N4ZZY Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, VancouverHabitant said: Logan Stankoven could potentially slip to us like Nils Hoglander did... One of the Finnish youngsters will be probably available at 40 as well. Heimosalmi, Koivunen or Tuomaala. Have not heard even remotely of Logan Stankoven. Is he any good? Edit: Okay. So i googled the man, and he seems to have one of the best shots in this draft class, but he’s 5’8…. Edited June 14, 2021 by N4ZZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: Have not heard even remotely of Logan Stankoven. Is he any good? Edit: Okay. So i googled the man, and he seems to have one of the best shots in this draft class, but he’s 5’8…. SNYPERS made a huge post on him earlier in this thread. hes his Ehlers pick ive seen some rankings that have him mid first round so if we got him second round that would be a steal and I’m giving SNYPERS this one on straight cred and what a funny name he’s got Edited June 14, 2021 by R3aL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, N4ZZY said: I think the Canucks could land a RHD prospect in the 2nd round or later. But yeah, with a top ten pick, gotta go with BPA, regardless of position. Honestly we have to go bpa at both picks especially the 2nd round. They usually take longer to get to the show if they make it and who knows if RHD is going to be a glaring need in 2+ years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: Worst case scenario, if we were to take Wallstedt and he forced our hand, is make a move and trade one for a position of need. But we absolutely have more pressing needs then Goalie. I think there’s a lot of players that can help this team win, when they’re NHL ready, that are position players. Our most pressing needs are RHD and C but I don’t see Clarke being available at 9 (so there goes the RHD) and guys like Eklund and Johnson look likely to be wingers as they progress even though they’re listed as C currently. McTavish is someone that people think may be around for our pick but given that he looks likely to stick at C he could certainly be gone before we pick, similar to Barrett Hayton a couple years ago. I think we are most likely to land a potential impact winger which I’m more then happy with despite the fact it’s not our biggest need He’s as high as 2 on rankings so McTavish comparison to Hayton I don’t really see. #2 NA http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm #7 https://www.isshockey.com/blog/iss-final-nhl-draft-rankings-2021 #8 here https://hockeyprospect.com/2021-nhl-draft-rankings/ I don’t even know what’s likely for us at 9 this draft is going to be wild. teams are going to have drastically different draft boards. But safe to say mason has climbed rapidly since the u18. and for good reason he’s a Canadian C with a nasty release and is the only power forward at the top end of the draft. hes not going to be there at 9 I’m starting to think Beniers at 9 would be more Likely than McTavish. and if I’m wrong I’ll be happy cause I’d love to add him to our group. He’d fit in beautifully. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 36 minutes ago, R3aL said: Honestly we have to go bpa at both picks especially the 2nd round. They usually take longer to get to the show if they make it and who knows if RHD is going to be a glaring need in 2+ years. We don’t have very many RHD prospects in the system, unless I’m mistaken? RHD is a sought after commodity in the league. The more we have of those, the better. It’s also a position that’s hard to fill. Trading for one usually costs quite a bit, doesn’t it? LHD more common, requires less assets. I wouldn’t be against picking BPA in both the 1st and 2nd rounds. If that nets us players who can play in the NHL and contribute to the team. I’m down and all for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 27 minutes ago, R3aL said: He’s as high as 2 on rankings so McTavish comparison to Hayton I don’t really see. #2 NA http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm #7 https://www.isshockey.com/blog/iss-final-nhl-draft-rankings-2021 #8 here https://hockeyprospect.com/2021-nhl-draft-rankings/ I don’t even know what’s likely for us at 9 this draft is going to be wild. teams are going to have drastically different draft boards. But safe to say mason has climbed rapidly since the u18. and for good reason he’s a Canadian C with a nasty release and is the only power forward at the top end of the draft. hes not going to be there at 9 I’m starting to think Beniers at 9 would be more Likely than McTavish. and if I’m wrong I’ll be happy cause I’d love to add him to our group. He’d fit in beautifully. Man, if Bernier is there at 9th, Canucks absolutely have to take him. I like McTavish, but how can you pass up on Berniers? