Nucker 67 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) According to Button Best 6 Forwards - Beniers, Eklund, Guenther, L'Heureux, Svechkov, Coronato Best 4 Dmen - Power, Clarke, Edvinsson, Hughes So, how many would be happy getting L'Heureux, Coronato or Svechkov? (and passing on McTavish, Johnson and Lysell) How accurate has Button been over the years. Did he predict Petey? Edited July 10, 2021 by NUCKER67 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 17 hours ago, NUCKER67 said: Clarke, Eklund, Lysell, Edvinsson, Wallstedt, Svechkov, Lambos, McTavish, Raty Eklund already said he wants one more year in Sweden. Svechkov has two years on his KHL contract. Edvinsson, Lysell, Raty all exhibited this year that they're barely able to handle SHL/Liiga; not even close to NHL-ready. McTavish needs to continue working on his skills. Clarke needs continued work on his defensive reads. Wallstedt is a goalie. Most likely candidates to make NHL will be Power and Beniers, but sounds like both are leaning towards staying in college. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Googlie Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 This morning's write up on Edvinsson, in Vancouver is Awesome https://www.vancouverisawesome.com/canucks-hockey/should-the-canucks-draft-simon-edvinsson-3945293 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 So are Canucks going to pick Aito Iguchi? i would say “Yes” that they should get this kid with a late pick. The Kid is super skilled, small but he would be a Huge fan favorite. A must see at Abby AHL valley team. I remember watching this kid years ago with the Pavel Barber videos. Come on...Jimbo pick this Kid!!! Youtube this kid...hes a great watch Aito Iguchi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 47 minutes ago, NUCKER67 said: According to Button Best 6 Forwards - Beniers, Eklund, Guenther, L'Heureux, Svechkov, Coronato Best 4 Dmen - Power, Clarke, Edvinsson, Hughes So, how many would be happy getting L'Heureux, Coronato or Svechkov? (and passing on McTavish, Johnson and Lysell) How accurate has Button been over the years. Did he predict Petey? Button can be pretty accurate - but also usually throws a few controversial rankings in for talking points. Can't remmember where he had Petey but he did famously have Virtanen in the 2nd round I think there is some play-off bias sneaking in there due to way those guys play, well apart from Coronato who i don't have a single view on so won't comment. Would be happy with Svechkov for sure - He could end up being a much better 2/3 C that McTavish - but we start putting a lot of risk into the Russian factor. Seems like his scoring picked up later in the year ( i didn't see any of those games tho) and he has been one of the best D biased forwards in the top of the draft. I think he actually played at wing quite a lot this year tho. L'Heureux is the exact kinda player a team looking for grit needs - tho i don't really see the skill to go top 10 personally. Also someone suspended for spitting on someone during a pandemic is probably a NO for me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 How come no one talks about Cole Sillinger? What’s wrong with him? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Eddie said: Button can be pretty accurate - but also usually throws a few controversial rankings in for talking points. Can't remmember where he had Petey but he did famously have Virtanen in the 2nd round I think there is some play-off bias sneaking in there due to way those guys play, well apart from Coronato who i don't have a single view on so won't comment. Would be happy with Svechkov for sure - He could end up being a much better 2/3 C that McTavish - but we start putting a lot of risk into the Russian factor. Seems like his scoring picked up later in the year ( i didn't see any of those games tho) and he has been one of the best D biased forwards in the top of the draft. I think he actually played at wing quite a lot this year tho. L'Heureux is the exact kinda player a team looking for grit needs - tho i don't really see the skill to go top 10 personally. Also someone suspended for spitting on someone during a pandemic is probably a NO for me. At both U17 tournament Svechkov played left wing opposite Yurov, with Gaidamak in the middle. Every game I saw him with Lada this year he played center. As I've mentioned before, this contributed to his lack of offensive production - most centers, especially that young will start their pro careers on the wing, but Lada threw him straight to the wolves and relied on him to be a 200 foot center. He handled it well but it didn't give him much space to create offense. At U18s he was centering the top line between Miroshnichenko and Yurov. It was nice to see the full picture, cus if you'd only seen him in VHL this year you would mostly just see a player committed to defense and being responsible with the puck. But he was able to show off his offensive abilities at the international tournaments amongst his peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) My Cole Sillinger thoughts are he will play on the Canucks one day after a trade at TDL. So why draft him. I predict Cole Sillinger will play on all 32 teams in his NHL career. Beating his dads record. Edited July 10, 2021 by HockeyHarry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Devron44 said: How come no one talks about Cole Sillinger? What’s wrong with him? Just the skating. I actually think he looks pretty fast once he gets up to speed, but it's his first couple steps and acceleration that are kinda wonky. I'm a huge fan; ultra-high compete and work ethic, and his lack of high-end skating