[Signing] Red Wings sign Vladislav Namestnikov

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[Devron]

Red wings loading up 

[Spoosh]

Wings might not be at the bottom next year. Nothing unreal, but should be better for sure with what has been happening lately. Not just the signings, but with who are gone too.

[Pavel the Bure]

Yzerman is turning Detroit in 1 year, great signings 

[Nucker 67]

Gonna be better than VAN pretty soon

 

Wakey wakey Jim

[c00kies]

Solid deal! These are the covid saving deals that slash 1M off the usual price.

[theo5789]

4 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Gonna be better than VAN pretty soon

 

Wakey wakey Jim

Signs Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan. Better than Vancouver soon with these additions after being one of the worst teams in the league last season. Right.

 

People complain for years for Benning to now make UFA signings anymore and now are freaking out because we aren't making UFA signings. Even more funny that they think that Benning is done already for the offseason leaving a gaping hole on RD and filling it with Benn and Chatfield/Rafferty.

[86Viking]

Good deal, these cheap signings are a tell tale sign to me our contracts we want to dump hold NEGATIVE value, we couldn't dump a contract unless we gave a nice sweetener...Flat cap times are here. Personally, we should be trying to lock up Hughes and Petey right now...that would give us something to talk about at least haha!

[Nucker 67]

4 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Signs Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan. Better than Vancouver soon with these additions after being one of the worst teams in the league last season. Right.

 

People complain for years for Benning to now make UFA signings anymore and now are freaking out because we aren't making UFA signings. Even more funny that they think that Benning is done already for the offseason leaving a gaping hole on RD and filling it with Benn and Chatfield/Rafferty.

Not freaking out, I won't be losing my job over this. Disappointed though. Yeah, Benning will probably pick up a couple of okay Dmen, so they don't have to rely on Rafferty and Chatfield. There's just no money, because Benning tied a lot of that up with the Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, Beagle, Ferland and Spooner contracts. 

[oldnews]

Why the wings signing these veteran bumbs, projects, placeholders? 

Shoulda let the kids play.

Or take cap dumps for picks.

Yzerman doesn't know how'da rebuild.

Namestnikov is 27 and hasn't shown anything for a few years now, after one good season.

2 million in a deflated cap climate is 3 million 'normally' - and that's too much.

 

/s

good risk/gamble imo - I think Namestnikov might pay off.

[Provost]

21 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Signs Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan. Better than Vancouver soon with these additions after being one of the worst teams in the league last season. Right.

 

People complain for years for Benning to now make UFA signings anymore and now are freaking out because we aren't making UFA signings. Even more funny that they think that Benning is done already for the offseason leaving a gaping hole on RD and filling it with Benn and Chatfield/Rafferty.

Detroit picked up Marc Staal, Stecher, and Merrill to help their defence and those guys will.  He picked up Griess to help in goal.  He picked up Ryan and Namestikov to stabilize the forward group.  He also had a ton of draft picks from shrewd moves.  All the contracts are short term and for low dollars.  He also still has $18 million in unused cap space for when his team is more ready to actually compete.  In a similar position we signed a lot of expensive veterans to long term contracts and were a cap strapped bottom 5 team.  I wouldn't be surprised at all if Detroit surpasses us within a couple of years.

Signing cheap short term UFAs is not the same as overpaying for UFAs and giving them longer term than anyone else is willing to.

We can't judge what Benning has done on anything except what he has actually done.  He doesn't have any sort of guaranteed deals in place for a top 4 RD, that isn't how trades work.  He might want to get one, but he has been able to execute exactly zero trades so far this offseason.  It would be a stretch to imagine that he can upgrade on both Tanev and Stecher at this point... if he can somehow get us Risto and Cernak, great... do it.  don't give him credit for things he hasn't done.

Edited October 11, 2020 by Provost

[Phil_314]

Good depth.  Wings are at least starting to look respectable (Fabbri/ Namestnikov/ Zadina/ Ryan should at least be adequate 2nd line fill-in's in a pinch and probably at worst 3rd line players, so the trash below can settle in the right place now, and at least they added NHL D-men in Stecher and Merrill; Staal's probably close to being done but on a bottom pair it can't hurt too badly seeing how he's an expiring deal and they got a pick; Greiss/ Bernier is also at least respectable).  Depending on which kids (Seider/ Raymond?) come up they could be even stronger though their LD is admittedly still weak (Nemeth/ Merrill/ Staal).  No more getting blown out of their own building.

[theo5789]

6 minutes ago, Provost said:

Signing cheap short term UFAs is not the same as overpaying for UFAs and giving them longer term than anyone else is willing to.

