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I have been thinking about our defensemen this morning, and what we really have here, is 2 really good young defensemen in Hughes and Rathbone. While they are great, they will not be their best until they have complimentary players with them. So, until the defense is complete , we will continue to have discussions of what we should do.

 

So, it is with that in mind, that we should look at our short term and long term requirements.

 

So, my immediate question is who do we get to play with Hughes? People say Hamonic, and I really think he is a step down from what we are needed, and we really do not have the assets to be trading for one, because when you pull from one area to shore up that area, you enviably weaken the area, you were pulling from. If you want quality, you have to pay for quality, or you end up taking someone else's problems.

 

Reclamation projects seldom work, and although it is easy to point out the successful ones, people seldom list the unsuccessful ones, and there is 10 X as many of them. Is it worth a try, sure, but not in an area, that is important.

 

So, it is with that that I feel, we look trade or UFA, for our short term fix, and trade or draft, for our long term solution. IMO, we can answer all these problems, with draft picks.

 

This is the year for defensemen in the draft, and is also really pushing it time wise to have these guys ready for our up turn.........................My solution is to go heavy on RHD in this years draft. Yes, Clarke would be great, and would certainly add to the offense, but we more need a defensive Dman to compliment Hughes long term. So, I would love to see Benning go after Bradon Schneider from the Rangers, to pair up with Hughes. This will cost us our 2021-1st and IMO, another decent asset. Why? Because Schneider is a known commodity, and has already shown improvement.

 

Pairing for Hughes:.................. Short term : Hamonic............Long term Schneider

 

Now Rathbone is a special piece, as IMO, he will be the solution to 1/2 our 1st pairing. That is right, Rathbone ahead of Hughes, this is where our 2022 -1st (Unprotected) comes into play, and where there is risk. The unprotected 2022-1st offers up a chance for a trading team to have a dog in the Shane Wright sweep stakes. But that buys you a good solid #2 defenseman.

 

Alternatively, we go into UFA,but that is not a long term fix, unless you are ready to spend big money on a Dougie Hamilton.

 

So, why is this in the NHL draft page, because, IMO, we have to solve the defensive problems, now, in this draft, and we have to make choices, now, that will affect us long term.

 

If we go draft to fix our problems, we should be going hard at Clarke, who has the talent to be here in several years......IMO, he is Rathbone's partner, which then becomes the first pairing.

 

With our second Pairing, we should go after another RHD, and go big and go defensive. Jack Bar is such a beast. So to back track a bit, I would suggest we  use our 2021 - 2nd and draft one of Mailloux, Morrow, or Schmidt, and then go after Jack Bar with our 3rd.

 

But in any case, we need to be very aggressive in getting Clarke, who may be able to play with Hughes as he matures. 

 

The key whether we pick or use our pick as a trading chip is, RHD, RHD, RHD.

 

IMO, the Rangers have an abundance of young RHD, and would really like our #9............so what is it? I know BPA when picking, but when you target, you by-pass that.

 

Pick or trade

 

Develop or UFA market?

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26 minutes ago, BPA said:

That would suck if SEA gets Bedard in 2023 (the next generational talent).

Or Wright next year. All these other teams directly below them will be thinking: stupid Seattle, they'll have a worse record than us in the next 2 seasons so chances are they won't even use that first-round swap. But Seattle is thinking: I don't think there's any consensus top 7 in this draft; I like 7 players; I'm going to accumulate ping pong balls for the next 2 lotteries. So imagine if they manage to drop down all the way to number 7 but manage to get the ping pong balls for at least 2 of: Anaheim or New Jersey, Columbus, Detroit, San Jose. To extend it further, I would contact Buffalo and tell them, "I'll take Skinner off of your hands if you agree to a right-to-swap-first-rounders for the next 2 drafts." I'll also contact Vancouver with the same offer for Loui Eriksson.

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10 hours ago, R3aL said:

Last time you buzzed about a small forward it was Ehlers I guess I will give you this one and drink the koolaid! 

 

I want him to purely off your passion aha.

 

He is 5 ft 8 realistically he will probably be available for our second round pick or close to it no? 

 

I hope you are wrong and the Kraken take Holtby though.

As a lifelong Blazers fan i would be delighted if Stankoven made it to our second pick and we took him, although i am conflicted because there are some interesting RHD that should be available also. We need more picks! (I think this every draft)

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53 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

I have been thinking about our defensemen this morning, and what we really have here, is 2 really good young defensemen in Hughes and Rathbone. While they are great, they will not be their best until they have complimentary players with them. So, until the defense is complete , we will continue to have discussions of what we should do.