has driven him to develop elite 200 foot hockey IQ. He tracks the puck and anticipate play so well that he's always in perfect position in the neutral zone to disrupt the opponents' transition. Sometimes he can trick people into thinking he's a little lackadaisical on the ice because he's not running around chasing pucks down, but this is because he doesn't have the skating to be doing that, and he's smart enough to understand this so he uses perfect positioning and reads to let the puck come to him instead. I suppose the reason people don't talk about him so much here is that he doesn't seem like such a Benning-style pick. Benning's emphasis has been on speed and skill. Aside from the skating issues, Sillinger's puck skills and playmaking ability don't exactly stand out either. It's his two-way play, pro-style game and intangibles that make him such a special prospect. Offensively his best attributes are his shot, his penchant to drive the puck into the middle of the ice, and his commitment and ability to wreck havoc in front of the opposing goalie - create screens, shovel garbage and tip pucks. I've said it many times before but I see a ton of Joe Pavelski in him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, HighOnHockey said: Just the skating. I actually think he looks pretty fast once he gets up to speed, but it's his first couple steps and acceleration that are kinda wonky. I'm a huge fan; ultra-high compete and work ethic, and his lack of high-end skating has driven him to develop elite 200 foot hockey IQ. He tracks the puck and anticipate play so well that he's always in perfect position in the neutral zone to disrupt the opponents' transition. Sometimes he can trick people into thinking he's a little lackadaisical on the ice because he's not running around chasing pucks down, but this is because he doesn't have the skating to be doing that, and he's smart enough to understand this so he uses perfect positioning and reads to let the puck come to him instead. I suppose the reason people don't talk about him so much here is that he doesn't seem like such a Benning-style pick. Benning's emphasis has been on speed and skill. Aside from the skating issues, Sillinger's puck skills and playmaking ability don't exactly stand out either. It's his two-way play, pro-style game and intangibles that make him such a special prospect. Offensively his best attributes are his shot, his penchant to drive the puck into the middle of the ice, and his commitment and ability to wreck havoc in front of the opposing goalie - create screens, shovel garbage and tip pucks. I've said it many times before but I see a ton of Joe Pavelski in him. After reading this I would be happy with that pick depending how the cards fall. Skating can be improved. Horvat wasn’t a great skater now he is one of our best skaters. Appreciate the detail of your post. He may not be a Benning type pick but you can bet that because he isn’t the CDC census that he has a good shot of being picked lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3nny Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: Just the skating. I actually think he looks pretty fast once he gets up to speed, but it's his first couple steps and acceleration that are kinda wonky. I'm a huge fan; ultra-high compete and work ethic, and his lack of high-end skating has driven him to develop elite 200 foot hockey IQ. He tracks the puck and anticipate play so well that he's always in perfect position in the neutral zone to disrupt the opponents' transition. Sometimes he can trick people into thinking he's a little lackadaisical on the ice because he's not running around chasing pucks down, but this is because he doesn't have the skating to be doing that, and he's smart enough to understand this so he uses perfect positioning and reads to let the puck come to him instead. I suppose the reason people don't talk about him so much here is that he doesn't seem like such a Benning-style pick. Benning's emphasis has been on speed and skill. Aside from the skating issues, Sillinger's puck skills and playmaking ability don't exactly stand out either. It's his two-way play, pro-style game and intangibles that make him such a special prospect. Offensively his best attributes are his shot, his penchant to drive the puck into the middle of the ice, and his commitment and ability to wreck havoc in front of the opposing goalie - create screens, shovel garbage and tip pucks. I've said it many times before but I see a ton of Joe Pavelski in him. Reminds me a lot of Brendan Gaunce honestly. Really smart, but doesn't have the highest pace of play. I think Sillinger obviously has higher offensive upside though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 38 minutes ago, Devron44 said: How come no one talks about Cole Sillinger? What’s wrong with him? His defensive awareness is pretty bad. Lacks the urgency in back checks and fails to pickup his man in the D zone relatively often. His offensive instincts are great tho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, HockeyHarry said: So are Canucks going to pick Aito Iguchi? i would say “Yes” that they should get this kid with a late pick. The Kid is super skilled, small but he would be a Huge fan favorite. A must see at Abby AHL valley team. I remember watching this kid years ago with the Pavel Barber videos. Come on...Jimbo pick this Kid!!! Youtube this kid...hes a great watch Aito Iguchi Would be a highly entertaining story for Abby to have this kid, but even Palmu and Manukyan look big by comparison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 46 minutes ago, Devron44 said: How come no one talks about Cole Sillinger? What’s wrong