Popular Post apollo Posted October 21, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 21, 2020 Also Bennings Plan Stanely Cup 2021 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 The back and forth was going good for a moment and crickets . Oh well, cant wait for the season to start and hoping to see a game live.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qwags Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 Kelly Sutherland is a terrible ref. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckylager Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 5 hours ago, apollo said: Also Bennings Plan Stanely Cup 2021 It never gets old. I appreciate you, Apollo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted October 22, 2020 Share Posted October 22, 2020 (edited) 12 hours ago, Alain Vigneault said: And yet guys you didn't list which were inherited from the old regime, such as Markstrom, Lack, and Hutton, all saw decent to significant time in the NHL with us. Only in hindsight was Benning left with nothing or 'no real good prospects'. At the time of Benning's hiring, he was left multiple highly-regarded prospects and pieces which included the likes of Jensen, Shinkaruk, Kassian, Cassels, Subban, Rodin, etc. Many fans had legitimate hopes for these players unlike prospects we had in earlier years like White, Ellington, Gendur, where we figured it would have been a long-shot for them to be NHLers. There's no question the prospect pool and development is set up better because we're starting to see more success in the mid rounds that we haven't seen really ever in the history of this team. With that said, after 6 years of being on the job, you would HOPE that your future is looking better because most rebuilds don't typically take the better part of 6 years to reach the stage that we're at (wildcard/playoff contender). I wouldn't say that's an amazing job at all. I would say that's a combination of learning from mistakes far too late and getting a great deal of leniency from an owner who historically hasn't persisted with his GMs for very often if the results weren't there. Sorry don't understand what your saying..None of these prospect were exciting a few had good junior careers but none of those guy were exciting to me at the time??? Kassian was one guy I liked he was tough with size but he aso played on stack Junior team.. Benning had very little, Markstrom just got good in last 2 yrs remember Markstrom would always let in 1 bad bad goal.... Benning worked to developed Markstrom into the goalie he is now...Ian Clark is awesome with the goalies ... Gillis and Nonis were awful,...Previous GM'S here were just terrible except Pat Quinn... 1. Pat Quinn 2 .Jim Benning...No questions asked.... Benning had nothing Twins were older not producing like they did Burrows and Kessler, Then Kessler wanted out right after Benning took over... You said 6 yrs is long time for rebuild????? What are you smoking...We had no prospect except Horvat????? Draft kids that are 18 some take 2-4 yrs to develop so 6 year is not a long time if you look at this team 6 years ago?? From bottom of league and no prospect from poor poor drafting with Gillis...Trading future away for playoff runs...Only 1 good playoff run.... Edited October 22, 2020 by wildcam 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 If they buyout Sutter, put Ferland on LTIR, then bury Loui + Baertschi, they'll have 5.7M in cap space with a 20 man roster (12 FWD, 6D, 2G). Theoretically enough to add a D, a FWD, and bring another guy up (or sign a depth guy). It doesn't seem like they are going to buyout Sutter, but I think they should. I know they'll carry a 1.166 cap hit (Sutter buy-out) onto next year, but Ryan Spooner's buy-out (1.033) is coming off the books. Plus Baertschi, Edler & Jordie Benn coming off the books (11.36M). Basically they have enough coming off next year that they can afford to divide Sutter's deal. Then you can add Travis Hamonic (lets say) and a decent forward. Or vice-versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: If they buyout Sutter, put Ferland on LTIR, then bury Loui + Baertschi, they'll have 5.7M in cap space with a 20 man roster (12 FWD, 6D, 2G). Theoretically enough to add a D, a FWD, and bring another guy up (or sign a depth guy). It doesn't seem like they are going to buyout Sutter, but I think they should. I know they'll carry a 1.166 cap hit (Sutter buy-out) onto next year, but Ryan Spooner's buy-out (1.033) is coming off the books. Plus Baertschi, Edler & Jordie Benn coming off the books (11.36M). Basically they have enough coming off next year that they can afford to divide Sutter's deal. Then you can add Travis Hamonic (lets say) and a decent forward. Or vice-versa. Why spread the pain and why rush now to create a small amount of space when next season we could use it better? And have