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9 minutes ago, austy said:

Time for a kooky offseason thread.  As per the thread title. Is is possible to move Jake to defense?  Disclaimer, yes this is a terrible idea but its off season and I'm sure we can have some fun discussion around other players who could move around positions. 

Pros: Skating, Jake skates well, he is fast, wheeling out from the goal line seems to be once of his strengths. 

           Shot: good, powerful shot, has played the point of PP2 on occasion. 

           Strength: big strong dude, checks well. 

           complexity: I think Jake plays better with the game 'in front of him', he seems to get a bit bamboozled in the offensive zone, he doesnt seem to participate in the cycle and doesnt                 use his team mates that well on long shifts in the ozone, better on the rush.  NYR Brendan Smith who plays both positions says that D verses F "there is so many more moving                     parts when playing forward, knowing where to be at the right time." 

Cons: Backwards: Can Jake skate backwards? Who knows....probably. He does play competitive roller hockey which I understand is a bit like basketball in that players cycle around and                    play all positions.

           Complexity: is D harder than forward? While the sensible answer is yes...playing D would simplify some aspects of the game. Ie get the puck back, if your back is turned, get the                 puck  back, listen for instructions from either Demko or Edler, they will tell you what to do. 

           Sideways: Can Jake walk the line? never seen it, he might need to stay back after practice to learn that one. 

           One on One board/puck battles: rubbish, he gets walked a bit, we all know that. But for the sake of this thread I am going to blame him being paralyzed with indecision due to the complexity of being a forward being a defender would simplifly this aspect of the game IMO. 

 

Discussion: Players who changed from D to forward or vice versa. Brent Burns, Byfuglien, Howe are some of the big ones, didnt Burrows play D for one period back in 2010's?

Thoughts, criticisms? :) 

 

 

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lol first NHLer to not be able to skate backwards?

 

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14 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Burrows was very focused on playing defense-first.  

He also have good vision of the game.  

 

Virtanen seems to get tunnel vision at time, poor positioning, weak along the boards, etc... not a good recipe for a defenseman.  

 

12 minutes ago, khay said:

lol first NHLer to not be able to skate backwards?

 

yikes this is quickly turning into "Burrows....do we really need him?". 

re the vision. you are right, he lacks the IQ. But I think the blue line and the net create focal points that simplify this part of the game to an extent. 

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i had this debate with a buddy the other day.  Its a fun hypothetical.

 

he can skate, has great take away skills, great zone entries, shoots right.....can hit when he wants to....but i get the feeling theres a lot more "programming" involved to get a winger to play D....unlikely...but he does have a lot of the assets that a good d man should have.

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2 minutes ago, Darius said:

i had this debate with a buddy the other day.  Its a fun hypothetical.

 

he can skate, has great take away skills, great zone entries, shoots right.....can hit when he wants to....but i get the feeling theres a lot more "programming" involved to get a winger to play D....unlikely...but he does have a lot of the assets that a good d man should have.

this is more like it. :). what was big Buff like as foreward? I cant remember apart from him planting himself in front of Luongo. 

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44 minutes ago, austy said:

Time for a kooky offseason thread.  As per the thread title. Is is possible to move Jake to defense?  Disclaimer, yes this is a terrible idea but its off season and I'm sure we can have some fun discussion around other players who could move around positions. 

Pros: Skating, Jake skates well, he is fast, wheeling out from the goal line seems to be once of his strengths. 

           Shot: good, powerful shot, has played the point of PP2 on occasion. 

           Strength: big strong dude, checks well. 

           complexity: I think Jake plays better with the game 'in front of him', he seems to get a bit bamboozled in the offensive zone, he doesnt seem to participate in the cycle and doesnt                 use his team mates that well on long shifts in the ozone, better on the rush.  NYR Brendan Smith who plays both positions says that D verses F "there is so many more moving                     parts when playing forward, knowing where to be at the right time." 

Cons: Backwards: Can Jake skate backwards? Who knows....probably. He does play competitive roller hockey which I understand is a bit like basketball in that players cycle around and                    play all positions.

           Complexity: is D harder than forward? While the sensible answer is yes...playing D would simplify some aspects of the game. Ie get the puck back, if your back is turned, get the                 puck  back, listen for instructions from either Demko or Edler, they will tell you what to do. 

           Sideways: Can Jake walk the line? never seen it, he might need to stay back after practice to learn that one. 

           One on One board/puck battles: rubbish, he gets walked a bit, we all know that. But for the sake of this thread I am going to blame him being paralyzed with indecision due to the complexity of being a forward being a defender would simplifly this aspect of the game IMO. 

 

Discussion: Players who changed from D to forward or vice versa. Brent Burns, Byfuglien, Howe are some of the big ones, didnt Burrows play D for one period back in 2010's?

Thoughts, criticisms? :) 

 

 

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I would rather shift Hughes to a winger. I don't want one of our best players to have to get back to defend  instead of looki g for oppurtunities to score. 

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2 minutes ago, hlinkas wrister said:

I think I remember from the combine that Jake was the fastest skater going forwards and backwards that year. Jakes got some holes in his game but skating isn't one of them.

cool, put backwards skating into the pros list, now anyone got a 'sideways' take?

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1 hour ago, austy said:

 

yikes this is quickly turning into "Burrows....do we really need him?". 

re the vision. you are right, he lacks the IQ. But I think the blue line and the net create focal points that simplify this part of the game to an extent. 

Same could be said for a forward too.

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1 hour ago, austy said:

 

yikes this is quickly turning into "Burrows....do we really need him?". 

re the vision. you are right, he lacks the IQ. But I think the blue line and the net create focal points that simplify this part of the game to an extent. 

Speaking of Burrows, does anyone remember the thread from back in the day about moving Burrows to defence to be our PMD? Pretty much this exact post.

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