[Discussion] Clearing cash... what will it cost?

[Phat Fingers]

So,

 

Been off getting stuff done before the snow flies.  Reading some of the posts lately, I clearly haven't missed much. 

 

So hopefully the madness of FA is wearing off and we can sit back, take stock and see what is left do get done to get a full roster on the ice next season.  

 

2 things left Jake and Adam need deals.  For that to happen, JB needs to clear cap space.  Not a ton, but some.  

 

IMO we will have a bit of pain to make this happen.  Sutter, Beagle, Rousell or Eriksson.  

 

In this market I don't see Eriksson moving without at least a 2nd rounder included.  That is too determental to the club future, but losing Sutter and a 4th for a AHLer or smaller cap dump player is doable.  

 

Ditto for Rousell and Beagle.  All 3 are responsible vets, defensive stalwarts and great PKers.  That 2 are solid face off guys can only help.

 

The chaos of the covid economy is doing more to recalibrate the power rankings than almost any other single event in recent memories, more than expansion.  

 

So who needs a veteran PKer, faceoff specialist and leader in the room on 1 year deals?  Would Sutter waive to go to Ottawa?  

 

Luckily JB can sign 1 of JV or Adam and likely be right at the cap or just over, both are RFA's and I don't see either being huge offersheet risks atm.  

 

is JB more lucky than good? Who cares as long as we get under the cap and retain JV and Adam.  I'd Lievo can be resigned too, then I would be happy going into next season with that lineup.  

 

This season is a good stress test for next offseason.  The economic chaos will be a full roar next year, hopefully our southern neighbors can stabilize, but in all likelyhood they could just as easily be in open conflict with themselves.  

 

Retaining Hughes and Pettersson is vastly more important than retaining Toffoli.  I see it happening, but work needs to be done now, to see that nothing messes it up.  JB has lost everyone's confidence atm, no need to mess up now and tie up anymore money past next season other than Adam and Jake.  

 

While I did think Jake had a poor playoffs, it was hardly a normal year for anyone.  Jake was up to 18 goals while playing 3/4 of the year on the 3rd line, mainly.  It isn't hard to see him potting the same goal totals or higher with better linemates, maybe he can actually pass as he would have other scorers to play with.  

 

In theory if JV maintained last seasons GPG rate we would have a 25g second line winger next season.  Not earth shattering, but he is affordable, we have some great young forward prospects expected to start making roster appearances this season with Lind and next year with Hogs and Podz.  

 

Did our GM do enough to avoid any damage to the roster... no, but he seems to have a lucky horseshoe somewhere as his defence is looking stronger with Schmidt than it did with Tanev and Stecher.  

 

Based purely on his advanced stats Schmidt is a major improvement to the top pairing right side.  

 

Losing Toffoli is a body blow.  Somehow I picture JB having a Jerry Maguire moment trying to save his client list juggling 10 calls at once, with Toffoli and his agent getting lost in the shuffle.  

While JB did get lucky somewhat with this, you have to be lucky to be good, losing Toffoli is a serious gaffe and likely used up his last get out of jail card with Ownership.  

 

Now we have no Toffoli and JV is our best 2nd line option provided we can lose another contract and get Adam and Jake signed.  

 

Atm that is a big downgrade on the right side at forward, but our right side on Defence is stronger IMO.  

 

The money between Tanev and Stecher is exactly the same as Schmidt is making, yet Schmidt is clearly the best player of the 3.  Wash including the 3rd.  This allows young players a shot at the bottom pairing with Benn as a safety net.  

 

What is interesting is the potential of a Hughes Schmidt top pairing.  This pairing will be improved over last year where Tanev actually lowered Hughes overall numbers than added.  If anything Schmidt will help Hughes hit another level.  

 

This is the dream scenario as a long time nucks fan.  How it came together is hilarious and I think that the Hockey Gods have a soft spot for old Jimbo.  

 

So we have to move out 2 to 3 mil in salary and sign 2 RFA's. That's it.  Add Lievo for depth and cheap insurance against Jake.  

 

Honestly think the addition of Schmidt for equal money to Stecher and Tanev combined is an improvement, that is going to offset by losing Toffoli from the mix, minor overall downgrade.  

 

Getting Holtby an Demko for less over all than Markstrom is at least a wash, maybe due to cap a slight uptick.  

