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Just now, NHL'er said:

Didn't Benning mention there were 9 players that they really liked are were in a class of their own? (If someone could share that that would be fantastic)

 

I would have to assume that these are the 9 (in no particular order)

  1. Power D 
  2. Eklund LW
  3. Edvinsson D 
  4. McTavish C
  5. Johnson C
  6. Hughes D
  7. Guenther RW
  8. Beniers C
  9. Clarke D 

 

Thats definitely the 9 ppl are talking about

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19 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Is Zegras that good?  Is he a player a team can win playoff games with as their key guy?  Imo he’s a perimeter fancy guy, who will struggle (like Marner) in the playoffs.  Sure he will put up points when there’s lots of open ice, but once he needs to compete for his ice, I see him fading away.  I’m way happier with Podkolzin.  He’s already proven he’s a playoff guy. 

Zegras looks like a pretty special player to me, but I wasn’t comparing the 2 players. I was saying it makes sense that Anaheim would break their regional tendencies to draft a guy like Zegras. I think VP is a better fit for the Canucks then TZ. We have High end skill so we could use VP. If we didn’t already have high end skill then TZ would probably be a better fit for us. I’m also stoked on Podkolzin and can’t wait to see what he adds next year 

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23 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

The way i see it with mctavish is sure hes 18 but most of the kids that are drafted have not yet have the body for the NHL thats why those 2 years or so are good for them to grow more before they come. With mctavish that’s something u literally dont have to wait for. Hes 6’1 and almost 210 pounds. Sure he can go and dominate the OHL like he did as a 16 year old or he can come and learn about the NHL, weight gaining, defense, offense, real NHL coaching to further his development. Being used as a 4th line guy with limited minutes but top notch everything else is better for him than anything the OHL can offer him atm.

You can’t underestimate what another season of being put in crucial situations in game action will do to benefit his development. He will gain so much more confidence thriving in junior for another year then he would being rushed into the lineup for 4th line duty and likely being glued to the bench in critical moments. Now if we draft him and he comes to camp and wows the coaching staff and wins a job and moves up the lineup then absolutely, put him on the squad. But if it’s just him coming up so he can play 5-7 minutes a night then I think he’s better off staying where he is. Time will tell!

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I can't see Power, Beniers, Eklund or Hughes falling to #9.

 

So, some possible future scenarios?

 

Edvinsson - Hughes

 

Hoglander - McTavish - Podkolzin

 

Hoglander - Johnson - Podkolzin

 

Pearson - Horvat - Guenther

 

Hughes - Clarke

 

 

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1 minute ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:

You can’t underestimate what another season of being put in crucial situations in game action will do to benefit his development. He will gain so much more confidence thriving in junior for another year then he would being rushed into the lineup for 4th line duty and likely being glued to the bench in critical moments. Now if we draft him and he comes to camp and wows the coaching staff and wins a job and moves up the lineup then absolutely, put him on the squad. But if it’s just him coming up so he can play 5-7 minutes a night then I think he’s better off staying where he is. Time will tell!

Absolutely. Yes as long as hes given a fair shot to make the team is all i ask. Sending him back to juniors just because of age is something i dont want. Like i said his interviews remind me a lot of horvat, seems like a very smart mature kid that could flourish that could gelp us even next season.

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10 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Absolutely. Yes as long as hes given a fair shot to make the team is all i ask. Sending him back to juniors just because of age is something i dont want. Like i said his interviews remind me a lot of horvat, seems like a very smart mature kid that could flourish that could gelp us even next season.

He’s right near the top of guys I want if they’re available at 9. I also get Horvat-ish vibes. He would give us a really nice mix of very skilled and heavy players in our top 9

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1 minute ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said:

He’s right near the top of guys I want if they’re available at 9. I also get Horvat-ish vibes. He would give us a really nice mix of very skilled and heavy players in our top 9

Having our center position taken care of for the next decade all by guys we’ve actually drafted would be special.

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2 hours ago, HighOnHockey said:

I wouldn't count on a Russian. Would have been pretty tough to pass on Podkolzin. Benning definitely won't shy away from a Russian, but I don't think its his go-to. Also note that they've had a couple massive hits out of NCAA in Demko and Hughes, and from USHL/NTDP in Boeser and Hughes. Hughes was even from the same school as Kent Johnson. So Johnson and Lucius have to be considered candidates. 

