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1 hour ago, janisahockeynut said:

LOL......now you are talking like a HF Boarder! LOL

 

But seriously, I am not sold on anyone player, and my MO, is to make a statement to see if I can draw out some opinions we can chew on.......I respect your opinion, and must say, I am not sold on any one hockey player, more than looking for options.

 

Sometimes, I even draw out myself, in that I come up with something I am happy with myself.............in this case it was a comment about how I would handle this summer if I was Benning......

 

To repeat myself, I would use this years picks to fill in out RHD, and then I use 2022 and 2023 picks, and assets to fill in the remaining holes, what ever they are on the big club.

 

As some people on here have pointed out, Miller and Horvat are not getting younger, and are approaching UFA years.......

 

Back to the draft for a second. I remember a year or 2 ago, when experts were looking at this draft and saying it was going to be Dman heavy, with good prospects going late into the second and early 3rd. I agree with this, and although not a Great draft, I still think it will be a decent draft.

 

My motto for this draft is, take all available means to get Clarke and at least 1 more RHD in the second round. IMO, Clarke goes around 4 or 5, so you have to get out ahead of that, so to speak.

 

Now, if we can't, and this is where I draw on your services and opinions..........

 

I would like one of ......Ceulemans or Morrow later in the first

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one of ...........Heimosalmi, Schmidt, Mailloux or Bar in the 2nd

 

So, yes, maybe we trade down in the first, after exhausting our original target "Clarke"

But my question to you is.............

 

What order do you put the rest of those guys? And did I miss a RHD that maybe is just as good? (I do recall a couple of others, but they seem to appear in some rankings and not in others)

 

Hey, and If I don't always say so, thanks for the dialogue, if is a learning experience and good for everybody, to exchange views........

 

PS.......polite?  Ummm, Sorry! (joke)

I think people are really reading too many draft rankings that all basically parrot each other or get their info from the same sources. I think Heimosalmi goes top 20. 

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5 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said:

I barely want to play this game. You know I'm BPA only in the early going. I would be all for taking a couple flyers on RHDs in later rounds, but first couple rounds it's purely BPA. I'd be ok with trading up for a RHD if that player is also the best available (i.e. Clarke), but trading back and missing out on a better prospect? Nah.

 

I don't know anything more about Mailloux, Schmidt or Morrow than you do. In fact, probably less. I'm just interested in doing my own scouting these days, don't spend much time reading scouting reports from media "experts."

 

That said, I'd rank the top three RHDs in this draft: Clarke, Heimosalmi, Ceulemans. The latter two are pretty much neck in neck for me, but at this point in time I'm giving the edge to Heimosalmi. I just don't see enough from Ceulemans to indicate particularly high offensive upside. Heimosalmi shows flashes of a potential superstar. But the difference in size closes the gap a bit, and that's not to say Ceulemans won't be a good offensive defenseman, but maybe more of a second pairing guy. One other kid I'm a pretty big fan of is Oscar Plandowski. Apparently his dad runs a power skating school, and it shows - kid is butter smooth. Half decent size too at 6'0, 190. Looks like he's ranked around the third round. That's a kid I wouldn't mind specifically targeting if he's there for the third round pick.

 

But honestly, if you're that dead set on drafting RHD early in the draft, wait until next year. That draft is stacked at every position, but none more than RHD. I started working on my 2022 draft profiles, and I won't go into detail here, but Tristan Luneau, Elias Salomonsson, Simon Nemec and Seamus Casey all look like bluechip stallions, and all are RHD. Then Ryan Chesley and David Jiricek are also really good, and likely first round options. Vinny Borgesi, Michael Mastrodomenico and Kasper Kulonummi could be names to watch as well.

I’m confident Benning will select the BPA on his list, when he picks at nine.  The thing is we don’t know what his list is, so his BPA could have Cuelemans or Lambos a lot higher than we might.  Benning could easily have Johnson and Gunther  outside  the top ten.  I’m just hoping we don’t pick Gunther.  

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3 hours ago, flickyoursedin said:

I think it’s more overlooked because Eklund projects to stick at the center position. We’re loaded for wingers so to select an undersized one when we are starting to look small in the top 6 as is. However with Eklund to position flex and a little bit higher end skill I feel is harder to pass up. I like Lysell and think he’s a great prospect will become a top 6 winger but Eklund could become a more important top 6 Center and draws comparisons in the likes of Backstrom and Zetterberg.

I was actually referring to the articles of various NHL draft "experts". I think we actually like Lysell here a lot more than average. For me personally, I would be delighted to get Eklund. For Lysell, many of the experts think he's the best skater in the draft so I was wondering. why his size keeps getting brought up but Eklund seems to get a pass.

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4 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

I was actually referring to the articles of various NHL draft "experts". I think we actually like Lysell here a lot more than average. For me personally, I would be delighted to get Eklund. For Lysell, many of the experts think he's the best skater in the draft so I was wondering. why his size keeps getting brought up but Eklund seems to get a pass.

Maybe it’s a compete thing?  

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22 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Maybe it’s a compete thing?  

Lysell has one of, if not the, best motor in the draft. I'd personally say it's just down to stats. Eklund put up very good numbers as a draft eligible in the SHL. Lysell's numbers are quite average to disappointing.

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1 hour ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

I was actually referring to the articles of various NHL draft "experts". I think we actually like Lysell here a lot more than average. For me personally, I would be delighted to get Eklund. For Lysell, many of the experts think he's the best skater in the draft so I was wondering. why his size keeps getting brought up but Eklund seems to get a pass.

