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Just now, Junkyard Dog said:

Scouts disagree. Most reports seen him as more of an offensive D and see the need for him to improve defensively.

 

 

This one compared him to Jake Bean.

 

 

Maybe I'm wrong but I've read some scouting reports that said Ceulemans was at least satisfactory. If Jake Bean is the comparison (I'll just go with it) then I've got say he put up 48 points in the AHL last year. Could Jett Woo do that? Woo is good, I like him but he's a shutdown guy. I think fans need to accept that we may need to pick a guy off the board if management wills it. What if Benning had picked Larkin over Virtanen in 2014? It would make a big difference  

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1 minute ago, morrissex95 said:

Maybe I'm wrong but I've read some scouting reports that said Ceulemans was at least satisfactory. If Jake Bean is the comparison (I'll just go with it) then I've got say he put up 48 points in the AHL last year. Could Jett Woo do that? Woo is good, I like him but he's a shutdown guy. I think fans need to accept that we may need to pick a guy off the board if management wills it. What if Benning had picked Larkin over Virtanen in 2014? It would make a big difference  

Woo is more of a physical defenseman with above average skill-set offensively. Maybe Bieksa-like in style but I wouldn't say potential. He probably won't handle the puck like a grenade but he probably won't make slick offensive plays either.

 

Cuelemans more of a dynamic offensive player. He's a great skater with a great shot. Good puck mover but not as good as say Clarke or Hughes and he seems to have more issues defensively than them. Not sure I would spend a top 10 pick on him compared to the others in that range.

 

I don't put too much flak in who we could of drafted since we would have missed out on the players we drafted later on like Hughes/Hoglander/Petey.

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Ceulemans did have a good U18s, so he will probably rise in draft rankings, and teams' draft boards. I'm just a bit upset at the prospect of getting Ceulemans when we could have gotten Clarke. 

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8 minutes ago, Nave said:

Ceulemans did have a good U18s, so he will probably rise in draft rankings, and teams' draft boards. I'm just a bit upset at the prospect of getting Ceulemans when we could have gotten Clarke. 

I'd pass on Cuelemans just because we have dynamic offensive D. Hughes/Clarke obvious exceptions because they are higher on my board and have better potential.

 

Rather draft Edvinsson than Cuelemans. Rather draft a top forward over Edvinsson personally though I'd be fine either way.

 

Have to hope Guenther/Eklund fall. Doubt Beniers will. Lysell/Johnson wouldn't be bad too.

 

We can definitely use more dynamic offensive forwards. Only really got Petey.

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By time Battman is done with us we will be selecting outside of top ten.

Mason McTavish could be a solid pick.

 

He has good blood lines. 

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5 hours ago, Junkyard Dog said:

I'd pass on Cuelemans just because we have dynamic offensive D. Hughes/Clarke obvious exceptions because they are higher on my board and have better potential.

 

Rather draft Edvinsson than Cuelemans. Rather draft a top forward over Edvinsson personally though I'd be fine either way.

 

Have to hope Guenther/Eklund fall. Doubt Beniers will. Lysell/Johnson wouldn't be bad too.

 

We can definitely use more dynamic offensive forwards. Only really got Petey.

Unfortunately the most dynamic forwards in this draft all come with significant risk factor. Eklund will be gone top five, but then Johnson or Lysell would be the next best bets. Lysell's size and ability to win battles at the pro level are the main concern, but I also have minor concerns about his pro-level decision-making. When he was younger, he used to be bad for forcing plays and relying on his skill to do too much himself; the SHL has humbled him, and he's made major strides in that regard, but sometimes now it feels like he's not quite sure what he's supposed to do instead.

 

The issues with Johnson are well documented. I think sometimes they are blown out of proportion, but he's definitely going to need some serious coaching at the pro level. Even if he does pan out, it's probably going to be a long development process to iron out the wrinkles. But he needs to do a lot of filling out still anyway, so yeah... if he's our guy, expect a long development curve and a lot of fans to start saying he's a flop after two years.