more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Smashian Kassian said: If they buyout Sutter, put Ferland on LTIR, then bury Loui + Baertschi, they'll have 5.7M in cap space with a 20 man roster (12 FWD, 6D, 2G). Theoretically enough to add a D, a FWD, and bring another guy up (or sign a depth guy). It doesn't seem like they are going to buyout Sutter, but I think they should. I know they'll carry a 1.166 cap hit (Sutter buy-out) onto next year, but Ryan Spooner's buy-out (1.033) is coming off the books. Plus Baertschi, Edler & Jordie Benn coming off the books (11.36M). Basically they have enough coming off next year that they can afford to divide Sutter's deal. Then you can add Travis Hamonic (lets say) and a decent forward. Or vice-versa. This and then make a move on Cernak and Sergachev. The Canucks could offer sheet both of them for the max for a second pick and the lightning could only match 1 without being over the offseason cap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 9 hours ago, UKNuck96 said: Why spread the pain and why rush now to create a small amount of space when next season we could use it better? And have more Because we have a ton of cap space freeing up, cap space is at a premium right now & we could make our team better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred65 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 IMHO what's moving the needle as we speak is likely a lot more to do with Aquaman's finances. He can't afford to go the buy out route. No income and unless we haven't noticed US$80 annual expenditure, that's US$ 1.6 million + per week 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyster Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) The plan is always evolving and changing (besides draft and develop well). As of right now, the two year plan is to phase out all the bad contracts in our bottom 6 and free up some cap space. On defence it is to rebuild by inserting and further developing our farm guys we have drafted, signed and developed. The D core is Hughes, then Schmidt, then Meyers... Edler is gone once we have new young guys who are better, this will happen over the next two years, so whether they resign Edler on another 1 or 2 year deal or not remains to be seen. In net, they want to transition Demko from backup into our undisputed #1 starter (hence the 2 year deal for Holtby). After two years, there are going to be young offensive prospects that will be inserted into the line up and developed at the NHL level once all those bad bottom 6 untradeable contracts, and all the contracts for guys that aren't even playing (Luongo included), which are the worst contracts of all!! Also in two years think of were our core of Pettersson, Hughes, Demko, Horvat and Boeser will be, although the jury is still out on Boeser, not sure he will be able to live up a new contract based on what his qualifying offer will be. So, the next two years are major development and transition years, our real longer term window opens in year 3 from now. Edited October 24, 2020 by Tyster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Smashian Kassian said: Because we have a ton of cap space freeing up, cap space is at a premium right now & we could make our team better That ton of cap space will be used for contract re ups next season, and most likely bonus overages. adding extra in dead space will hurt us more, plus for the little you free up who are you bringing in that will make the squad better and only on a one year deal to not eat up needed space next season? rushing it now is the worst thing we can do. We rush it now we end up with a core that is at best a middling team as we never have the right players at the right stages. It’s two more years then the dead cap space is gone, the rebuild contracts are gone. we need to build with those dates in mind and trying to land a bigger fish now just because we can at the expense of the future is exactly what people moan about with our bottom 6. It’s ironic that people want shot of a lot off those contracts and then want to go out and do the same with another player but with additional buyout dead space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UKNuck96 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Wanless said: This and then make a move on Cernak and Sergachev. The Canucks could offer sheet both of them for the max for a second pick and the lightning could only match 1 without being over the offseason cap You need to have your own pick to offer sheet and it has to be available at the time you make it. So you cannot do two offer sheets for the same value of a 2nd round pick. they could offer sheet one, wait on the response then try again on the other. however an offer sheet isn’t some magical automatic thing, the player has to agree to sign it. They may choose not to for a variety of reasons, or they could easily o back to the GM and let them know they