Lysell projects a lot like Hoglander in my opinion. His motor and play away from the puck are what you love to see in all prospects. But to answer your question I think the only reason nobody brings up Eklunds size is because he’s a top Center prospect and his overall offensive skill game is higher than Lysells at the moment. Top centre’s are harder to get than top wingers.

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5 hours ago, Alflives said:

Trade down, or take Lambos or Ceulemans.  Not too much of a stretch for either.  

We are NOT taking Ceulemans at 9 (also I finally found the man whose obsessed with Ceulemans). Fk no... I rather have WALLY 

 

If the top 4 D man are gone and Clark likes him 

 

 

You take fking WALLY 

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Lysell could be a Hoglander-type steal in this draft. But I think we gotta aim higher with 9th OA.?

 

Wallstedt is not a reach at 9. 
 

Not a specific team need, but not a reach.

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2 minutes ago, nergish said:

Wallstedt is not a reach at 9. 
 

Not a specific team need, but not a reach.

He might be BPA at 9 tbh. Screw need. We messed up going for NEED in 2016

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9 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

He might be BPA at 9 tbh. Screw need. We messed up going for NEED in 2016

I love the kid. 

But I genuinely believe in Thatcher Demko as a goalie, and his career is just beginning. 
The timing of drafting Wallstedt now isn’t quite perfect. He’s playing in the SHL, and honestly isn’t that far away (see Spencer Knight). 
 

I just don’t think we can take Demmer out the crease, even 3+ years from now. 
 

Don’t get me wrong. Walkstedt is a phenom. We’re talking potentially a Pettersson of goaltending. But Demko has insane upside himself. Did you know his longterm gf is a goalie? The guy is dedicated - he’s here to stay.

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2 minutes ago, nergish said:

I love the kid. 

But I genuinely believe in Thatcher Demko as a goalie, and his career is just beginning. 
The timing of drafting Wallstedt now isn’t quite perfect. He’s playing in the SHL, and honestly isn’t that far away (see Spencer Knight). 
 

I just don’t think we can take Demmer out the crease, even 3+ years from now. 
 

Don’t get me wrong. Walkstedt is a phenom. We’re talking potentially a Pettersson of goaltending. But Demko has insane upside himself. Did you know his longterm gf is a goalie? The guy is here to stay.

I think Wallestedt is prob 3 years away from full time starter. 

1 more year in SHL 

1 year in AHL to season 

1 year as NHL backup 

NHL starter 

 

By then Demko would be in his 4th year of his contract. As for Dipietro, well hes prob gone 

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23 minutes ago, DontMessMe said:

I think Wallestedt is prob 3 years away from full time starter. 

1 more year in SHL 

1 year in AHL to season 

1 year as NHL backup 

NHL starter 

 

By then Demko would be in his 4th year of his contract. As for Dipietro, well hes prob gone 

Yeah. Ultimately I’m okay with it.

But I think I’d rather have McTavish. Or Reinhart...

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Wallstedt can be an amazing starter/backup for Demko. This can be an awesome pick because we'll be set for goalies, and we won't have to worry about spending any additional money in that department.

I'm FOR Wallstedt if he's BPA.

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I have gone over this draft several times and the conclusion I keep coming back to is....... Players taken before us in no particular order. McTavish, Guenther, Eklund, Power, Beniers, Clarke, Hughes, Wallstedt.

 

The guys in our spot. 

Edvinsson, Lysell, Johnson, Sillinger, Svechkov. 

 

Then I ask myself would I be happier with 1 of those guys or..

 

One of: Heimosalmi, Ceulemans, Koivunen, Tuomaala, Raty, Chibrikov, Cossa, Lambos. 

 

And one of:  

Jack Bar, Roman Schmidt, Samu Salminen, Jake Martin, Pastujov, Samoskovich, Lazutin.

 

and I find the latter more attractive. 

 

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With a lot of cap room opening up next summer we don’t know what our needs will be in 2 years, which is about when our pick will hopefully be ready for a taste in the NHL. Really, our pool is pretty bare for blue chippers so I can’t see us going for positional need.
 

Playoffs show time and again how important goaltending is… if BPA is a goalie I think it’s an easy choice. 

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3 hours ago, Sp3nny said:

Lysell has one of, if not the, best motor in the draft. I'd personally say it's just down to stats. Eklund put up very good numbers as a draft eligible in the SHL. Lysell's numbers are quite average to disappointing.

For fans, sure, stats are a big part of it. But this doesn't explain why Goran Stubb and NHLCS has Lysell way out in a corn field somewhere. I mean, as I always say, Central Scouting is what it is: not the best scouts in the world, but still a cut above most of the media scouting services, and the closest thing to a representation of what NHL teams are looking for, as their stated intent is to support NHL teams. That European group is notorious for snubbing small players, but yet they have Eklund number one.

 

I've talked at length about my worries with Lysell, but I do think his upside is among the highest in the draft. There just isn't the same risk factor with Eklund. Lysell has yet to show he can be consistently effective at the pro level at his size - Eklund has spelled it out in all caps. It's not like he's just fitting in at the SHL level, he is already a play driver and a difference maker. On top of his talent level, his hockey IQ is through the roof. Of course people are factoring his size - it is the only reason he's not the obvious and overwhelming first overall pick.

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44 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

maybe an unpopular opinion 

 

Sebastian Cossa will be a better tender than Wallstedt.

It's certainly floating around. 

In a normal year where we don't have a Wallstedt level tendy. The Cossa hype would be enormous. A lot can happen along the way depending on how they are developed. 

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