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Spirited comeback last night pushes us down to picking 7th overall with 2 games to go. Likely picking 9th overall when all said and done! Hopefully this is our year to finally win a lottery! I just don’t see any of the top 4 dmen making it to 9th and any other dman at that spot is a reach and isn’t BPA. I feel like we’d look back on it like Juolevi over Tkachuk. So BPA forward who we got? I’ll still hold out hope for the high end skill guys like Johnson and Eklund.

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Seems like a  lot of you have gathered a lot of good information on these players. 
 

Can someone provide a summary  for me of the top 50 players to look into? 
 

How many players are considered generational ? Elite ?


Who are the top 15 forwards and 15 defencemen?

 

 

Wasn’t Aatu rattie projected  as the number one overall pick this year? 
 

cheers

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Question is: What management group will be making the 1st pick?

 

Current and future NHL players:

 

FORWARDS (22 and under) - Pettersson, Hoglander, Lind, Gadjovich, Focht, Lockwood, Podkolzin

 

DEFENCE (22 and under) - Hughes, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo, Jurmo

 

I think the Canucks need a D with that 1st pick, but only if Power, Clarke, Hughes, Edvinsson or Lambos is available.

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I think people will actually be shocked this year with how many picks get moved down this year.

 

I think Seattle will end up with 4th and look to move down. I could see vancouver taking advantage of that to move up and steal Hughes from NJD.

 

Seattle is going to want to show something in their first year. for that they will need an nhl player but they will want some that are young with offensive plus side. I think the player that fits that mold who vancouver could trade would be Juolevi. so I think Vancouver could trade something like:

 

To Van:

4th overall + Wink Wink Deal to take Brayden Holtby at the expansion draft 

 

To Seattle:

Van 1st + Oli Juolevi 

 

Canucks Draft Hughes. 

 

It has been a weird year. Scouts have not been able to watch many players play hockey so they know that "their guy" will likely fall. There will be a lot of movement. 

 

along with signing hughes Canucks fire Benning and Green. 

 

With no Benning around the New GM will look to make his stamp on the team and  move out some older pieces. 

 

First thing it was reported a while ago that lots of teams were interested in Beagle. I think the new GM would move him out for money. 

2nd thing I think Virtanen and ferland will be off the books. 

The new Gm will likely want to keep Hughes and Pettersson here long term so i expect a decently high contract number for both... maybe 8 mil each. 

holtby will be off the books

Likely buy out Eriksson

With all these moves the GM will have some money to sign pretty big player in free agency. I think that player will be RNH.

I think the New GM will also go after Nikita Gusev to help Podkozin come in. I could also see them getting Grigorenko as well. 

Edler comes back with a 1 year 1 mil to finish things in van.

sign a decent back up 

 

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

Gusev RNH Podkolzin

Gadjovich grigorenko Macewen

 

 

Hughes Hamonic

Edler Schmidt

Rathbone Chatfield 

 

Demko 

Back up 

 

just my fantasy approach 

 

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1 hour ago, NUCKER67 said:

Question is: What management group will be making the 1st pick?

 

Current and future NHL players:

 

FORWARDS (22 and under) - Pettersson, Hoglander, Lind, Gadjovich, Focht, Lockwood, Podkolzin

 

DEFENCE (22 and under) - Hughes, Juolevi, Rathbone, Woo, Jurmo

 

I think the Canucks need a D with that 1st pick, but only if Power, Clarke, Hughes, Edvinsson or Lambos is available.

Defense should be our priority this draft we have 5 long term almost sure fire options for top 6 forwards (Boeser, Horvat, Petey, Hoglander, Podkolzin)

 

On defense long term we only have Hughes and Schmidt (29 years old), with the possibility of Rathbone and Juolevi becoming top 4. 

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9 minutes ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said:

I think people will actually be shocked this year with how many picks get moved down this year.

 

I think Seattle will end up with 4th and look to move down. I could see vancouver taking advantage of that to move up and steal Hughes from NJD.