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 As a general observation, if rankings are everywhere, that suggests a decent possibility that some top-5 selecting team could trade down. If I'm Buffalo, would try hard to attach Skinner & move that 1st OA. If that don't work, maybe Okposo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 On 6/12/2021 at 10:02 PM, Bertuzzipunch said: Ranked #14 by CONSOLIDATED RANKING Ranked #5 by ELITEPROSPECTS.COM Ranked #15 by FCHOCKEY Ranked #21 by NEUTRAL ZONE Ranked #16 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY Ranked #2 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (NA Skaters) Ranked #9 by SPORTSNET'S Ranked #17 by RECRUIT SCOUTING Ranked #29 by DOBBERPROSPECTS Ranked #14 by DRAFT PROSPECTS HOCKEY Ranked #32 by SMAHT SCOUTING Ranked #17 by THE PUCK AUTHORITY Ranked #11 by TSN/McKenzie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I for one have a lot of faith in our amateur scouting and feel quite safe about the first two picks. When Hoglander fell to 40, JB said they felt his game would translate well to the NHL. Not that it could translate well or that he was "talented" etc but that he WOULD be an NHL player. That IMO seems like a good advantage vs all the teams that overlooked him (although I don't think anyone expected him to establish himself as a top 6 F right away). Same reasoning with Podz, they feel his game will translate perfectly to NA... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 12 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Say Benning does take Wallstedt. Demko is 25, and assuming it takes Wallstedt 3-4 years to make the NHL (backup) - Demko will still be under 30 and in his prime. A Demko / Wallstedt duo could be the goaltending tandem when the Canucks are ready to make that run. A few years of those two, giving them a chance to win every night. Then after they win a Cup, they trade one for a King's ransom. (I find my opinion changes constantly on who I want lol lots of good choices) there is just so much else we need a 3C another top 6 LW who is tough to play against a top pairing RHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 hours ago, DeNiro said: 41st I think it is actually 40 because Arizona lost there pick in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
86Viking Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 JB has not done this that I can recall, but in a draft where there was limited viewing of prospects or some prospects who got to barely play I would hope we seriously consider trading down to the mid teens or so. unless a top 5 player slips to 9. If we traded down to 16 or so we could still nab a decent player potentially and we could try to acquire another 2nd round pick in doing so. Teams jumping into the top 10 should have to pony up a 2nd imo. Bold move time....trade #9 overall to Arizona with Roussel for Arizona's 2023 1st (Bedard draft) & 2nd round pick 2021 (Ari or Clb pick). Risk taken by both teams, I am looking at it thinking is there any way Arizona could be a playoff team by then...hoping not as it would give us a shot at Bedard and we should NOT be a bottom feeder that year if anything that is the year I believe we take the step and make the playoffs and maybe play upset a bit. We clear 3m in cap space, Ari has some big D contracts coming off their books so they can fit that contract in, could you convince them to take 1 of Myers or schmidt in a deal...just an idea all options should be on the table when looking to improve the team you must be creative or go against the grain of what you normally do in my opinion anyway. I would not buyout anyone this summer, tying up any sort of cap for longer duration has put us in the predicament we are in now with dead cap space, yes it will suck but it is only 1 more season and we can get some boat anchor contracts of our books for good. Or, retain 50% and try to move them this off season after the expansion draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 6 hours ago, R3aL said: Honestly we have to go bpa at both picks especially the 2nd round. They usually take longer to get to the show if they make it and who knows if RHD is going to be a glaring need in 2+ years. RHD has been a glaring need since Nolan Baumgartner was getting game action. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 7 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: Sorry to nitpick but it's the 40th overall since Arizona forfeits their first round pick this year. Thats Hoglander territory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BPA Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Canuckster86 said: JB has not done this that I can recall, but in a draft where there was limited viewing of prospects or some prospects who got to barely play I would hope we seriously consider trading down to the mid teens or so. unless a top 5 player slips to 9. If we traded down to 16 or so we could still nab a decent player potentially and we could try to acquire another 2nd round pick in doing so. Teams jumping into the top 10 should have to pony up a 2nd imo. Bold move time....trade #9 overall to Arizona with Roussel for Arizona's 2023 1st (Bedard draft) & 2nd round pick 2021 (Ari or Clb pick). Risk taken by both teams, I am looking at it thinking is there any way Arizona could be a playoff team by then...hoping not as it would give us a shot at Bedard and we should NOT be a bottom feeder that year if anything that is the year I believe we take the step and make the playoffs and maybe play upset a bit. We clear 3m in cap space, Ari has some big D contracts coming off their books so they can fit that contract in, could you convince them to take 1 of Myers or schmidt in a deal...just an idea all options should be on the table when looking to improve the team you must be creative or go against the grain of what you normally do in my opinion anyway. I would not buyout anyone this summer, tying up any sort of cap for longer duration has put us in the predicament we are in now with dead cap space, yes it will suck but it is only 1 more season and we can get some boat anchor contracts of our books for good. Or, retain 50% and try to move them this off season after the expansion draft Intriguing trade idea. But I don't think JB would want to not have a 1st round draft pick 2 years in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Jim likes 9 players with the 1st. He's not trading it. 9 BPA Power Beniers Clarke Wallstedt Eklund Hughes McTavish Guenther Lambos I have doubts that Johnson will become a (consistently) very good NHL player.,. Lambos is the sleeper. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, hammertime said: Thats Hoglander territory. It's Weber, Subban, Hoglander, O'Reilly, Bergeron, Keith, Neal. Debrincat, Hart. So....we got a good shot at something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: Jim likes 9 players with the 1st. He's not trading it. 9 BPA Power Beniers Clarke Wallstedt Eklund Hughes McTavish Guenther Lambos I have doubts that Johnson will become a (consistently) very good NHL player.,. Lambos is the sleeper. I agree Benning will take the guy highest on his list. I wonder too about Johnson. Yes, he could be a very good player, but he has serious bustaroo potential. The sleeper guy, I think, will have played in the U18s, so a guy like Ceulemans. Bigger body, right shot D. Although I really like Lambos too. If we got Lambos or Ceulemans, I'd be equally pleased. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 7 hours ago, R3aL said: He’s as high as 2 on rankings so McTavish comparison to Hayton I don’t really see. #2 NA http://www.nhl.com/ice/draftprospectbrowse.htm #7 https://www.isshockey.com/blog/iss-final-nhl-draft-rankings-2021 #8 here https://hockeyprospect.com/2021-nhl-draft-rankings/ I don’t even know what’s likely for us at 9 this draft is going to be wild. teams are going to have drastically different draft boards. But safe to say mason has climbed rapidly since the u18. and for good reason he’s a Canadian C with a nasty release and is the only power forward at the top end of the draft. hes not going to be there at 9 I’m starting to think Beniers at 9 would be more Likely than McTavish. and if I’m wrong I’ll be happy cause I’d love to add him to our group. He’d fit in beautifully. I think Beniers is a lock to go before McTavish but I don’t think McTavish is necessarily going to be there for us. The difference between Haytons draft and this draft is that in Haytons there was 2 surefire top 2 picks so that’s gonna push him further down draft boards, in a draft year like this teams top 2s could vary insanely. The Hayton comparable wasn’t for player, it was that a Center can go higher then Wingers that are projected to go higher then them prior to the draft because of position 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: I think Beniers is a lock to go before McTavish but I don’t think McTavish is necessarily going to be there for us. The difference between Haytons draft and this draft is that in Haytons there was 2 surefire top 2 picks so that’s gonna push him further down draft boards, in a draft year like this teams top 2s could vary insanely. The Hayton comparable wasn’t for player, it was that a Center can go higher then Wingers that are projected to go higher then them prior to the draft because of position Really easy to have the best player from this draft (in three years) to be a guy selected outside of the top five. There just seems to be a Maybe attached to every guy. Power - intensity? Will he come out of college? Edvinson - Brains? Eklund - too light? Clarke - Skating? And the list continues right through. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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