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5 hours ago, Canuckster86 said:

I don't think enough credit is given to scouts sometimes, especially in this case. Gradin has been a longtime scout for us and has had heavy influence over many of our picks, especially all them Swedes!

While I don't disagree and think the scouts deserve their fair share of credit, I find it funny that the scouts only come up when talking about our excellent picks. When it comes to the not so great ones, Benning gets all the wrath on those and the scouts just fade away into the distance. At the end of the day, drafting (development, trading, signings, etc) all come down to a team effort. So just as Benning gets lit up for making some moves because he's the guy to show for it, he also deserves the credit for making the excellent picks as he makes the ultimate decision (with the guidance of his scouting staff that he has hired/kept) in the end for those.

 

It's simply great to see that scouting/drafting/development has all been areas of focus to improve on since Benning's arrival and we are really seeing the results of it.

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2 hours ago, Gawdzukes said:

 

Ummm didn't they luck out twice and get Malkin #2 overall too?

Ya they did as they were the worst team in the league, and actually got bumped down to 2nd overall from the lottery. Really lucky they got Malkin and not Ovechkin...

 

2 hours ago, Isam said:

Three times. Fleury was alright. 4 if you count the absolute steal in letang

They traded up from #3 to #1 to select Fleury. They didn't win a lottery to get him, they were the 2nd worst team in the league again, and actually got bumped down to 3rd from the lottery. Adding to my original point, they used trading to their advantage. Letang was a great pick, but are we gonna call every great pick lucky?

 

2 hours ago, Bertuzzipunch said:

Jordan staal was number 2 overall for pitts as well

Once again because they were a bad team, 2nd worst in the league. Are they lucky getting to pick Staal, or unlucky as they passed on both the next two picks in Toews and Backstrom? And Staal was traded at a high value for other valuable assets in #8 pick, Sutter, and Dumoulin.

 

Look, I admit the core of their team is based around the draft, nobody can deny that. But I don't think it's right to say that draft luck is what has defined their franchise for the past 15 years. I think it's pretty ridiculous to look at that Burke interview and say that's exactly what did it for them, one generational draft. If you really believe that, you must put some stock into tanking for high picks then? We have seen this play out with other teams (*cough cough* Edmonton) with little success. Hell, if Burke himself believed that, why did he trade 2010 and 2011 1st round picks for Phil Kessel? Never mind a 2010 second in there as well.

 

Pittsburgh has had awesome success through the draft, but they have stayed relevant because they used their valuable assets wisely.

 

But I won't distract from the draft talk any further. Let's focus on the great players we have in front of us, and hopefully we get another great player to add to our core.

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15 minutes ago, Sp3nny said:

Ya they did as they were the worst team in the league, and actually got bumped down to 2nd overall from the lottery. Really lucky they got Malkin and not Ovechkin...

 

They traded up from #3 to #1 to select Fleury. They didn't win a lottery to get him, they were the 2nd worst team in the league again, and actually got bumped down to 3rd from the lottery. Adding to my original point, they used trading to their advantage. Letang was a great pick, but are we gonna call every great pick lucky?

 

Once again because they were a bad team, 2nd worst in the league. Are they lucky getting to pick Staal, or unlucky as they passed on both the next two picks in Toews and Backstrom? And Staal was traded at a high value for other valuable assets in #8 pick, Sutter, and Dumoulin.

 

Look, I admit the core of their team is based around the draft, nobody can deny that. But I don't think it's right to say that draft luck is what has defined their franchise for the past 15 years. I think it's pretty ridiculous to look at that Burke interview and say that's exactly what did it for them, one generational draft. If you really believe that, you must put some stock into tanking for high picks then? We have seen this play out with other teams (*cough cough* Edmonton) with little success. Hell, if Burke himself believed that, why did he trade 2010 and 2011 1st round picks for Phil Kessel? Never mind a 2010 second in there as well.

 

Pittsburgh has had awesome success through the draft, but they have stayed relevant because they used their valuable assets wisely.

 

But I won't distract from the draft talk any further. Let's focus on the great players we have in front of us, and hopefully we get another great player to add to our core.