 

Overall I do expect this team to improve because all our key players are on an upward trajectory.  

 

Losing depth on defence does hurt, but this is where JB has focused a ton of effort to address thru drafting and development.  

 

Bottom pairing young d men with potential top 4 futures we have, but we will be very weak when injuries hit the right side unless one of Rafferty, Brisbios or Chatfield step up.  Doubt Woo will see much NHL ice this year, nor should he.  

 

Shame about Toffoli, but JV, as polarizing as he can be, has a real shot to score 25 goals on the second line.  Bo and JT would be ideal linemates as they will be riding Jake until he gets better.  

 

I was happy JB got Toffoli and it is a massive gaffe, that at any other time, should have gotten JB axed.  But Schmidt....

 

Still, our forwards weren't our weakness, RHD was.  That had been addressed and I would have easily traded Madden, Schaller, a 2nd and 3rd for Schmidt any day.  

 

 

Side note

According to SDP (Steve Dangles Podcast) Marky and Chris initially were pissed when the Canucks offered them the same deals Calgary gave them.  When they didn't get better money on the open market, due to ego, rather than come back to Vancouver and say, 'you did give me a fair offer after all.' they signed in Cow Town.  

 

No biggy, love the players and what they did here, but not part of the future.  Ultimately both did us and the club a favour by leaving.  1.7m saved by Holtby over Marky made getting Schmidt possible. 

 

 

[Lazurus]

Time, it will cost time and opportunities

 

Most teams are cutting back, the Canucks are at this time the 5th highest payroll

 

Unless fans are more forgiving then the cost will be too high if this is done too fast and too expensive to do buyouts at this time

 

They might be able to trade a bad contract for a bad contract IF the players are willing to waive their clauses, that is the crunch, we can speculate all we want for what would be good for Vancouver but it has to be good for the other team and the player

 

IMO they eat this season, save as much cap space as possible and at the TDL retain and move, of if there is a Canadian division any player movements will require 2 weeks isolation and do any buyouts just before the expansion draft if they can, waive for the purposes of buy out if necessary.

 

I find it hard to believe they haven't planned for a season like this, covid makes it worse but they were so far over the cap with all these clause contracts even doing this for next year is a year too long.

 

It is going to be an interesting year, due to a lack of depth and a condensed schedule we may see Holander, Tryamkin and Podkozin all in the line up, maybe even Jurmo, it won't hurt them and it may even speed up their development, it hasn't hurt most rookies.

Edited October 15, 2020 by Lazurus

[86Viking]

Because we got Schmidt for only a 3rd, I would be willing to give up assets to clear cap space...which would also free up $ we can spend on current FA's or put us in a good position to get a solid asset from Tampa Bay.

 

Higher picks and prospects will have to be on the table, they only get included if LE is getting moved. But there should be a deal or deals to be made, we just have to say good bye to some younger players or higher picks. It would suck to do but if clears cap space to allow us too improve, PLUS if we can do that soon we can then recoup something good back from Tampa like Cernak/Foote or 1st round pick for taking on 1 of their cap dump players.

 

I am 100% in for moving out dead weight, LE being the toughest due to the 6m cap hit, even tho the salary is 5m combined over 2 years. For me Ottawa is the logical target for LE. I would even take back Anisimov in a deal if they wanted to move salary out.

 

A team with cap room should either do the god forsaken worst thing and start offer sheeting Tampa players OR say we will take player X, Y or Zed but we want Cernak/Foote/other prospect/2021 1st round pick included

[Patel Bure]

3 hours ago, Phat Fingers said:

So,

 

Been off getting stuff done before the snow flies.  Reading some of the posts lately, I clearly haven't missed much. 

 

So hopefully the madness of FA is wearing off and we can sit back, take stock and see what is left do get done to get a full roster on the ice next season.  

 

2 things left Jake and Adam need deals.  For that to happen, JB needs to clear cap space.  Not a ton, but some.  

 

IMO we will have a bit of pain to make this happen.  Sutter, Beagle, Rousell or Eriksson.  

 

In this market I don't see Eriksson moving without at least a 2nd rounder included.  That is too determental to the club future, but losing Sutter and a 4th for a AHLer or smaller cap dump player is doable.  

