hammertime Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I mean, many projected Petey to play wing once he got to the NHL. Boy am I glad they were proved wrong! Are they??? Is he???? Ill use 2020 stats because EP missed more games than he played this year. JT Miller took 718 faceoffs winning 59.2% EP took a whopping 141 faceoffs winning 41.8% IMO EP is far from ready to handle 1C duty without a dedicated C riding shotty with him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 So on the subject of ranking/picking BPA vs positional need.... Benning’s team in the past has done this: they meet for their pre-draft discussion and after hours and hours of conversation come to a top 45-50 ranked list. The rest of the players are ranked based on their position, so they’ll have RHD ranked amongst each other. That’s why I think that Canucks will draft BPA for the first two rounds and maybe even the third round because I’m almost certain that they will have someone left from their top 45-50 list. This was a very interesting detail that was revealed in one of their behind the scenes videos (or an interview? ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, NUCKER67 said: Will Guenther be better than Boeser? If not, then pass Hard to project. I think he will be a more well rounded player in the NHL. Kid has a great head for the game, plays a style that will likely translate well. Goes to hard areas, and has lethal offense to boot. Boeser took a huge leap the last season though. He looked much more well rounded and IMO was our best forward this year overall. I think Guenther will be a top 5 player in this draft when everything is said and done. I really like his game and realistically at 9 he is beat case scenario after only Clarke dropping to us. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Bure_Pavel said: Id personally prefer Johnson but good with either both have game breaking skills. Id maybe choose the one that interviews the best we cant afford another Virtanen or someone who thinks they are above the team. Great character guys like Boeser and Horvat have worked out well for us. I want to like Johnson more but I have a hard time figuring him out as a prospect. My physio/chiropractor guy knows Kent because they work out at the same facility in Burnaby, and he sounds like a really, really good kid. Sounds like the opposite of a troubled partyboy like Jake. Humble, hard-working, and obviously very talented. But I don't have a scouts eye, and I don't know how good he projects to be - making me shy of him. I could definitely see one of the teams in the 6-8 range picking him though. Edited June 14, 2021 by Herberts Vasiljevs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, hammertime said: Are they??? Is he???? Ill use 2020 stats because EP missed more games than he played this year. JT Miller took 718 faceoffs winning 59.2% EP took a whopping 141 faceoffs winning 41.8% IMO EP is far from ready to handle 1C duty without a dedicated C riding shotty with him. I want miller to C and petey to play wing. I dont know why everyone is so obsessed on moving our leading scorer to 4c 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I want to like Johnson more but I have a hard time figuring him out as a prospect. My physio/chiropractor guy know's Kent because they work out at the same facility in Burnaby, and he sounds like a really, really good kid. Sounds like the opposite of a troubled partyboy like Jake. Humble, hard-working, and obviously very talented. But I don't have a scouts eye, and I don't know how good he projects to be - making me shy of him. I could definitely see one of the teams in the 6-8 range picking him though. Johnson is potentially the best offensive player in this draft in terms of hands/shiftiness. He has great agility and with his IQ he uses all his strengths at a high level. I’m a big fan of the kid, he has absurd skill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Just now, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: Johnson is potentially the best offensive player in this draft in terms of hands/shiftiness. He has great agility and with his IQ he uses all his strengths at a high level. I’m a big fan of the kid, he has absurd skill I don't have him going before us in my mock, but I think LA takes him if Guenther is gone. Heck, they might even prefer him over Guenther... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 just saw Van might try and do a Eriksson for Kessel swap. ARI needs the salary savings... Eriksson works for them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: Johnson is potentially the best offensive player in this draft in terms of hands/shiftiness. He has great agility and with his IQ he uses all his strengths at a high level. I’m a big fan of the kid, he has absurd skill I've been hearing the same as well, but I feel the Nucks need different elements. Although, Benning was very high on Zegras and both players share many of the same elements... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I don't have him going before us in my mock, but I think LA takes him if Guenther is gone. Heck, they might even prefer him over Guenther... Yeah it’s a tough year to project where guys will go. Regardless there’s going to be good players to choose from at 9. A team ahead of us could love Lysell or Lucious and take them. Hell we could love one of those players or one of a handful of other players not mentioned on here. Going to be very interesting and exciting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: Yeah it’s a tough year to project where guys will go. Regardless there’s going to be good players to choose from at 9. A team ahead of us could love Lysell or Lucious and take them. Hell we could love one of those players or one of a handful of other players not mentioned on here. Going to be very interesting and exciting I'm huge on Lysell. He's a player I'd be over the moon with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, hammertime