flickyoursedin Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Alflives said: Hope you’re right, and Geunther is gone before we pick. Just one month ago Bob Mackenzie did his mock and had Guenther 2nd overall on his board. I think people on this board are throwing massive shade on the winger prospects in this draft. We all want one of those top 4 dmen to be there but if those guys are gone and you reach on another one it could be Juolevi over Tkachuk all over again. I hope Benning learned from that and selects BPA whichever the position turns out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 hours ago, HockeyHarry said: Michigan will also have Luke Hughes. So that’s a pretty stacked team. Really, I didn't know that. Michigan will be the favourites for sure. All 4 of those players will certainly go back to make a run at an NCAA Championship before they move to the NHL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge-tailed Eagle Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Any thoughts on Matthew Coronato? He's a bit of a reach, and depending whose available not my first choice, but he still looks like an interesting prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 2 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I could totally see mctavish make the team if we draft him to be pur 4th line center. Nah, he goes back for another year. I don't want him wasted in the press box like what happened to Horvat and Virtanen and playing 7 minutes a night on the 4th line. He's better off going back to junior for another year and playing big minutes on the top line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Nah, he goes back for another year. I don't want him wasted in the press box like what happened to Horvat and Virtanen and playing 7 minutes a night on the 4th line. He's better off going back to junior for another year and playing big minutes on the top line. I disagree. Practice and playing with the team would imo be better for him and the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I disagree. Practice and playing with the team would imo be better for him and the team. Not when you're 18. Only top draft picks step in at 18 and contribute. 9th overall picks do not go immediately to the NHL. I don't think there has been one 9th overall pick in NHL history that has jumped immediately into the NHL at 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not when you're 18. Only top draft picks step in at 18 and contribute. 9th overall picks do not go immediately to the NHL. I don't think there has been one 9th overall pick in NHL history that has jumped immediately into the NHL at 18. Horvat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Horvat 19 when he entered the league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Who would be best for the Canucks? I'll assume that Power and Beniers are long gone. (stylistic comparables I've read) GUENTHER - Tyler Seguin JOHNSON - Mikael Granlund EDVINSSON - Oliver Ekman-Larsson CLARKE - Erik Karlsson WALLSTEDT - Carey Price McTAVISH - Jeff Carter LYSELL - Mitch Marner LUCIUS - Derek Stepan EKLUND - Henrik Zetterberg SILLINGER - Mark Scheifele LAMBOS - Alex Pietrangelo SVECHKOV - Phillip Danault HUGHES - Tyson Barrie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Pettersson Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Horvat Horvat went back to London after he was drafted. He came back the following year at 19 and made the team. I can see McTavish doing the same thing. If we draft McTavish I don't mind signing Sutter to a one year deal to fill the void unless they move Miller to 3C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not when you're 18. Only top draft picks step in at 18 and contribute. 9th overall picks do not go immediately to the NHL. I don't think there has been one 9th overall pick in NHL history that has jumped immediately into the NHL at 18. Mikael Sergachev played 4 games at age 18. Other than that it’s extremely rare. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: 19 when he entered the league How many months different? Watching how extremely mature he is in the interviews ive watched of him and the size already of a NHLer i see no reason why he doesnt get a good and educated look to make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 55 minutes ago, hammertime said: So if we are solely doing on drafting patterns and locations of our scouting strongholds. Edvinsson, Lysell, Sillinger, are the most likely targets maybe Svechkov if Chibisov likes him. I wouldn't count on a Russian. Would have been pretty tough to pass on Podkolzin. Benning definitely won't shy away from a Russian, but I don't think its his go-to. Also note that they've had a couple massive hits out of NCAA in Demko and Hughes, and from USHL/NTDP in Boeser and Hughes. Hughes was even from the same school as Kent Johnson. So Johnson and Lucius have to be considered candidates. I was thinking Sillinger initially too, but someone pointed out that they've had more of a tendency toward skill and skating lately, so maybe not (Sillinger has Pierre Dorion pick written all over him). Also should be mentioned that just because we have a tendency from an area doesn't mean we will pick there; just that we have a more trusted evaluation there one way or another. If Gradin is high on Edvinsson or Lysell, they will be very high on Benning's list. If Gradin doesn't like them, Benning won't touch them with a ten foot pole. I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself with that last point, but of course it isn't "solely" based on tendency, and I am still trying to learn how to find the right balance. I mentioned being shocked when Bob Murray and the Ducks picked Zegras because they had almost never picked from NTDP. No matter how strong a pattern is, it is going to get broken sometime. It isn't perfect, but its the best predictive strategy we have as fans. And Benning has every reason to be hesitant to trust his OHL and WHL scouts with another high pick after the Juolevi and Virtanen fiascos. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Blight Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 57 minutes ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not when you're 18. Only top draft picks step in at 18 and contribute. 9th overall picks do not go immediately to the NHL. I don't think there has been one 9th overall pick in NHL history that has jumped immediately into the NHL at 18. David Pastrnak went 25th overall and played 46 games with 27 points in his draft year. There are always some exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: How many months different? Watching how extremely mature he is in the interviews ive watched of him and the size already of a NHLer i see no reason why he doesnt get a good and educated look to make the team. Reading you're guys discussion on McTavish have they changed the rules ? if the Canucks drafted him and he came to camp and showed real well couldn't they play him up to 10 games and than send him to Junior after that Edited June 12, 2021 by Nurnge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: I wouldn't count on a Russian. Would have been pretty tough to pass on Podkolzin. Benning definitely won't shy away from a Russian, but I don't think its his go-to. Also note that they've had a couple massive hits out of NCAA in Demko and Hughes, and from USHL/NTDP in Boeser and Hughes. Hughes was even from the same school as Kent Johnson. So Johnson and Lucius have to be considered candidates. I was thinking Sillinger initially too, but someone pointed out that they've had more of a tendency toward skill and skating lately, so maybe not (Sillinger has Pierre Dorion pick written all over him). Also should be mentioned that just because we have a tendency from an area doesn't mean we will pick there; just that we have a more trusted evaluation there one way or another. If Gradin is high on Edvinsson or Lysell, they will be very high on Benning's list. If Gradin doesn't like them, Benning won't touch them with a ten foot pole. I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself with that last point, but of course it isn't "solely" based on tendency, and I am still trying to learn how to find the right balance. I mentioned being shocked when Bob Murray and the Ducks picked Zegras because they had almost never picked from NTDP. No matter how strong a pattern is, it is going to get broken sometime. It isn't perfect, but its the best predictive strategy we have as fans. And Benning has every reason to be hesitant to trust his OHL and WHL scouts with another high pick after the Juolevi and Virtanen fiascos. Some of this post is bang on. You’ll break a drafting tendency to land a player that you think is special. Like the Ducks with Zegras, they might not generally draft from the US national under 18s but you can break that habit for a special talent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Monahan Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said: Not when you're 18. Only top draft picks step in at 18 and contribute. 9th overall picks do not go immediately to the NHL. I don't think there has been one 9th overall pick in NHL history that has jumped immediately into the NHL at 18. 7th overall, but Jeff Skinner comes to mind off the top of my head. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 The way i see it with mctavish is sure hes 18 but most of the kids that are drafted have not yet have the body for the NHL thats why those 2 years or so are good for them to grow more before they come. With mctavish that’s something u literally dont have to wait for. Hes 6’1 and almost 210 pounds. Sure he can go and dominate the OHL like he did as a 16 year old or he can come and learn about the NHL, weight gaining, defense, offense, real NHL coaching to further his development. Being used as a 4th line guy with limited minutes but top notch everything else is better for him than anything the OHL can offer him atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: Some of this post is bang on. You’ll break a drafting tendency to land a player that you think is special. Like the Ducks with Zegras, they might not generally draft from the US national under 18s but you can break that habit for a special talent Is Zegras that good? Is he a player a team can win playoff games with as their key guy? Imo he’s a perimeter fancy guy, who will struggle (like Marner) in the playoffs. Sure he will put up points when there’s lots of open ice, but once he needs to compete for his ice, I see him fading away. I’m way happier with Podkolzin. He’s already proven he’s a playoff guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NHL'er Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 Didn't Benning mention there were 9 players that they really liked are were in a class of their own? (If someone could share that that would be fantastic) I would have to assume that these are the 9 (in no particular order) Power D Eklund LW Edvinsson D McTavish C Johnson C Hughes D Guenther RW Beniers C Clarke D 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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