 

Ditto for Rousell and Beagle.  All 3 are responsible vets, defensive stalwarts and great PKers.  That 2 are solid face off guys can only help.

 

The chaos of the covid economy is doing more to recalibrate the power rankings than almost any other single event in recent memories, more than expansion.  

 

So who needs a veteran PKer, faceoff specialist and leader in the room on 1 year deals?  Would Sutter waive to go to Ottawa?  

 

Luckily JB can sign 1 of JV or Adam and likely be right at the cap or just over, both are RFA's and I don't see either being huge offersheet risks atm.  

 

is JB more lucky than good? Who cares as long as we get under the cap and retain JV and Adam.  I'd Lievo can be resigned too, then I would be happy going into next season with that lineup.  

 

This season is a good stress test for next offseason.  The economic chaos will be a full roar next year, hopefully our southern neighbors can stabilize, but in all likelyhood they could just as easily be in open conflict with themselves.  

 

Retaining Hughes and Pettersson is vastly more important than retaining Toffoli.  I see it happening, but work needs to be done now, to see that nothing messes it up.  JB has lost everyone's confidence atm, no need to mess up now and tie up anymore money past next season other than Adam and Jake.  

 

While I did think Jake had a poor playoffs, it was hardly a normal year for anyone.  Jake was up to 18 goals while playing 3/4 of the year on the 3rd line, mainly.  It isn't hard to see him potting the same goal totals or higher with better linemates, maybe he can actually pass as he would have other scorers to play with.  

 

In theory if JV maintained last seasons GPG rate we would have a 25g second line winger next season.  Not earth shattering, but he is affordable, we have some great young forward prospects expected to start making roster appearances this season with Lind and next year with Hogs and Podz.  

 

Did our GM do enough to avoid any damage to the roster... no, but he seems to have a lucky horseshoe somewhere as his defence is looking stronger with Schmidt than it did with Tanev and Stecher.  

 

Based purely on his advanced stats Schmidt is a major improvement to the top pairing right side.  

 

Losing Toffoli is a body blow.  Somehow I picture JB having a Jerry Maguire moment trying to save his client list juggling 10 calls at once, with Toffoli and his agent getting lost in the shuffle.  

While JB did get lucky somewhat with this, you have to be lucky to be good, losing Toffoli is a serious gaffe and likely used up his last get out of jail card with Ownership.  

 

Now we have no Toffoli and JV is our best 2nd line option provided we can lose another contract and get Adam and Jake signed.  

 

Atm that is a big downgrade on the right side at forward, but our right side on Defence is stronger IMO.  

 

The money between Tanev and Stecher is exactly the same as Schmidt is making, yet Schmidt is clearly the best player of the 3.  Wash including the 3rd.  This allows young players a shot at the bottom pairing with Benn as a safety net.  

 

What is interesting is the potential of a Hughes Schmidt top pairing.  This pairing will be improved over last year where Tanev actually lowered Hughes overall numbers than added.  If anything Schmidt will help Hughes hit another level.  

 

This is the dream scenario as a long time nucks fan.  How it came together is hilarious and I think that the Hockey Gods have a soft spot for old Jimbo.  

 

So we have to move out 2 to 3 mil in salary and sign 2 RFA's. That's it.  Add Lievo for depth and cheap insurance against Jake.  

 

Honestly think the addition of Schmidt for equal money to Stecher and Tanev combined is an improvement, that is going to offset by losing Toffoli from the mix, minor overall downgrade.  

 

Getting Holtby an Demko for less over all than Markstrom is at least a wash, maybe due to cap a slight uptick.  

 

Overall I do expect this team to improve because all our key players are on an upward trajectory.  

 

Losing depth on defence does hurt, but this is where JB has focused a ton of effort to address thru drafting and development.  

 

Bottom pairing young d men with potential top 4 futures we have, but we will be very weak when injuries hit the right side unless one of Rafferty, Brisbios or Chatfield step up.  Doubt Woo will see much NHL ice this year, nor should he.  

 

Shame about Toffoli, but JV, as polarizing as he can be, has a real shot to score 25 goals on the second line.  Bo and JT would be ideal linemates as they will be riding Jake until he gets better.  

 

I was happy JB got Toffoli and it is a massive gaffe, that at any other time, should have gotten JB axed.  But Schmidt....