have had a sheet come in and tampa could package them up in a trade. just because you submit one doesn’t mean it will be successful 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 32 minutes ago, UKNuck96 said: That ton of cap space will be used for contract re ups next season, and most likely bonus overages. adding extra in dead space will hurt us more, plus for the little you free up who are you bringing in that will make the squad better and only on a one year deal to not eat up needed space next season? rushing it now is the worst thing we can do. We rush it now we end up with a core that is at best a middling team as we never have the right players at the right stages. It’s two more years then the dead cap space is gone, the rebuild contracts are gone. we need to build with those dates in mind and trying to land a bigger fish now just because we can at the expense of the future is exactly what people moan about with our bottom 6. It’s ironic that people want shot of a lot off those contracts and then want to go out and do the same with another player but with additional buyout dead space Have close to 30 million next year. Buying out Sutter makes his combined cap hit 3.6, so you save 1 Million overall, the benefit being 2.6M next year. Even if you assume Pettersson & Hughes both get 10M (which I doubt, probably will be bridge deals) you should still have enough space to re-sign Demko, Pearson & possibly add a half decent player. Then Eriksson, Holtby, Beagle, Roussel & Lu recapture will be off the books the following year (19M). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 2 hours ago, UKNuck96 said: You need to have your own pick to offer sheet and it has to be available at the time you make it. So you cannot do two offer sheets for the same value of a 2nd round pick. they could offer sheet one, wait on the response then try again on the other. however an offer sheet isn’t some magical automatic thing, the player has to agree to sign it. They may choose not to for a variety of reasons, or they could easily o back to the GM and let them know they have had a sheet come in and tampa could package them up in a trade. just because you submit one doesn’t mean it will be successful Offer sheet one then the other? And yes it isn't a sure thing by any means Just dreaming of getting Cernak to fill out the d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 47 minutes ago, Wanless said: Offer sheet one then the other? And yes it isn't a sure thing by any means Just dreaming of getting Cernak to fill out the d I say it is time to run with the youngsters and see what we have. I think we will be pleasantly surprised. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 (edited) Quote In signing RFA Jake Virtanen to a bridge deal this week, Vancouver has reached its roster and spending maximum. When the dust settled, a flat cap cost the Canucks a scoring winger (Tyler Toffoli), two solid right defencemen (Chris Tanev, Troy Stecher) and their regular-season MVP (Jacob Markstrom). GM Jim Benning did well patching holes with Nate Schmidt and Holtby. Yet being forced to plan for the expensive futures of Elias Pettersson and Quinn Hughes has temporarily set the club a half-step backwards. To be honest, we’re a bit surprised the club didn’t use a buyout option on Sven Baertschi ($3.37 million cap hit) to purchase some breathing room. Apparently Leafs media is still spinning the myth that the cap cost us our free agents. And apparently the Schmidt move was just patching a hole... Edited October 24, 2020 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 19 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Apparently Leafs media is still spinning the myth that the cap cost us our free agents. And apparently the Schmidt move was just patching a hole... Whoever published this report is out to lunch on the Schmidt note but they're absolutely correct in asserting that the cap prevented us from re-signing guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanless Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 14 minutes ago, Alain Vigneault said: Whoever published this report is out to lunch on the Schmidt note but they're absolutely correct in asserting that the cap prevented us from re-signing guys. That's a a no brainer. Also to note buying out baertschi would only give around 500,000 in savings but cost an extra 800,000 next year. That quote from the article looked like a commenter on Facebook trying to sound like a sports journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted October 24, 2020 Share Posted October 24, 2020 On 10/20/2020 at 2:54 PM, tan said: 3. 2022-2025 Finally No more bad contracts!!! Can add quality UFAs. You realize that the bad contracts are all 100% "quality ufa's" that Benning signed right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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