hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 9 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I feel if Wallestedt is at 9, and if Hughes, Clarke, Edvinsson is gone, you take Wallestedt . High key would hate to see Wallestedt drafted by Calgary at 12 I'm all for taking Wallstedt however I also think there are teams that will be chomping at the bit to acquire our pick to draft him sooo the possible return might make it more worthwhile to move down. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Regarding trading the pick we should of course consider it for the right deal, but one thing that often gets overlooked is that you need a constant pool of young players on ELC making the team to stay good over time. So having a player from this draft make the team in 2-3 years is equally important vs adding a good player via trade this year. Especially since we're not ready to contend yet anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 33 minutes ago, hammertime said: I'm all for taking Wallstedt however I also think there are teams that will be chomping at the bit to acquire our pick to draft him sooo the possible return might make it more worthwhile to move down. I think the usual cost of moving up a couple spots to draft earlier is like a 2nd round pick. Is that enough for you? Just wondering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 If GMJB was able to trade down and get another 2nd Rd pick I'd be fine with Wallstedt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, DontMessMe said: I think the usual cost of moving up a couple spots to draft earlier is like a 2nd round pick. Is that enough for you? Just wondering I think if we have to choose from Guenther Johnson Wallstedt I feel like getting 2 of Svechkov, Sillinger, Ceulemans, heimosalmi and addressing 2 areas of need VS 1 nice to have would be worth it. Edited June 19, 2021 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Guest Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 20 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I think the usual cost of moving up a couple spots to draft earlier is like a 2nd round pick. Is that enough for you? Just wondering Wasn't he talking about if Wallstedt is still available at 9 though? Wouldn't that be more a 2nd and... Because, if it's say Detroit (because I hear people say Detroit is most likely to want Wallstedt) their first would already be gone. Even if it's Detroit 22nd it would still be 22nd and... Or even right across. Here's a silly hyperbolic fantasy to make a point. Wallstedt at 9 for Seider. So, that's not going to happen but as an example, yeah that would be enough. Or again just for fun... https://thehockeywriters.com/red-wings-prospect-rankings-2021/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, hammertime said: I feel like getting 2 of Svechkov, Sillinger, Ceulemans I dont think they will fall to the second round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I dont think they will fall to the second round. how about 2 late firsts from cbj or minni? maybe they like Guenther Johnson? Edited June 19, 2021 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 1 minute ago, hammertime said: how about 2 firsts from cbj or minni? Minni has 21 and 25?, I dont see Sillinger falling that far. Svechkov & Celeusman is POSSIBLE but who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 10 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: Minni has 21 and 25?, I dont see Sillinger falling that far. Svechkov & Celeusman is POSSIBLE but who knows. Sure Ceulemans Heimasalmi in the first, Koivunen , Salminen, Helenius Jake Martin with our 2nd. if we are doing the trade for only a 1st and 2nd the 1st needs to be top 15 minimum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Just now, hammertime said: Sure Ceulemans Heimasalmi in the first, Koivunen , Salminen, Helenius Jake Martin with our 2nd. if we are doing the trade for only a 1st and 2nd the 1st needs to be top 15 minimum. I feel a team might try to finesse us and offer mid 1st and 2nd. In your example wouldnt surprise me if Minni was like 21 and their 2nd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 5 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I feel a team might try to finesse us and offer mid 1st and 2nd. In your example wouldnt surprise me if Minni was like 21 and their 2nd that's a no from me dawg. would rather take Wally in that scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: I feel a team might try to finesse us and offer mid 1st and 2nd. In your example wouldnt surprise me if Minni was like 21 and their 2nd after further thought I would be OK with it if they took salary back like Roussel or something. Honestly in this flat cap era moving salary will be costly. I don't think JB does it buuuut speaking for myself I would consider it. And I like Roussel however his injuries are a real concern for me. Edited June 19, 2021 by hammertime 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Brock Boeser 2.0? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Other than Power and Beniers, every player is in play really. Who knows what he teams ahead will do. McTavish could be in the Top 3. Any chance VAN trades the #9 and DiPietro + to a team needing goaltending for a higher pick? Try to grab Clarke? Maybe take another goaltender in Round 2 or 3? That would be aggressive. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) Edit: never mind. Posted without reading the conversation first. Edited June 19, 2021 by HighOnHockey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: That was very interesting Cam's comparables were most surprising to me, and makes me wonder if this Draft class will amount to much lol Well, except for a few of them. Power - Parayko or Pietrangelo Beniers - Larkin McTavish - Dubois Clarke - Theodore Guenther - Toffoli Eklund - he didn't have a comparable Hughes - Rathbone Johnson - Baertschi Edvinsson - Ristolainen Cam also mentioned Wallstedt, and said something interesting how he could be in the NHL in 2 years, whereas it's taken Demko 7 years to get to this point. This Wallstedt kid is elite and I wonder if he's actually VAN"s best bet for the #9. Would be a great trading piece if they decide to. he also said the edvinsson's hockey sense wasn't much better than virtanens but thought he seemed like a benning type of pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, DontMessMe said: McTavish might be at 9. But I rather have Wallestedt. Gimme that FRANCHISE goalie and lets have another goalie controversy Here's a silly hypothetical. How does Stevie feel about his team? If he really likes a player at 6 and wants his cake n eat it too........ Would he do 2022 1st unprotected and a 2nd 2021 for Our 9th 2021 (Wallstedt) and say a 4th 2022? I feel like we would need to add something and by that time JB will already be crowned genius or fired so if he trades away the next GM's 4th it wont matter? He could pull a Miller trade on us and make the playoffs next year or........ We could get a lotto ticket in the big sweepstakes next years 1st unprotected cough Wright (It could even be a boat) and a high 2nd this year. Edit we don't have a 3rd next year**** Edited June 19, 2021 by hammertime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Alflives said: Who are the guys most likely to be left for us at 9? Power is no chance. Beniers is no chance. But after that, couldn’t any of these guys fall? Edvinson, Clark, Eklund, McTavish, Hughes? I’d be happy if we got any of these guys. If all those guys are gone, and we are left with Johnson or Gunther I’d hope GMJB trades the pick. Agree with Powers and Beniers also think Eklund is gone for sure . McTavish , second best center probably gone .Clark top RHD also probably gone [ I would like him as a Canuck ] . Have no idea where Gunther goes . Edvinson seems to be all over the map when it comes to Rankings could be the steal if he drops . Johnson keeps getting compared to a young EP so that would be nice and Hughes with his injury and that fact the Jack didn't hit the ground and run away with the league and Quinn's defensive troubles early this year might keep some GM's from making him there first choice . I would be Happy with any of them as well as Wallstedt if he is considered their BPA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nurnge said: Agree with Powers and Beniers also think Eklund is gone for sure . McTavish , second best center probably gone .Clark top RHD also probably gone [ I would like him as a Canuck ] . Have no idea where Gunther goes . Edvinson seems to be all over the map when it comes to Rankings could be the steal if he drops . Johnson keeps getting compared to a young EP so that would be nice and Hughes with his injury and that fact the Jack didn't hit the ground and run away with the league and Quinn's defensive troubles early this year might keep some GM's from making him there first choice . I would be Happy with any of them as well as Wallstedt if he is considered their BPA I’m just hoping we have more to choose from than Johnson and Gunther. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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