 

Still, our forwards weren't our weakness, RHD was.  That had been addressed and I would have easily traded Madden, Schaller, a 2nd and 3rd for Schmidt any day.  

 

 

Side note

According to SDP (Steve Dangles Podcast) Marky and Chris initially were pissed when the Canucks offered them the same deals Calgary gave them.  When they didn't get better money on the open market, due to ego, rather than come back to Vancouver and say, 'you did give me a fair offer after all.' they signed in Cow Town.  

 

No biggy, love the players and what they did here, but not part of the future.  Ultimately both did us and the club a favour by leaving.  1.7m saved by Holtby over Marky made getting Schmidt possible. 

 

 

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

Edited October 15, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[qwijibo]

21 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

Cap compliant “right now”. Except they have $2m of cap space and still have to sign Virtanen and Guadette.  
On top of that they only have 6 defencemen signed.
 

There’s no guarantee Ferland will be on LTIR. Even if he is LTIR isn’t free cap space.  It comes with issues that restrict  moves the team can make (like calling up players) 

 

Vancouver in all likelihood will need to try to make a deal to move out done cap.  If they do it’s going to cost them. 

 

 

[Coconuts]

33 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

I agree that Marky was likely never coming back, not without expansion protection which he was never going to get here. Tanev wasn't likely to get term here, so him leaving wasn't a huge surprise. With Tanev and Stecher leaving, Tofu was a luxury because the limited cap space we had needed to be put towards replacing at least one of those bodies. Had the cap gone up as per usual he'd likely be here, but that didn't happen. 

 

Not sure Podz will step in as a top six guy, I think he'll have to supplant Jake, but I don't doubt that he'll eventually be top six. 

 

I disagree about the sweeteners bit though, we're currently cap compliant with roughly 2m worth of cap space. But that's without Jake or Gaudette, and Jake alone will likely come in at a minimum of 2.5m. We also need another D to replace Stecher, unless they decide to run with Rafferty. But even then, we need space for Gaudette, Virtanen, and Rafferty, plus whoever our #7 guy ends up being. Something has to give capwise. 

 

Ferland is no guarantee, as unlikely as it seems there is the possibility he's cleared to play, which would mean we'd need cap space available for him. JB can't count on not needing to have that cap space available. 

 

I also see Schmidt as a Tanev replacement, not an Edler replacement. It's widely reported that's he's very comfortable on the right, and he played the right side for one of the top teams in the league. LD's are much easier to find, and I figure Edler's around for a couple more seasons. 

Edited October 15, 2020 by Coconuts

[NewbieCanuckFan]

34 minutes ago, DarkIndianRises said:

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

Three million in real dollars owed in his final year.  Nobody will want a 36 year old 4th line winger making that cash.  Staal still cost the Rags a 2nd round pick & he's several years younger.

Edited October 15, 2020 by NewbieCanuckFan

[JM_]

45 minutes ago, qwijibo said:

Cap compliant “right now”. Except they have $2m of cap space and still have to sign Virtanen and Guadette.  
On top of that they only have 6 defencemen signed.
 

There’s no guarantee Ferland will be on LTIR. Even if he is LTIR isn’t free cap space.  It comes with issues that restrict  moves the team can make (like calling up players) 

 

Vancouver in all likelihood will need to try to make a deal to move out done cap.  If they do it’s going to cost them. 

 

 

thats not the case - Juolevi, Rafferty, Sautner, Briesbois, Chatfield are all AHL contract guys that could see NHL time this year. 

[J.I.A.H.N]

We always knew this coming year was our problem year and after which, we would clear enough cap to be compliant with contracts expiring. My thought is to take this year and lower our expectations. And move 1 contract (Baertschi), which would be the lesser cost, IMO.

 

The cost to move Baertschi will be a 2nd or 1 of our top 5 prospects..........Pods, Hogs, Lind, Rathbone, or DiPietro. To me the first 4 are untouchable, so it is DiPietro or a 2nd.

Which honestly is not big of deal, either way..

 

Next year, we will be right up against it, but IMO, we will be able to stay within the Cap, with Pettersson, Demko and Hughes, taking short term, bridge deals. I see Barzal setting the line for each of them, (Somewhere in the 7 to 8 million range, which will be quite obtainable.