said: Are they??? Is he???? Ill use 2020 stats because EP missed more games than he played this year. JT Miller took 718 faceoffs winning 59.2% EP took a whopping 141 faceoffs winning 41.8% IMO EP is far from ready to handle 1C duty without a dedicated C riding shotty with him. I want miller to C and petey to play wing. I dont know why everyone is so obsessed on moving our leading scorer to 3c Edited June 14, 2021 by 73 Percent 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 minutes ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I'm huge on Lysell. He's a player I'd be over the moon with. I like him too, he’s not top of my list but I’d be happy with him. There’s probably 14 or 15 guys this year that I’d be stoked with at 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 22 hours ago, hammertime said: I dunno man. Price, Flower, Brodeur, Luongo, Fuhr, Barasso, Rask, Dubnyk, Vasilevski, Spencer Knight looks like a beaut. All 1st round picks. Rick Dipetro is more the exception than the rule. I do like Sillinger as well though I shaved him and Svechkov off the list for simplicity as they are a bit more reaching than Lysell, Edvinsson. Lets go back to 1995 and folks can decide for themselves. 20 years makes for a good sample size, and it's just too early to say for goalie picked in the last five years (although yes, Knight is looking super legit). So looking at '95-'15, only goalies picked in the top 20. Good picks: J.S. Giguere 13 Roberto Luongo 4 M.A. Fleury 1 Devan Dubynk 14 Carey Price 5 Andrei Vasilievsky 19 Somewhat debatable: Martin Biron 16 Kari Lehtonen 2 Jonathan Bernier 11 Jack Campbell 10 Wasted picks: Patrick DesRochers 14 Mathieu Chouinard 15 Brian Finley 6 Rick DiPietro 1 Brent Krahn 9 Pascal Leclaire 8 Dan Blackburn 10 Al Montoya 6 Marek Schwartz 17 Riku Helenius 15 Chet Pickard 18 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: He was in the 9-12 range in a deeper draft, McTavish is still in the 8-12 range in multiple scouting services. Similarly talked about players in their draft processes We don’t have final rankings yet for all the same. im just saying if McTavish goes top 5 I don’t think anyone will bat an eyelash when Hayton went we were like HOLY F NO WAY we getting ZADINA OR HUGHES!! it was really surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, R3aL said: We don’t have final rankings yet for all the same. im just saying if McTavish goes top 5 I don’t think anyone will bat an eyelash when Hayton went we were like HOLY F NO WAY we getting ZADINA OR HUGHES!! it was really surprising. I agree, I think McTavish is gone by our pick and I agree that Hayton was surprising but had he not gone 5 he wouldn’t have slid much further, it’s rumoured that the Canucks really wanted him. And he was also in a deeper/better draft class. McTavish has less competition to fight against so of course it won’t shock the world if he goes top 5. It’s probably more likely he goes just outside the top 5 but regardless he’s going to go high Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, R3aL said: We don’t have final rankings yet for all the same. im just saying if McTavish goes top 5 I don’t think anyone will bat an eyelash when Hayton went we were like HOLY F NO WAY we getting ZADINA OR HUGHES!! it was really surprising. I think P.L. Dubois is a better comparison, in that Hayton was a surprise right up until the draft. Dubois flew up the rankings late in the season and ended up ranked first in N.A. according to Central Scouting (Matthews was listed as Europe). Nobody who was paying attention was surprised when Dubois went 3rd. McTavish ends up ranked 2nd in N.A. according to Central this year. Nobody who is paying attention this year will be surprised if McTavish goes top five or close. Edit: oh, wait, that's exactly what you were saying. This is what happens when you jump into the middle of a discussion half-cocked. Edited June 14, 2021 by HighOnHockey 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 7 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Lets go back to 1995 and folks can decide for themselves. 20 years makes for a good sample size, and it's just too early to say for goalie picked in the last five years (although yes, Knight is looking super legit). So looking at '95-'15, only goalies picked in the top 20. Good picks: J.S. Giguere 13 Roberto Luongo 4 M.A. Fleury 1 Devan Dubynk 14 Carey Price 5 Andrei Vasilievsky 19 Somewhat debatable: Martin Biron 16 Kari Lehtonen 2 Jonathan Bernier 11 Jack Campbell 10 Wasted picks: Patrick DesRochers 14 Mathieu Chouinard 15 Brian Finley 6 Rick DiPietro 1 Brent Krahn 9 Pascal Leclaire 8 Dan Blackburn 10 Al Montoya 6 Marek Schwartz 17 Riku Helenius 15 Chet Pickard 18 I suspect though that if you make a similar list for any position, you'll get a similar breakdown. The only advantage for forwards or defense is there is more room for them to crack a roster thus a higher chance to make the NHL in different roles even if they were drafted for those roles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, 73 Percent said: I want miller to C and petey to play wing. I dont know why everyone is so obsessed on moving our leading scorer to 3c How about moving our leading scorer to 1c? And Petey to 2c where he could assumedly find easier minutes with Bo and Pearson playing hard 3c offensive/match-up minutes Just not sure who all the wingers are on both those top 2 lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Herberts Vasiljevs said: I'm not so sure about that. But in the event he gets taken by a team like Columbus, Detroit or San Jose, it'll push another good player down. Very possibly a D man like Clarke. I think LA takes a skilled winger at 8 like Johnson or Guenther. If Clarke falls to us at 9 i will give up booze for a week. Okay a day. Okay an hour. Okay I'll give up my Vegan diet. There, that's it. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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