We can't judge what Benning has done on anything except what he has actually done.  He doesn't have any sort of guaranteed deals in place for a top 4 RD, that isn't how trades work.  He might want to get one, but he has been able to execute exactly zero trades so far this offseason.  It would be a stretch to imagine that he can upgrade on both Tanev and Stecher at this point... if he can somehow get us Risto and Cernak, great... do it.  don't give him credit for things he hasn't done.

Never gave him any credit for anything he hasn't done. But to think we are done with our offseason at this point is naive.

 

People have been clamouring to play our youth. Signing short term UFAs prevents that and if the youth beats them out, then we have more cap issues. We need to resolve a top 4 RD issue and until the season starts, there's no reason to think Benning isn't doing everything he can to acquire a quality piece there.

 

But I get it, the whiners have to get it out of their system before Benning does resolve this. Namestikov was never an option for us, so not sure how this would trigger a Benning rant once again.

[iinatcc]

23 minutes ago, theo5789 said:

Signs Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan. Better than Vancouver soon with these additions after being one of the worst teams in the league last season. Right.

 

People complain for years for Benning to now make UFA signings anymore and now are freaking out because we aren't making UFA signings. Even more funny that they think that Benning is done already for the offseason leaving a gaping hole on RD and filling it with Benn and Chatfield/Rafferty.

Well maybe if Benning didn't jump the gun and waited once the Canucks is actually a destination for quality players want to sign to then maybe Benning could sign some good players now instead of over paying the likes of Beagle, Sutter, and Eriksson.  

[theo5789]

4 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Well maybe if Benning didn't jump the gun and waited once the Canucks is actually a destination for quality players want to sign to then maybe Benning could sign some good players now instead of over paying the likes of Beagle, Sutter, and Eriksson.  

How does that make signing Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan closer to making them better than us now?

[iinatcc]

Just now, theo5789 said:

How does that make signing Namestikov, Stecher and Ryan closer to making them better than us now?

Well for a start having a 2 million Namestikov and his offensive production sure looks better than a 3 million Beagle 

[Dazzle]

3 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Well maybe if Benning didn't jump the gun and waited once the Canucks is actually a destination for quality players want to sign to then maybe Benning could sign some good players now instead of over paying the likes of Beagle, Sutter, and Eriksson.  

So this whole thing is just a repetition of what was already said - that Benning overpaid for FAs a few years ago, and we're still talking about it.

 

Look at this situation here. Benning is being patient now about signing FAs, especially signing people for longer term, and is still being criticized for not signing FAs. That's some anti-Benning stuff for you here.

[Dazzle]

Just now, iinatcc said:

Well for a start having a 2 million Namestikov and his offensive production sure looks better than a 3 million Beagle 

If we could have signed someone for 2 million, we could have. We have space to do this. Furthermore, we can go above the cap if we choose to do so. The very criticism that you are making about Benning overspending on FA is now taking the form of Benning not spending money on FAs, even if it meant that Benning 'learned' about overspending from last time.

The discussion taking place is such a joke lol.

[oldnews]

5 minutes ago, iinatcc said:

Well for a start having a 2 million Namestikov and his offensive production sure looks better than a 3 million Beagle 

hot take.

 

The Canucks have a 31 pt in 65 game Roussel past season - Namestnikov has not outproduced that since leaving Tampa - this is his 4th stop by the way....

 

Roussel did that at 13:46/game, with 38% offensive zone starts....Namestnikov played more minutes, had 1:41 of powerplay ice time/game in Ottawa, over 2 minutes/game in NYR...

 

Roussel has the better 5on5 goal metrics, better production in context, and arguably there not so much to provide secondary scoring, as being 'hard to play against'.  It's hard to argue that Namestnikov has been as good as Roussel....and the Namestnikov contract you are referring to - was signed post Covid, in this deflated buyers market where values in general have tanked.

 

The reason I bring Roussel up here - I would rather move his $3 contract than Beagle's....for a number of reasons.....

If Namestnikov doesn't evidently measure up better than Roussel - there is no real substance to negatively referencing Benning's contracts.

[Elias Pettersson]

41 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Not freaking out, I won't be losing my job over this. Disappointed though. Yeah, Benning will probably pick up a couple of okay Dmen, so they don't have to rely on Rafferty and Chatfield. There's just no money, because Benning tied a lot of that up with the Eriksson, Sutter, Roussel, Beagle, Ferland and Spooner contracts. 

That's not true.  We will have over $7 million in cap to spend to get a solid top 4 Dman and another forward once Gaudette and Virtanen are signed, Ferland is put on LTIR and Baertschi is sent back to Utica.