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1 hour ago, Fanuck said:

This is a very interesting article that somewhat speaks to your question.  I'm not saying it's the 'last word' on the subject but the author makes some interesting points:

 

https://lastwordonsports.com/hockey/2020/06/23/undervalued-leagues-nhl-draft/

very cool, thank you thats exactly the kind of info I was looking for. We've clearly seen kids from the KHL undervalued, and Podkolzin seems to be our proof of that. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

So you've been watching WHL since before the dino's roamed (/s), what do you think the issue is, assuming there is one?

Lack of farm boys?  Not too sure, but thinking (okay, guessing) the Junior A leagues have taken some of the top end skilled guys, who then go on to US college hockey.  So the WHL is a bit thinner than before, and wingers can use their superior size, strength to dominate play instead of developing their skill. 

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1 minute ago, Alflives said:

Lack of farm boys?  Not too sure, but thinking (okay, guessing) the Junior A leagues have taken some of the top end skilled guys, who then go on to US college hockey.  So the WHL is a bit thinner than before, and wingers can use their superior size, strength to dominate play instead of developing their skill. 

very good point Alf. If you're a kid from SK I can see going the college track route. Ending up with a UND degree is pretty practical. 

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2 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

We're spending a lot of time on who we'd each like to pick... who do we want to avoid if we're picking a F? I'm wondering if there's any kind of pattern that says "stay away" for a top 10 for us this year?

 

Top 10 WHL F picks:

2014- misses: Virtanen, WHL but big hits in Reinhart and Draisaitl

2015- no WHL F's

2016 - no WHL Fs

2017- NolanPatrick, Glass, WHL big misses 

2018- no WHL Fs'

2019 - WHL - Dach and Cozens - look legit

2020 - no WHL F's 

 

What is it with the WHL and top 10 forwards? seems like its the odd big hit, some big disappointments and a lot of avoidance 

 

 

 

Our Western Canadian scouts have generally sucked major azz throughout the decades.

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6 hours ago, R3aL said:

Ya don’t think he will be exposed I think he fits in okay money wise and roster wise personally 

I think Pearson Horvat Podkolzin makes one heck of a heavy hard line to play against.

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I want Oscar Plandowski at some point in this drat. He is RHD who skates like the wind, shoots hard, plays good in his own end and on transition. He even fights to stand up for teammates. Also has NHL bloodlines and power skating coach for a mother. 

 

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1 hour ago, RecklessReilly said:

I want Oscar Plandowski at some point in this drat. He is RHD who skates like the wind, shoots hard, plays good in his own end and on transition. He even fights to stand up for teammates. Also has NHL bloodlines and power skating coach for a mother. 

 

Sound like someone who should be a high pick, never heard of him before you mentioned it. Just looking at his stats: 6ft 190lbs RHD, all acceptable and his whole family has the hockey bloodline so that is encouraging. His 17pts in 39gp is not a jump out at you stat line, seems to be ranked between 60-94 so maybe we can grab him with our 3rd round pick?

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9 minutes ago, Canuckster86 said:

Sound like someone who should be a high pick, never heard of him before you mentioned it. Just looking at his stats: 6ft 190lbs RHD, all acceptable and his whole family has the hockey bloodline so that is encouraging. His 17pts in 39gp is not a jump out at you stat line, seems to be ranked between 60-94 so maybe we can grab him with our 3rd round pick?

Yeah exactly my thinking. 3rd maybe even a 2nd. Who knows how to rank these guys lol

 

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5 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

We're spending a lot of time on who we'd each like to pick... who do we want to avoid if we're picking a F? I'm wondering if there's any kind of pattern that says "stay away" for a top 10 for us this year?

 

Top 10 WHL F picks:

2014- misses: Virtanen, WHL but big hits in Reinhart and Draisaitl

2015- no WHL F's

2016 - no WHL Fs

2017- NolanPatrick, Glass, WHL big misses 

2018- no WHL Fs'

2019 - WHL - Dach and Cozens - look legit

2020 - no WHL F's 

 

What is it with the WHL and top 10 forwards? seems like its the odd big hit, some big disappointments and a lot of avoidance 

 

 

 

It runs in cycles jimmy. Thing is with the new hockey academies, the dub could become the new mecca for forwards. We are just seeing it now with savoie bedard, and geekie

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I'm no scouting expert and mostly just see point totals and stats. However, I've found we've drafted best when there were solid numbers behind the players we draft in the first round. Pettersson literally had unprecedented number for the Allvenskan when he was drafted. Hughes was about .75 ppg as a dman in the NCAA against men. It rare to have pre-draft players in the NCAA to begin with but Hughes was doing it and succeeding. Brock Boeser had the second highest point totals in the USHL his draft year (Kyle Connor was first). 

