204CanucksFan Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Just now, NUCKER67 said: Why do they call it Top six picks, but only list 5. Why not just call it Top 5 Picks? Gotta leave a little room for error. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: no surprises here, as expected Mc Tavish really high along with Guenther. Works for me! In that scenario we get one of Clarke, Edvinsson, or Eklund as long as someone takes Johnson, Wallstedt, or Lysell in the next two picks. Edited June 27, 2021 by DeNiro 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 minute ago, 204CanucksFan said: Gotta leave a little room for error. So, now watch the Top "6" include: Wallstedt Eklund Edvinsson Johnson Clarke 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Wolfgang Durst said: no surprises here, as expected Mc Tavish really high along with Guenther. Alf will be shocked if Geunther goes before Clarke and Eklund. Alf we be shocked but excited, because better players fall to us. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Alf will be shocked if Geunther goes before Clarke and Eklund. Alf we be shocked but excited, because better players fall to us. Honestly there’s no run away prospect. Guenther being a winger is why people don’t like him. Bob McKenzies mock draft he released like 2/3 weeks ago had Guenther 2nd or 3rd overall I can’t remember. While I agree just with what Vancouver has in terms of prospects I value the dmen more than the wingers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Alflives said: So the Hawks, when in their rebuild, picking Skillie at 8 and Barker at three had bad scouts? Those same scouts drafted their three Cup winning key players during that same time. All teams have misses during their rebuilding drafts. It’s wether the scouts can find players with later picks to cover for those misses that’s key. Benning, and his staff, have covered Jake and OJ with Hoglander and Bone. Plus we got Demko in round two. We have several good young prospects coming along too, who will be pushing for spots ove4 the next few seasons. We actually look really good. Thinking we aren’t drafting really well is: Dude. Do I really need to spell this out? I was actually thinking about addressing this in my original post, but I think my posts tend to run long enough, imagine if I was going to anticipate every possible ridiculous interpretation. A failed pick is just that. No more, no less. Great scouts, great scouting staffs have them sometimes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Marv-the-wet-bandit said: A lot of prospects don’t develop the way you’d hope they would. But if you get a guy that doesn’t meet or exceed expectations but is a player that contributes that’s not a bust, is it disappointing? Sure but not a bust. If you take a guy like Yakupov that’s out of the league after a few years then it’s a bust. The goal is to find players that play, obviously in the best case scenario these guys reach their potential but that doesn’t happen all that often. When you see the comparables these players get on draft day it’s ridiculous and makes it hard for players to reach their lofty expectations. I absolutely love Kent Johnson and he’s who I want at 9 but Button saying his comparable is Pettersson is crazy, if that was truly his comparable then he’d be going 1. Raffi Torres isn’t who you ideally want at 5 overall, you’d prefer a Jagr but he still played a role so I don’t think that can be considered a bust but a Griffin Reinhart at 4 is certainly a bust OK, fine, not a "bust". I'm not all that interested in the terminology. But you know it's not just bust or player. If you're a GM, you need to hold your scouts accountable. Picks need to be not just players, but players worthy of (or exceeding) their draft position. GMs and scouting directors are keeping close track of which scouts say what, and if they just get an NHL depth player with a top five pick, someone needs to be held accountable. Likewise if an area scout pushes for a player in later rounds who ends up being a steal, it gets noticed. A good example of how scouts' prestige works is the concept of "crossover scouts". It isn't just scouting directors at the top and then the rest. Lower level scouts are assigned to specific regions, and then the most trusted scouts also get assigned to do crossover between regions. This way, at the scouting meetings, the area scouts will give their breakdowns of players in their regions and then the higher ranking crossover scouts are more responsible for actually comparing prospects across regions to arrange the order, and then the area scouts can push for certain players to move up or down. I get the point you're making, and I'm sure it is important for some people to hear, but my point is that there absolutely are better and worse picks, and it is important for teams to assess the quality of their scouts' picks and each scout is always moving up or down the ladder based on the relative success or failure of their evaluations. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 27 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Dude. Do I really need to spell this out? I was actually thinking about addressing this in my original post, but I think my posts tend to run long enough, imagine if I was going to anticipate every possible ridiculous interpretation. A failed pick is just that. No more, no less. Great scouts, great scouting staffs have them sometimes. Missed top ten picks happen not just sometimes, but during every team’s rebuilding years. Benning covered for his two misses, as I already pointed out, with Hogs and Bone. Plus, Benning has our goalie, number one D man, and super centre. Oh, and scoring winger. Plus, he’s drafted a group of young supporting players who are coming along now too. Like I said, we are looking great! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marv-the-wet-bandit Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: OK, fine, not a "bust". I'm not all that interested in the terminology. But you know it's not just bust or player. If you're a GM, you need to hold your scouts accountable. Picks need to be not just players, but players worthy of (or exceeding) their draft position. GMs and scouting directors are keeping close track of which scouts say what, and if they just get an NHL depth player with a top five pick, someone needs to be held accountable. Likewise if an area scout pushes for a player in later rounds who ends up being a steal, it gets noticed. A good example of how scouts' prestige works is the concept of "crossover scouts". It isn't just scouting directors at the top and then the rest. Lower level scouts are assigned to specific regions, and then the most trusted scouts also get assigned to do crossover between regions. This way, at the scouting meetings, the area scouts will give their breakdowns of players in their regions and then the higher ranking crossover scouts are more responsible for actually comparing prospects across regions to arrange the order, and then the area scouts can push for certain players to move up or down. I get the point you're making, and I'm sure it is important for some people to hear, but my point is that there absolutely are better and worse picks, and it is important for teams to assess the quality of their scouts' picks and each scout is always moving up or down the ladder based on the relative success or failure of their evaluations. Of course some picks are worse then others and I totally agree that scouting departments need to be held accountable. What I’m saying is that as long as you’re drafting guys that contribute and not drafting busts then you’re at least on the right track with your first rounders. You can’t just get away with landing guys that are bottom 6 forwards and bottom pair Dmen if you want to get anywhere, you’ll absolutely need to really hit on some of those picks and land higher profile players. I just think you need to avoid busts and make your picks count as guys you can reliably put in a lineup whether that’s top 6 or bottom 6, top 4 or bottom 4. Overall I don’t think we’re on different pages here and are probably just debating over semantics on this one. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC Readership Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 5 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Why cant we pay them all tho? We just adding maybe 1-1.5 mill to each at what they make atm. Be less than 5 mill all together GMJB is gonna go nuts in the 2022 offseason and spend to the cap which will hinder extensions for both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, AC Readership said: GMJB is gonna go nuts in the 2022 offseason and spend to the cap which will hinder extensions for both. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 (edited) I think whomever wants the goalie will trade up to nab him my eyes on Edmonton Edited June 27, 2021 by 70seven 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 He has 3 points cuz the team doesnt play the guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flickyoursedin Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 22 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: He has 3 points cuz the team doesnt play the guy I would love Lysell if we were picking 13-15. At that pick it’d be good value. But at 9 it seems a little early for a small winger with what else should be available. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 28 minutes ago, DontMessMe said: He has 3 points cuz the team doesnt play the guy Lol this has been posted many times with similar comments. I still haven't watched it, but do they give any explanation as to why the team doesn't play him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nurnge Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 reading all the comments about draft picks Busting . Hockey is based way more on projecting what a teenager will become as an adult as compared to the NBA and NFL who draft the majority of there players after collage/university . So much goes into drafting these days as compared to in the 70's . when the europeans first started to get drafted I read one time that many of them had never been seen by the teams only . Scouting was done by statistics . I think DET drafted a prospect who had passed away before the draft . Now you always hear about a players Floor vs his ceiling . Is he a good teammate , so much about how well he skates and thinks the game . I am sure some of the prospects that we think will go top ten could drop 4 or 6 spots .Seems to happen every year . remember Vilardi was rated 3td and the kings took him in the teens . we got Hughes and Podkolzin that way I hated when JB traded the pick for Miller Not because I didn't want Miller just because it took the interest of that draft away for me . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanleysteamersmyl Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 Kent Johnson: I grew up in East Van, it would be a dream come true if I was drafted by my hometown team. Pick him GMGB Player Facts Date of Birth Oct 18, 2002 Position C Age 18 Height 6'1" / 185 cm Place of Birth North Vancouver, BC, CAN Weight 165 lbs / 75 kg Nation Canada Shoots L Youth Team North Shore Winter Club Contract - Agency PREMIUM NHL Draft Top Prospect eligible for the 2021 NHL Entry Draft https://www.tsn.ca/b-c-boy-kent-johnson-brings-creative-flair-to-nhl-draft-class-1.1659673 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, 70seven said: I think whomever wants the goalie will trade up to nab him my eyes on Edmonton Do the leafs have the parts and trading partners to grab a top pick and grab him? They really could use him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustABandwagoner Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 2 hours ago, HighOnHockey said: Lol this has been posted many times with similar comments. I still haven't watched it, but do they give any explanation as to why the team doesn't play him? He mentioned something about some teams might not like him cuz he asked for a change in teams or something. Something along the lines of wanting to play more for his own development. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 27, 2021 Share Posted June 27, 2021 13 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Why cant we pay them all tho? We just adding maybe 1-1.5 mill to each at what they make atm. Be less than 5 mill all together Hopefully, but after QH and Peteys payrises, as well as maybe acquiring serious upgrades on D, there may be an issue of cap space… hopefully not, but must admit I’ve had same concerns…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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