 

Seattle is going to want to show something in their first year. for that they will need an nhl player but they will want some that are young with offensive plus side. I think the player that fits that mold who vancouver could trade would be Juolevi. so I think Vancouver could trade something like:

 

To Van:

4th overall + Wink Wink Deal to take Brayden Holtby at the expansion draft 

 

To Seattle:

Van 1st + Oli Juolevi 

 

Canucks Draft Hughes. 

 

It has been a weird year. Scouts have not been able to watch many players play hockey so they know that "their guy" will likely fall. There will be a lot of movement. 

 

along with signing hughes Canucks fire Benning and Green. 

 

With no Benning around the New GM will look to make his stamp on the team and  move out some older pieces. 

 

First thing it was reported a while ago that lots of teams were interested in Beagle. I think the new GM would move him out for money. 

2nd thing I think Virtanen and ferland will be off the books. 

The new Gm will likely want to keep Hughes and Pettersson here long term so i expect a decently high contract number for both... maybe 8 mil each. 

holtby will be off the books

Likely buy out Eriksson

With all these moves the GM will have some money to sign pretty big player in free agency. I think that player will be RNH.

I think the New GM will also go after Nikita Gusev to help Podkozin come in. I could also see them getting Grigorenko as well. 

Edler comes back with a 1 year 1 mil to finish things in van.

sign a decent back up 

finally fill the bottom C role with a hard nosed C in Cedric Paquette. 

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Hoglander

Gusev Grigorenko Podkolzin

Gadjovich Paquette Macewen

 

 

Hughes Hamonic

Edler Schmidt

Rathbone Chatfield 

 

Demko 

Back up 

 

just my fantasy approach 

 

Huh, I didn't realize Luke is 6'2". If he's another Quinn clone, I think we'll have too many offense-minded powerplay specialists, but if his game is more defensive, I love that plan. We could at some point have: Q Hughes, L Hughes, Rathbone, Schmidt, Myers all playing together. That's got to be one of the most talented offensive D-corps in the league. 

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2 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

What do you want them to do? I’d assume anybody with any sort of injury or ailment is shut down for the year. They ice a forward group comprised of 50% NHL players and 50% tweeners/depth guys. At least two defenceman each night that are very wet behind the ears  

 

 

You think the players are just gonna try to lose? Have you ever played a sport?

 

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12 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

 

What is disturbing and, quite frankly, disappointing, is that much of the tank momentum is coming from members of our local media who should know better. This take, and others complaining that the team can't seem to lose when they need to, so obliterates the author's journalistic integrity, that these "observers" are now on my fast growing ignore list. 

 

And no amount of "tongue in cheek" defense or "click bait" rationale is going to take the stench away from the toxic stank that pervades much of what we read and hear in these parts.

 

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21 minutes ago, zimmy said:

What is disturbing and, quite frankly, disappointing, is that much of the tank momentum is coming from members of our local media who should know better. This take, and others complaining that the team can't seem to lose when they need to, so obliterates the author's journalistic integrity, that these "observers" are now on my fast growing ignore list. 

 

And no amount of "tongue in cheek" defense or "click bait" rationale is going to take the stench away from the toxic stank that pervades much of what we read and hear in these parts.

 

I hear you and agree - with clarification that these local media members should not be considered 'journalists' therefore holding them to any level of 'integrity' is probably much, much too high of an expectation for them sadly. 

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38 minutes ago, zimmy said:

What is disturbing and, quite frankly, disappointing, is that much of the tank momentum is coming from members of our local media who should know better. This take, and others complaining that the team can't seem to lose when they need to, so obliterates the author's journalistic integrity, that these "observers" are now on my fast growing ignore list. 

 

And no amount of "tongue in cheek" defense or "click bait" rationale is going to take the stench away from the toxic stank that pervades much of what we read and hear in these parts.

 

Yeah I’m sure Miller is thrilled to see people cheering for the team to lose. You can hear it in those supersonic F bombs he drops every game :lol:

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2 minutes ago, Sean Monahan said:

Yeah I’m sure Miller is thrilled to see people cheering for the team to lose. You can hear it in those supersonic F bombs he drops every game :lol:

I'm sure Miller cares about wins and losses but he likes  some good stats for his next contract too

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