 

So, it is with that in mind, that we should look at our short term and long term requirements.

 

So, my immediate question is who do we get to play with Hughes? People say Hamonic, and I really think he is a step down from what we are needed, and we really do not have the assets to be trading for one, because when you pull from one area to shore up that area, you enviably weaken the area, you were pulling from. If you want quality, you have to pay for quality, or you end up taking someone else's problems.

 

Reclamation projects seldom work, and although it is easy to point out the successful ones, people seldom list the unsuccessful ones, and there is 10 X as many of them. Is it worth a try, sure, but not in an area, that is important.

 

So, it is with that that I feel, we look trade or UFA, for our short term fix, and trade or draft, for our long term solution. IMO, we can answer all these problems, with draft picks.

 

This is the year for defensemen in the draft, and is also really pushing it time wise to have these guys ready for our up turn.........................My solution is to go heavy on RHD in this years draft. Yes, Clarke would be great, and would certainly add to the offense, but we more need a defensive Dman to compliment Hughes long term. So, I would love to see Benning go after Bradon Schneider from the Rangers, to pair up with Hughes. This will cost us our 2021-1st and IMO, another decent asset. Why? Because Schneider is a known commodity, and has already shown improvement.

 

Pairing for Hughes:.................. Short term : Hamonic............Long term Schneider

 

Now Rathbone is a special piece, as IMO, he will be the solution to 1/2 our 1st pairing. That is right, Rathbone ahead of Hughes, this is where our 2022 -1st (Unprotected) comes into play, and where there is risk. The unprotected 2022-1st offers up a chance for a trading team to have a dog in the Shane Wright sweep stakes. But that buys you a good solid #2 defenseman.

 

Alternatively, we go into UFA,but that is not a long term fix, unless you are ready to spend big money on a Dougie Hamilton.

 

So, why is this in the NHL draft page, because, IMO, we have to solve the defensive problems, now, in this draft, and we have to make choices, now, that will affect us long term.

 

If we go draft to fix our problems, we should be going hard at Clarke, who has the talent to be here in several years......IMO, he is Rathbone's partner, which then becomes the first pairing.

 

With our second Pairing, we should go after another RHD, and go big and go defensive. Jack Bar is such a beast. So to back track a bit, I would suggest we  use our 2021 - 2nd and draft one of Mailloux, Morrow, or Schmidt, and then go after Jack Bar with our 3rd.

 

But in any case, we need to be very aggressive in getting Clarke, who may be able to play with Hughes as he matures. 

 

The key whether we pick or use our pick as a trading chip is, RHD, RHD, RHD.

 

IMO, the Rangers have an abundance of young RHD, and would really like our #9............so what is it? I know BPA when picking, but when you target, you by-pass that.

 

Pick or trade

 

Develop or UFA market?

Please no Schneider. There's got to be better options. I know some people really like the player, but personally I have zero doubt you get a better player at 9 this year. Yes, he had a big year offensively at 19 in junior, but so did Jared Cowen. If a first round D doesn't put up numbers at 19, that is a red flag, not so much a green light if they do. Incredible defending in his own zone, no doubt, and has some solid skills, but kid just coughs up pucks like a cat does furballs when he's under pressure. I'm sure he probably will make the NHL, but I'm betting he's one of those players that the coach keeps playing because he's reliable defensively, but fans are going to hate because he constantly turns pucks over and gets stuck in his own zone. Look at Cody Ceci with Ottawa or Rasmus Ristolainen with Buffalo for examples, but without Ristolainen's offensive abilities. Coaches keep playing them against top players because they can defend in their own zone (and their teams didn't have better options), but they are always in their own zone.

 

If they were gonna trade the pick, I'd rather package it for an established young defenseman, maybe along with J.T. Miller.

