matter what

 

therefor Eriksson will be here When Petty and Hughes gets re-sighed 

 

in this trade the Canucks only take on an extra 3.45million 

 

Cernak replaces Tanev and that 3.45 million fills in the winger spot for Horvat which could have been Virtanen this season or still some un name player that hasn't been signed or traded for.

 

remember Edler and Benn 8 mill come off the D next season and Sutter and Pearson off as well on forward 8.125 mill

 

Beagal and Roussel come off when Boeser has to re-sign ( or one of these guys are traded prior to Boeser re-signing)

 

Killorn and Ferland off when Horvat Miller re-signs 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[wai_lai416]

38 minutes ago, Arrow 1983 said:

Or you are talking about TBL

 

in which it is a 4.525 million savings for them as I explained and a 2nd round pick and they just found out Johnsson isn't going anywhere unless they give something up or take something

or tampa bay can easily trade those guys for a 2nd or more without the eriksson? why do they want eriksson again? 

[Arrow 1983]

2 minutes ago, wai_lai416 said:

or tampa bay can easily trade those guys for a 2nd or more without the eriksson? why do they want eriksson again? 

They couldn't waive Johnsson so they will have to take something back retain more cap 

 

Or give something Up most likely more then this offer

 

they also have 3 big name RFAs to sign and they will have to move more then just Johnsson

 

They are going to have to move an RFA

 

 

Edited October 11, 2020 by Arrow 1983

[wai_lai416]

Just now, Arrow 1983 said:

They couldn't waive Johnsson so they will have to take something back retain more cap 

 

Or give something Up most likely more then this offer

 

they also have 3 big name RFAs to sign and they will have to move more then just Johnsson

 

 

so why they don't give cernak to the cap floor teams for free if they are willing to take the other 1 or 2 cap dump and have 0 caps coming back? or even retention on 1 or 2 of them? why would they dump 9 mil worth of players just to save 4mil? the 2 cap dump can still play in the league unlike eriksson just not worth the cap hit.. they can prolly find a cap floor team to actually take them with retention or no retention depending on what kind of sweetener they are willing to give up without taking any dead caps back that can't even play.

[Dixon Ward]

What about Cernak and Killorn for Benn and a 3rd in 2022.  This would give them an nhl dman and 2.5 mil in cap relief this year and 4.5 for 2 years after that.  Plus they wouldn't have to come up with money for Cermak.

 

For us this would replace Tanev and Toffoli and save us from overpaying a UFA.  

[Arrow 1983]

1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said:

so why they don't give cernak to the cap floor teams for free if they are willing to take the other 1 or 2 cap dump and have 0 caps coming back? or even retention on 1 or 2 of them? why would they dump 9 mil worth of players just to save 4mil? the 2 cap dump can still play in the league unlike eriksson just not worth the cap hit.. they can prolly find a cap floor team to actually take them with retention or no retention depending on what kind of sweetener they are willing to give up without taking any dead caps back that can't even play.

So what your saying is Johnsson and Cernak for nothing in return or future considerations 

 

or in other words Cernnak for 5 million cap

[Arrow 1983]

1 minute ago, Dixon Ward said:

What about Cernak and Killorn for Benn and a 3rd in 2022.  This would give them an nhl dman and 2.5 mil in cap relief this year and 4.5 for 2 years after that.  Plus they wouldn't have to come up with money for Cermak.

 

For us this would replace Tanev and Toffoli and save us from overpaying a UFA.  

they don't want cap period Benn is 2 mill cap hit

[wai_lai416]

Just now, Arrow 1983 said:

So what your saying is Johnsson and Cernak for nothing in return or future considerations 

 

or in other words Cernnak for 5 million cap

or those + draft picks for literally nothing in return is a lot more enticing to any team than eriksson + anything.. at least those guys can play and make contribution and great character guys.

[Arrow 1983]

3 minutes ago, Dixon Ward said:

What about Cernak and Killorn for Benn and a 3rd in 2022.  This would give them an nhl dman and 2.5 mil in cap relief this year and 4.5 for 2 years after that.  Plus they wouldn't have to come up with money for Cermak.

 

For us this would replace Tanev and Toffoli and save us from overpaying a UFA.  

Killorn has value Cernak has value they are going to want more then a 3rd and Benn