 

Personally, I think with Calgary, Vegas, Edmonton all improving, we will be hard pressed to see a improvement in points, and will most probably see a step back, which CDC and the Canuck fan base should expect and not get too bent out about it.

 

The 1 thing that could change the outlook to a more positive position is Ferland and Eriksson, who both could retire, or be forced out.......that is a 9,5 Million dollar, unscheduled release of funds, but which is more wishful thinking that anything.

 

All and all, I think the situation is very manageable from here in. Not worried at all.

 

 

[Ballisticsports.]

1 hour ago, DarkIndianRises said:

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

Yes, sweeteners are sour

Giving high end picks or prospects for getting rid of players is long term pain for only short term gain

Getting rid of LE and others would be nice, but we signed them and overpaid them to bring them here

They may not be worth their contracts but they can play, we'll have to eat it

Time to put Baer back in the line up maybe (see if he becomes tradeable or just let the term run out)

Taking a contract on at the same pay as Edler shouldn't have been hard to find , when teams need to shed money and think of the expansion themselves

[mll]

Detroit now the only team willing to take cap dumps for futures and draft picks - they can increase their asking price.  Ottawa by signing Dadonov signals that they are looking to take the next step and are unlikely to want cap dumps.

[JM_]

2 minutes ago, mll said:

Detroit now the only team willing to take cap dumps for futures and draft picks - they can increase their asking price.  Ottawa by signing Dadonov signals that they are looking to take the next step and are unlikely to want cap dumps.

yeah thats a good point. I would think Detroit could be a good landing spot for Baer or Benn if we get a RHD, but I wonder now if a move like that costs a 2nd round pick? 

[qwijibo]

2 hours ago, Robert Long said:

thats not the case - Juolevi, Rafferty, Sautner, Briesbois, Chatfield are all AHL contract guys that could see NHL time this year. 

Let me clarify.  Only 6 D signed that are factored into the current cap number 

[Patel Bure]

2 hours ago, ba;;isticsports said:

Yes, sweeteners are sour

Giving high end picks or prospects for getting rid of players is long term pain for only short term gain

Getting rid of LE and others would be nice, but we signed them and overpaid them to bring them here

They may not be worth their contracts but they can play, we'll have to eat it

Time to put Baer back in the line up maybe (see if he becomes tradeable or just let the term run out)

Taking a contract on at the same pay as Edler shouldn't have been hard to find , when teams need to shed money and think of the expansion themselves

Speaking of Baer, Benning went on record stating that Sven will be given a fair shot of making the team this coming season.  Although unlikely, you could see guys like Ferland or Roussel on the outside looking in if Baertschi out plays them.

[Patel Bure]

3 hours ago, qwijibo said:

Cap compliant “right now”. Except they have $2m of cap space and still have to sign Virtanen and Guadette.  
On top of that they only have 6 defencemen signed.
 

There’s no guarantee Ferland will be on LTIR. Even if he is LTIR isn’t free cap space.  It comes with issues that restrict  moves the team can make (like calling up players) 

 

Vancouver in all likelihood will need to try to make a deal to move out done cap.  If they do it’s going to cost them. 

 

 

Good points, but I think we will become cap compliant once 1, maybe 2, of those big contracts gets sent to the minors even after signing those contracts.

Edited October 15, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[Phat Fingers]

When does the club have to be bellow the cap?  

 

As I understand it, we can run for a period of time 10% over.  

 

Ownership is going to get pretty pissed paying for these mulligans.  

 

Hopefully Eriksson just ups and quits.  Not sure how he will like riding a bus thru Covid Land in the Rust Belt.  Maybe we could 'loan' both he and Baer to a European club ala the Blackhawks when they used a lopehole to clear cap during their peak.  

 

[mll]

2 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said:

When does the club have to be bellow the cap?  

 

As I understand it, we can run for a period of time 10% over.  

 

Ownership is going to get pretty pissed paying for these mulligans.  

 

Hopefully Eriksson just ups and quits.  Not sure how he will like riding a bus thru Covid Land in the Rust Belt.  Maybe we could 'loan' both he and Baer to a European club ala the Blackhawks when they used a lopehole to clear cap during their peak.  

 

By the start of the season.

 

That loophole was closed following the Huet loan to Europe.  A loan to any club outside of the NHL gets the same cap relief as a demotion to the AHL.