Lol. No. I got the argument as crosby didnt win the cup alone dude and he didnt. Plus i hate the burkie argument and i agree with ya.

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Plus i want to get back to talking about some cool prospects like cameron whynot instead of trade scenarios and how teams win cups as the major focus. Yes, it is important, but it shouldnt overshadow the kids in this draft

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Just watched Scouch's new video on Sillinger. Kinda turned me off to him honestly, though I was never super into him in the first place. The video gives me a lot of Virtanen vibes from his draft year.

 

Interestingly, both Johnson and Sillinger are somewhat labeled as trying to do too much themselves, but I have a lot more confidence in Johnson with our pick. He seems to use a lot more vision on ice than Sillinger.

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1 minute ago, Gawdzukes said:

I would not be all surprised to see an absolute wildcard or two before our pick go off the board leaving us with some juicy options.

This is my hope too.  Detroit taking Wallstadt, a second higher up take Geunther, and another team above us taking Johnson would be very nice.  Then for sure we get a guy like Eklund, Hughes, McTavish, or Clarke, because Power and Beniers are going one - two.  

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4 hours ago, Sp3nny said:

Do you think Crosby is the sole reason they bring home three cups in the last 12 years? As we are seeing with McDavid, success is earned by the team, not the player.

Yes is the answer and McDavid is no Crosby. Crosby made his team better and McDavid hasn't figured that out yet. The one thing I'll give McDavid is Pittsburg had a goalie and Edmonton doesn't

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3 minutes ago, Sp3nny said:

Just watched Scouch's new video on Sillinger. Kinda turned me off to him honestly, though I was never super into him in the first place. The video gives me a lot of Virtanen vibes from his draft year.

 

Interestingly, both Johnson and Sillinger are somewhat labeled as trying to do too much themselves, but I have a lot more confidence in Johnson with our pick. He seems to use a lot more vision on ice than Sillinger.

I like sillinger. Lol. Big thing with scouch is he does an an isolated set of games. So you never see the overall body of work. Yeah, he does the overall general analysis good, but he he doesnt hit the overall body of work that great. But scouch can be good as a intro into some of these guys. 

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5 minutes ago, Isam said:

I like sillinger. Lol. Big thing with scouch is he does an an isolated set of games. So you never see the overall body of work. Yeah, he does the overall general analysis good, but he he doesnt hit the overall body of work that great. But scouch can be good as a intro into some of these guys. 

Definitely true. Tough to say if he just caught bad games or something. I will readily admit to having watched very little of Sillinger, and much more of Johnson.

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2 minutes ago, Sp3nny said:

Definitely true. Tough to say if he just caught bad games or something. I will readily admit to having watched very little of Sillinger, and much more of Johnson.

Johnson. I do have my reservations. Dude has the skill, but damn, beniers was the playdriver. Kid has talent though if he doesnt force it.

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20 minutes ago, vinny_in_vancouver said:

Wow. Tony Ferrari, the Managing Editor and Director of Scouting for DobberProspects, thinks that Wallstedt is the BPA in this draft:

 

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I'd love to see Buffalo or Seattle draft the guy just for kicks (kick saves).

IF in Buff shoes, should you trade down a few slots & risk it? Say down to #6 or 7 slot, land perhaps a good prospect & 2nd rd pick, then pick Wall, or BPA that's left.

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9 minutes ago, Isam said:

Johnson. I do have my reservations. Dude has the skill, but damn, beniers was the playdriver. Kid has talent though if he doesnt force it.

I have my reservations as well. Beniers definitely was the motor on the line, but from my viewings, Johnson did a really nice job in that department as well, as Beniers would get the puck in efficiently, but then once in, a lot of the play would go through Johnson.

 

I'm really hoping some top talent falls to us again, but 9 is just a little far I feel. I'm thinking Johnson will be the option available, hence my watching the most on him.

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12 minutes ago, Alflives said:

This is my hope too.  Detroit taking Wallstadt, a second higher up take Geunther, and another team above us taking Johnson would be very nice.  Then for sure we get a guy like Eklund, Hughes, McTavish, or Clarke, because Power and Beniers are going one - two.  

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I'd be stoked !!! :canucks:

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