 

I was thinking Sillinger initially too, but someone pointed out that they've had more of a tendency toward skill and skating lately, so maybe not (Sillinger has Pierre Dorion pick written all over him).

 

Also should be mentioned that just because we have a tendency from an area doesn't mean we will pick there; just that we have a more trusted evaluation there one way or another. If Gradin is high on Edvinsson or Lysell, they will be very high on Benning's list. If Gradin doesn't like them, Benning won't touch them with a ten foot pole.

 

I know it sounds like I'm contradicting myself with that last point, but of course it isn't "solely" based on tendency, and I am still trying to learn how to find the right balance. I mentioned being shocked when Bob Murray and the Ducks picked Zegras because they had almost never picked from NTDP. No matter how strong a pattern is, it is going to get broken sometime. It isn't perfect, but its the best predictive strategy we have as fans. And Benning has every reason to be hesitant to trust his OHL and WHL scouts with another high pick after the Juolevi and Virtanen fiascos.

I wasn't, because Bob Murray told the postmedia a few days ahead of the draft, that he will draft the best Center available at 9. I knew that there is no way Zegras would fall to the Canucks at 10.

 

For me Edvinsson and Lysell are out of the conversation for the Canucks pick, because I assume that Steve Yzerman will select Edvinsson at 6. Steve Yzerman told the postmedia in a video session shortly after the draft lottery that there most influential scout in Europe is Niklas Kronwall and between the lines everyone could hear from this statements that he is going to draft another European prospect. Just remember, that Detroit selected european prospects with their 1st round picks the last two drafts in Seider at 6 in 2019 and Lucas Raymond at 4 in 2020. For me Edvinsson at 6 is something like a lock.

 

Dhalie asked Shane Malloy about Lysell in Donnie and Dhalis podcast and if I remember correctly Shane responded that in his eyes Lysell should go in the 20 ies. He does not consider him to be a top 10 pick. Based on the scouting reports I have read so far there are some red flags in Lysell's game.

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3 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Horvat went back to London after he was drafted.  He came back the following year at 19 and made the team.  I can see McTavish doing the same thing.  If we draft McTavish I don't mind signing Sutter to a one year deal to fill the void unless they move Miller to 3C.

if sutter is our 3c, then it becomes a checking line. miller would make it a scoring line.

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36 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

I wasn't, because Bob Murray told the postmedia a few days ahead of the draft, that he will draft the best Center available at 9. I knew that there is no way Zegras would fall to the Canucks at 10.

 

For me Edvinsson and Lysell are out of the conversation for the Canucks pick, because I assume that Steve Yzerman will select Edvinsson at 6. Steve Yzerman told the postmedia in a video session shortly after the draft lottery that there most influential scout in Europe is Niklas Kronwall and between the lines everyone could hear from this statements that he is going to draft another European prospect. Just remember, that Detroit selected european prospects with their 1st round picks the last two drafts in Seider at 6 in 2019 and Lucas Raymond at 4 in 2020. For me Edvinsson at 6 is something like a lock.

 

Dhalie asked Shane Malloy about Lysell in Donnie and Dhalis podcast and if I remember correctly Shane responded that in his eyes Lysell should go in the 20 ies. He does not consider him to be a top 10 pick. Based on the scouting reports I have read so far there are some red flags in Lysell's game.

I don't mean to call you a liar. I'm sure you thought that was what you heard. But Kronwall is a senior advisor, not a scout. His primary role is player development. Hakan Andersson is Detroit's head scout in Europe. Arguably the greatest scout of all time, he was the head guy behind Lidstrom, Zetterberg, Holmstrom, Franzen, Kronwall, Filppula, Nyquist, Raymond.

 

And regarding your comment about Edvinsson, it is an oversimplification. As I said in the post you replied to, just because their most trusted scouts are based in Europe, doesn't mean they will pick the highest ranked European according to the internet. If Andersson, Carlsson and co. are very high on Edvinsson, he will be very high on their list, if not he will be nowhere to be found.

 

I do think you're right that there is a high chance they pick a European, but it all depends how the draft unfolds and who is there. As you mention, they leaned heavily on Andersson and his European contingent for Yzerman's first couple years there while he put together his own staff. But he recently hired two new head North American scouts, Ryan Rezmierski and Jesse Wallin, and he's going to want to start leaning more on his own guys.