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This NHL.com mock draft done by 2 different writers underscores how little consensus there is in this year's draft: https://www.nhl.com/news/mock-2021-nhl-draft-buffalo-has-top-pick-seattle-pick-second/c-325164100

  1. Buffalo: Owen Power
  2. Seattle: Matthew Beniers
  3. Anaheim: Guenther / Edvinsson
  4. New Jersey: Clarke / Hughes
  5. Columbus: Edvinsson / Eklund
  6. Detroit: Wallstedt / McTavish
  7. San Jose: Eklund / Johnson
  8. LA: Hughes / Guenther
  9. Vancouver: Johnson / Clarke
  10. Ottawa: Matthew Coronato / Wallstedt
  11. Chicago: Chaz Lucius / Carson Lambos
  12. Calgary: Cole Sillinger / Coronato
  13. Philly: Mctavish / Sillinger
  14. Dallas: Corson Ceulemans / Nikita Chibrikov
  15. New York: Brennan Othmann
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26 minutes ago, bruceybruce said:

As a lifelong Blazers fan i would be delighted if Stankoven made it to our second pick and we took him, although i am conflicted because there are some interesting RHD that should be available also. We need more picks! (I think this every draft)

As much as I like Stankoven and I really like him. I don't see how he fits the Canucks. The reality is he's 5'8 he's a thikk 5'8 so was Schroeder if you compare the 2 in their draft year and before I take Schroeder twice on sunday over Stankoven and we all know how that worked out. 

 

The reality is at his size you have to be ridiculously good. And even If he were to beat the odds I just don't think the Canucks can create the environment for him to be successful. 

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12 hours ago, Beary Sweet said:

A thing I’m curious to know is what direction Seattle will go. They will go either D or FWD.

I don't know, I wouldn't be completely shocked to see Wallstedt go 2nd overall. SEA will need a star goaltender for their future. Build from the net out.

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11 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

I don't know, I wouldn't be completely shocked to see Wallstedt go 2nd overall. SEA will need a star goaltender for their future. Build from the net out.

That’s exactly what i would do if i was seattle. 

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1 hour ago, bruceybruce said:

As a lifelong Blazers fan i would be delighted if Stankoven made it to our second pick and we took him, although i am conflicted because there are some interesting RHD that should be available also. We need more picks! (I think this every draft)

we took a small guy over a rhd with a recent 2nd, don't think we should continue to do that as it won't help build depth in areas of need. Just like it won't if we draft yet another lhd.

 

Korzak was my pick over Hoglander, we need more RHD Mr. Canuck GM. You can pick more midgets in later rounds like that waste of a pick from Russia a couple years back, that guy was 5'6 or some $&!#...what a dumb pick, unless the guy is built like Hog, Gallagher or Arvidsson they will never be able to make the jump, even in this soft era of the NHL

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1 minute ago, Canuckster86 said:

we took a small guy over a rhd with a recent 2nd, don't think we should continue to do that as it won't help build depth in areas of need. Just like it won't if we draft yet another lhd.

 

Korzak was my pick over Hoglander, we need more RHD Mr. Canuck GM. You can pick more midgets in later rounds like that waste of a pick from Russia a couple years back, that guy was 5'6 or some $&!#...what a dumb pick, unless the guy is built like Hog, Gallagher or Arvidsson they will never be able to make the jump, even in this soft era of the NHL

Are you seriously upset about 6th round pick Atrym Manukian 

 

 

They all agreed on the Manukyan pick for the record.

 

 

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2 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

I have been thinking about our defensemen this morning, and what we really have here, is 2 really good young defensemen in Hughes and Rathbone. While they are great, they will not be their best until they have complimentary players with them. So, until the defense is complete , we will continue to have discussions of what we should do.

 

So, it is with that in mind, that we should look at our short term and long term requirements.

 

So, my immediate question is who do we get to play with Hughes? People say Hamonic, and I really think he is a step down from what we are needed, and we really do not have the assets to be trading for one, because when you pull from one area to shore up that area, you enviably weaken the area, you were pulling from. If you want quality, you have to pay for quality, or you end up taking someone else's problems.

 

Reclamation projects seldom work, and although it is easy to point out the successful ones, people seldom list the unsuccessful ones, and there is 10 X as many of them. Is it worth a try, sure, but not in an area, that is important.

 

So, it is with that that I feel, we look trade or UFA, for our short term fix, and trade or draft, for our long term solution. IMO, we can answer all these problems, with draft picks.

 

This is the year for defensemen in the draft, and is also really pushing it time wise to have these guys ready for our up turn.........................My solution is to go heavy on RHD in this years draft. Yes, Clarke would be great, and would certainly add to the offense, but we more need a defensive Dman to compliment Hughes long term. So, I would love to see Benning go after Bradon Schneider from the Rangers, to pair up with Hughes. This will cost us our 2021-1st and IMO, another decent asset. Why? Because Schneider is a known commodity, and has already shown improvement.