 

Baertschi doesn't even return to Europe in the off-season - he has an American wife and lives full time in North America.

[BigTramFan]

If we can sign Virtanen + Gaudette for a combined total of less than $4.44m, e.g. Virtanen is awarded $3m AAV and Gaudette is then signed for $1.4m AAV...then even if Ferland is not on LTIR we can ice a 22-man roster AND be cap compliant on the opening night. Here's how:

 

Demote these 6 players to the minors: Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Sutter, Benn, Rathbone

 

Bring these 5 players up to the Canucks: Hoglander, Michaelis, Juolevi, Rafferty, Sautner.

 

Here is the opening night roster:

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Virtanen

Hoglander Gaudette Ferland

Motte Beagle MacEwen

(Michaelis)

 

Hughes Schmidt

Edler Rafferty

Juolevi Myers

(Sautner)

 

Holtby, Demko

 

Shouldn't take long for the first vet to be placed on LTIR and we will have the cap relief to bring the demoted vets back up to the NHL. Or perhaps by then the young players will have taken the opportunity to show that they are good enough to stay in the lineup!

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23 hours ago, DarkIndianRises said:

My personal opinion is that Steve Dangles is full of monkey turd, and that the Canucks had no real intentions of bringing back Markstrom, Tanev, and Toffoli on those terms and cap hits.   Benning’s biggest priority was in finding a future Edler replacement (which he ultimately found in Schmidt).  Tanev was a warrior for us, but he is easily replaceable.   Demko looks like he’s almost as good as Markstrom right now, and probably won’t need much time to be at his level.   The Canucks’ RW is the exact same as it was at the start of last season (except MacEwen in Leivo out), with Podkolzin being one year closer to the biggs and one year being closer to being a top 6 forward for us.

 

The Canucks won’t need any sweeteners to get rid of players, nor should they be throwing away high end picks and prospects in order to do so.   The Canucks are cap compliant as of this writing, and a Ferland LTIR will likely give them even more of a buffer.

 

By next off season, all of Sutter, Edler, Pearson, Baertschi, Benn, and Spooner will be off the books.  One of Holtby or Myers will likely be claimed in the Expansion draft.  With one year left and only 2 million in real dollars owed, Eriksson will also be a very moveable contract a la Marc Staal style.

Cap compliant how so with JV and AD not signed You have a roster of Eriksson, Bartschi, Benn,

Ferland and Sautner (23 man roster) on it . to make room for them you have to bury at least 4 guys and have a 21 man roster to be cap compliant Ferland will start the season on the roster and said he was healthy 

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5 hours ago, BigTramFan said:

If we can sign Virtanen + Gaudette for a combined total of less than $4.44m, e.g. Virtanen is awarded $3m AAV and Gaudette is then signed for $1.4m AAV...then even if Ferland is not on LTIR we can ice a 22-man roster AND be cap compliant on the opening night. Here's how:

 

Demote these 6 players to the minors: Baertschi, Eriksson, Roussel, Sutter, Benn, Rathbone

 

Bring these 5 players up to the Canucks: Hoglander, Michaelis, Juolevi, Rafferty, Sautner.

 

Here is the opening night roster:

 

Miller Pettersson Boeser

Pearson Horvat Virtanen

Hoglander Gaudette Ferland

Motte Beagle MacEwen

(Michaelis)

 

Hughes Schmidt

Edler Rafferty

Juolevi Myers

(Sautner)

 

Holtby, Demko

 

Shouldn't take long for the first vet to be placed on LTIR and we will have the cap relief to bring the demoted vets back up to the NHL. Or perhaps by then the young players will have taken the opportunity to show that they are good enough to stay in the lineup!

Bury 6 NHL players in the minors? That’s your plan? 
 

How do you think the owners would feel about burying $17m of actual salary in the minors?  It’s pretty much a clear indicator that you have no respect for their money. 1 buried contract is an unfortunate situation. 6 is an admission that you have repeatedly made poor decisions and should be replaced immediately. 

 

How do you think the agents of those 6 NHL players will like that? Do you think they’d even consider recommending Vancouver as a destination to their other clients? 

Don’t even get me started on how the NHLPA would view it. 
 

 

It may work mathematically but its not a real world solution