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Seems these days, a great skating, puck-moving, mobile Dman who can QB the PP is in high demand. Canucks have 1, or maybe 2 in Hughes and Rathbone. I wonder if Clarke goes fairly high, as he might be exactly that. 

 

The Canucks, on the other hand, probably need more stability on the back end, a great skating defensive Dman with size. Could Edvinsson be that guy? Or should they wait for Round Two and beyond for these types of Dmen?  Edvinsson could develop into a very good Dman under Brad Shaw.  (well, I guess any of the Dmen in the Top 15 could become very good under Shaw).  

 

Could Shaw turn Edvinsson into a Victor Hedman type of Dman?

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3 hours ago, Rick Blight said:

David Pastrnak went 25th overall and played 46 games with 27 points in his draft year. There are always some exceptions.

Pastrnak came from Sweden so he was eligible to play in the AHL the same year he was drafted.  He did do that and played 25 games in the AHL before being called up and playing the rest of the year in the NHL.  He basically was afforded the opportunity to showcase his skills against men prior to making the jump to the NHL.

 

McTavish would either have to make the Canucks right out of camp or go back to junior.  He wouldn't be able to play in the AHL like Pastrnak which is a huge difference and a non comparable really.

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21 minutes ago, smithers joe said:

if sutter is our 3c, then it becomes a checking line. miller would make it a scoring line.

Keep Sutter as a 4th line Centre for cheap.. keep Miller to score for now. If we draft a 2way centre , send him to junior for 2 years. Replace Miller in the future as 3C. 

Miller come then can hopefully resign for cheap ish. 

 

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1 hour ago, Wolfgang Durst said:

 

 

For me Edvinsson and Lysell are out of the conversation for the Canucks pick, because I assume that Steve Yzerman will select Edvinsson at 6. Steve Yzerman told the postmedia in a video session shortly after the draft lottery that there most influential scout in Europe is Niklas Kronwall and between the lines everyone could hear from this statements that he is going to draft another European prospect. Just remember, that Detroit selected european prospects with their 1st round picks the last two drafts in Seider at 6 in 2019 and Lucas Raymond at 4 in 2020. For me Edvinsson at 6 is something like a lock.

 

 

Unless Det picks Wallstedt. They are rumored to be looking for a goalie and they are early enough in their rebuild that it makes sense.  He is Swedish btw which fits your Euro mantra. Makes sense too for them to trade down to 9 with us so we can get Clarke (if still available) and give them the 9th plus. Possible. And btw Dhalliwal is almost always wrong.

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13 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

 

Could Shaw turn Edvinsson into a Victor Hedman type of Dman?

Logic and probability says no.  
 

Hedman would’ve been rated head and shoulders number 1 with a bullet if he was in this draft, and I’m not even talking about hindsight here.  
 

Hedman was a can’t miss franchise draft choice, Edvinsson isn’t. 

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23 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said:

Seems these days, a great skating, puck-moving, mobile Dman who can QB the PP is in high demand. Canucks have 1, or maybe 2 in Hughes and Rathbone. I wonder if Clarke goes fairly high, as he might be exactly that. 

 

The Canucks, on the other hand, probably need more stability on the back end, a great skating defensive Dman with size. Could Edvinsson be that guy? Or should they wait for Round Two and beyond for these types of Dmen?  Edvinsson could develop into a very good Dman under Brad Shaw.  (well, I guess any of the Dmen in the Top 15 could become very good under Shaw).  

 

Could Shaw turn Edvinsson into a Victor Hedman type of Dman?

Interesting take on Shaw/Edvinsson. I would think that a team like Anaheim, Columbus, Detroit or LA will snap him up before we get a chance to. I reeeeally hope I'm wrong though. :lol:

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1 hour ago, Elias Pettersson said:

Pastrnak came from Sweden so he was eligible to play in the AHL the same year he was drafted.  He did do that and played 25 games in the AHL before being called up and playing the rest of the year in the NHL.  He basically was afforded the opportunity to showcase his skills against men prior to making the jump to the NHL.

 

McTavish would either have to make the Canucks right out of camp or go back to junior.  He wouldn't be able to play in the AHL like Pastrnak which is a huge difference and a non comparable really.

Well mctavish did play with men this season in  the swiss league.

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