 

Pairing for Hughes:.................. Short term : Hamonic............Long term Schneider

 

Now Rathbone is a special piece, as IMO, he will be the solution to 1/2 our 1st pairing. That is right, Rathbone ahead of Hughes, this is where our 2022 -1st (Unprotected) comes into play, and where there is risk. The unprotected 2022-1st offers up a chance for a trading team to have a dog in the Shane Wright sweep stakes. But that buys you a good solid #2 defenseman.

 

Alternatively, we go into UFA,but that is not a long term fix, unless you are ready to spend big money on a Dougie Hamilton.

 

So, why is this in the NHL draft page, because, IMO, we have to solve the defensive problems, now, in this draft, and we have to make choices, now, that will affect us long term.

 

If we go draft to fix our problems, we should be going hard at Clarke, who has the talent to be here in several years......IMO, he is Rathbone's partner, which then becomes the first pairing.

 

With our second Pairing, we should go after another RHD, and go big and go defensive. Jack Bar is such a beast. So to back track a bit, I would suggest we  use our 2021 - 2nd and draft one of Mailloux, Morrow, or Schmidt, and then go after Jack Bar with our 3rd.

 

But in any case, we need to be very aggressive in getting Clarke, who may be able to play with Hughes as he matures. 

 

The key whether we pick or use our pick as a trading chip is, RHD, RHD, RHD.

 

IMO, the Rangers have an abundance of young RHD, and would really like our #9............so what is it? I know BPA when picking, but when you target, you by-pass that.

 

Pick or trade

 

Develop or UFA market?

Tend to agree we should either try to move up to nab Clarke or spend the assets (Schmidt, taking back Ladd and his cap +..?) To grab a guy like Dobson.

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8 minutes ago, hammertime said:

We really should not overlook Heimosalmi. He was far and away the best D at the u18 and Clarke, Ceulemans, Edvinsson weren't even close to challenging him even though they all had better teams around them to help them pad their stats.

 

 

I think he goes end of round one.  What if trade Motte to a cap strapped contender for their first?  Then use that pick?

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16 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think he goes end of round one.  What if trade Motte to a cap strapped contender for their first?  Then use that pick?

hard pass on trading motte.

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Definitely a pickem' draft.  I've watched and read up on a half dozen prospect that I think will be available at #9.  The only ones from my perspective that I feel will be both a need and bpa at #9 are Mctavish and Lysell.  Both would fill some holes on the roster.  Both seem to have good character and work hard.  But because they're both forwards, I would hope that Benning and co pick for need at defencemen for pick 2 and 4.  Centers after that.  In  perfect world, if we could somehow trade for a late 1st and nab (if he's even there then) Heimosalmi, then I'd be over the moon!  

 

 

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1 hour ago, hammertime said:

We really should not overlook Heimosalmi. He was far and away the best D at the u18 and Clarke, Ceulemans, Edvinsson weren't even close to challenging him even though they all had better teams around them to help them pad their stats.

 

 

Wow that was NASTY. How sweet would it be if he fell into our laps in the 2nd round?

 

Funny, "Heimosalmi" sounds like a toddler trying to pronounce "Teemu Selanne".

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1 hour ago, hammertime said:

We really should not overlook Heimosalmi. He was far and away the best D at the u18 and Clarke, Ceulemans, Edvinsson weren't even close to challenging him even though they all had better teams around them to help them pad their stats.

 

 

Perfectly happy to take him with our 2nd, should he make it that far.

 

But he's not really the 'Suter' or 'Seabrook' type D we're really looking for either, to play with Hughes.

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56 minutes ago, Alflives said:

I think he goes end of round one.  What if trade Motte to a cap strapped contender for their first?  Then use that pick?

Sieder was also supposed to go end of round 1. 

 

Hindsight is 20/20 foresight is everything all I'm saying is what we all saw with our own eyes Heimosalmi was just plain better than Brand Clarke at the U18's and he didn't have Bedard, Wright, etc to feed. I'm not saying it's a home run can't miss Heimosalmi 1st overall. Infact I still have Clarke at #1 on my draft board I am saying take notice do your homework this kid is going to make you look stupid in 2 years when you're still trying to find a RHD through overpaying in trade because you drafted a flashy winger instead of the RHD you knew you needed.  

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