 

We've done poorly on players with poorer numbers in their draft year. Virtanen was only a ppg in the WHL pre-draft. In comparison, Guenter had about double his ppg. Joulevi only had a .75ppg in the OHL. Clarke and Lambos accomplished that in their D-2 season. It's just something I've noticed with our drafting. 

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5 hours ago, Alflives said:

Lack of farm boys?  Not too sure, but thinking (okay, guessing) the Junior A leagues have taken some of the top end skilled guys, who then go on to US college hockey.  So the WHL is a bit thinner than before, and wingers can use their superior size, strength to dominate play instead of developing their skill. 

It is the same thing eith ontario and quebec. Nothing wrong with it. Like ushl hockey

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30 minutes ago, janisahockeynut said:

So, if Jack Bar gets to the 3rd round and is there when we pick, I would love Benning to take a flyer on him.

 

Jack Bar - 2021 NHL Draft Prospect Profile (thehockeywriters.com)

 

Harvard bound next year..........sound familiar? 

 

He is my not so dark horse.

 

 

Haven't heard of him up till now. Looks like an intriguing prospect though! Would be an excellent candidate for our 2nd rounder.

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1 hour ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said:

Haven't heard of him up till now. Looks like an intriguing prospect though! Would be an excellent candidate for our 2nd rounder.

To be honest Herberts, I honestly would like to do a all-in on our 1st 3 picks on RHD.

 

I was talking to my son tonight and he mentioned a couple of players near the 9th OA, and I asked him, where are we really short on prospects for the future? I mentioned all the prospects and young guns on the team already, and said where do we really need them. We both came up with the same conclusion. I also asked him, when he thought we might have another chance to get quality in all rounds? Again, our conclusion was that if Benning goes after players this year, this might be the last chance we have to draft this early.

 

9th OA.................Move up for Clarke, move down for Ceulemans

41st OA.............. Move up for Morrow or Heimosalmi, or take Mailloux or Schmidt at 41 OA

73rd OA............. .Move up for Bar

 

IMO, there is lots of talent there, and it is Benning's job to go out and get it.

 

I would have no problem moving a RWer, Lind or McEwen

 

It will take a 2021 -1st 9th OA + a 2022 - 2nd to acquire the 2021 - 4th  OA...........I feel this is the best option to get Clarke.....but regardless that is what it will take

 

I am thinking that Mailloux or Schmidt will be there at 41 OA

 

and I think Bar could be there with Lind

 

IMO, we need to go after our RHD, as we have left it to the last minute

 

Of course there are other ways.......I wish with all my heart that Green would have tried Hughes on the RHD side, because there are alot of options if he could handle that.

 

It is always about balance............................

 

Options................IF Hughes can play RHD well enough

 

If we could get Graves from Colorado..trade ?????? Before the expansion draft

 

Graves....Hughes

Rathbone.....Schmidt

Juolevi......Myers

 

If we  drafted Lambos, who is a solid defensive Dman

 

Lambos..... Hughes

Rathbone....Schmidt

Juolevi...Myers

 

And alot of other different moves if Hughes moves over

 

But if he doesn't, what is the cost? 

 

Someone mentioned trading for Jacob Larsson out of Anahiem

Someone else mentioned trading for Seth Jones out of Columbus

Someone mentioned trade for Rasmus Ristolainen out of Buffalo

Someone has mentioned UFA  Adam Larsson out of Edmonton

Someone mentioned UFA Dougie Hamilton out of Carolina

 

So there are options.......................short term anyways, lol

 

 

 

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10 hours ago, janisahockeynut said:

To be honest Herberts, I honestly would like to do a all-in on our 1st 3 picks on RHD.

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IMO, we need to go after our RHD, as we have left it to the last minute

I haven’t seen you mention Travis Hamonic and Jett Woo... 

 

However I wouldn’t be opposed to taking swings at RHD with our 3rd and later round picks.  It would take multiple 2nds to move up from 9th overall to 4th overall. That’s a pricey move and Clarke could very well go 2nd or 3rd overall.  
 

We’ll see but I do hope that we get at least two RHDmen in this draft. 

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57 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said:

I haven’t seen you mention Travis Hamonic and Jett Woo... 

 

However I wouldn’t be opposed to taking swings at RHD with our 3rd and later round picks.  It would take multiple 2nds to move up from 9th overall to 4th overall. That’s a pricey move and Clarke could very well go 2nd or 3rd overall.  
 

We’ll see but I do hope that we get at least two RHDmen in this draft. 

If we cant draft clarke we should just take mctavish and use our 2nd and 3rd to draft RHD

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18 hours ago, RecklessReilly said:

I want Oscar Plandowski at some point in this drat. He is RHD who skates like the wind, shoots hard, plays good in his own end and on transition. He even fights to stand up for teammates. Also has NHL bloodlines and power skating coach for a mother. 

 

You had me at Plandowski ::D

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