with him? Whenever I see the name, I think of Cole Cassels. I'm sure, though, that Sillinger will become the much better player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeyHarry Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, nergish said: Would be a highly entertaining story for Abby to have this kid, but even Palmu and Manukyan look big by comparison. Aito Iguchi would sell tons of Abby tickets. So i think pickin him 6th or 7th rnd would be worth it. Go Abby Go Edited July 10, 2021 by HockeyHarry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, HKSR said: His defensive awareness is pretty bad. Lacks the urgency in back checks and fails to pickup his man in the D zone relatively often. His offensive instincts are great tho. Hmm contradictory replies to a certain degree. Got an in-depth reponse that also stated he Is a responsible player. Wonder which one it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighOnHockey Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Sp3nny said: Reminds me a lot of Brendan Gaunce honestly. Really smart, but doesn't have the highest pace of play. I think Sillinger obviously has higher offensive upside though. The pace is a fair criticism. But as far as I can tell it's not a processing issue, i.e. ability to read and react, but rather a strategic decision to allow the play to develop rather than pushing the pace. To me the only thing this tells us with much certainty is he's probably not going to be an offensive play-driver at higher levels, but more of a complimentary piece, although as I've put it before, I do think he drives play from a 200-foot perspective, disrupting transitions and creating turnovers. But the pace is kind of similar to what I said about Johnson and his penchant to take risks offensively - it works at the level he is at, but we'll just have to see how well he adapts to higher levels. Sillinger's pace of play has worked wonderfully for him thus far, but we shall see how well he keeps up at higher levels. I do not envy the real NHL scouts who have to try to figure this $&!# out before the draft. But Sillinger just strikes me as the kind of player with the smarts, drive and determination to adapt, figure $&!# out and do what it takes to succeed. It's what I've seen from his game in various different circumstances. He's second generation so he knows what it takes, and word going around is he's a monster in the gym. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HKSR Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, Devron44 said: Hmm contradictory replies to a certain degree. Got an in-depth reponse that also stated he Is a responsible player. Wonder which one it is He's not there yet with a 200ft game. You can read all of the professional scouting reports on him. I've watched him play and he's fantastic in the offensive zone, but definitely looks a bit lost in the defensive end. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sp3nny Posted July 10, 2021 Share Posted July 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, HighOnHockey said: The pace is a fair criticism. But as far as I can tell it's not a processing issue, i.e. ability to read and react, but rather a strategic decision to allow the play to develop rather than pushing the pace. To me the only thing this tells us with much certainty is he's probably not going to be an offensive play-driver at higher levels, but more of a complimentary piece, although as I've put it before, I do think he drives play from a 200-foot perspective, disrupting transitions and creating turnovers. But the pace is kind of similar to what I said about Johnson and his penchant to take risks offensively - it works at the level he is at, but we'll just have to see how well he adapts to higher levels. Sillinger's pace of play has worked wonderfully for him thus far, but we shall see how well he keeps up at higher levels. I do not envy the real NHL scouts who have to try to figure this $&!# out before the draft. But Sillinger just strikes me as the kind of player with the smarts, drive and determination to adapt, figure $&!# out and do what it takes to succeed. It's what I've seen from his game in various different circumstances. He's second generation so he knows what it takes, and word going around is he's a monster in the gym. I just remember with Gaunce, his skating was similarly questioned. He had decent top end speed, but took him a bit to get there. He was very smart positionally, but was often questioned about kinda standing still and waiting for the play to come to him. I believe he was even quoted about not going all out as it wastes energy that could be saved for when it's important. I think he and Sillinger share some of the same traits, but Sillinger is definitely a higher end prospect of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nucker 67 Posted July 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted July 10, 2021 The last few Drafts, the Canucks got lucky, having Pettersson, Hughes and Podkolzin fall into their hands. Which player will that be the blessing in disguise this time? I'm now thinking EDVINSSON could be that player. He's still ranked very high on some lists, but has dropped in others (because of a few recent games) and it's possible GMs pass on him to get McTavish, Lysell or Johnson or even take Ceulemans ahead. I suspect Wallstedt will go early as well. It should be about the long term. Can they develop Edvinsson into a high end top pairing defender? He's already got the size and skating for sure Then it might be worth it. D wins championships. 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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