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[proposa] Baertschi + Benn + 2nd rounder to Detroit, plus sign Sami Vatanen or Travis Hamonic to a one year deal: 

 

If Detroit was willing to take on one year of Marc Staal at a 5.7 million cap hit, then surely, they could take on an extra $5,366,666 in cap (Baertschi + Benn) for another 2nd round pick right? 

 

https://www.capfriendly.com/teams/redwings:   Wings have over $15 million in cap space and only have Mantha left to sign (along with some jabronie named Timashov who will likely cost less than $1,000,000).  

 

The Canucks make the trade, and avail themselves to have $5,366,666-$1,501,878 = $3,864,788, which should be enough for the Canucks to sign a defensive-minded RHD to a one year (Sami Vatanen or Travis Hamonic).      

 

Then, perhaps at a later date, if Ferland goes on LTIR, the Canucks could use that LTIR money + find some other way to clear cap, to bring in a top 6 forward.   My top choice is Hoffman, with Athanasiou being my cheaper consolation prize.

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21 minutes ago, mll said:

Benning says here that he's not in that market of giving up picks to move money.   

 

I think with the Schmidt deal this may have shifted a bit. Giving up just a 3rd maybe opened the door to moving money for a 2021 2nd e.g. But the problem is that likely isn't enough to move Baer. 

 

I do wonder if Benn on waivers might get picked up by Ottawa, for free he's a nice get for them. 

 

 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think with the Schmidt deal this may have shifted a bit. Giving up just a 3rd maybe opened the door to moving money for a 2021 2nd e.g. But the problem is that likely isn't enough to move Baer. 

 

I do wonder if Benn on waivers might get picked up by Ottawa, for free he's a nice get for them. 

 

 

Don't think so.  Moving the 3rd was to get a player.  They have to continue building the prospect pool.  It's the only way to remain cap compliant - regularly bring in cheaper players as top players start earning more money.

 

A lot of this year's success was thanks to Markstrom.  Spending a 2nd round pick while not knowing if Demko/Holtby can repeat Markstrom's performance is risky.   Remember Colorado a few years back - they made the playoffs but their advanced stats were concerning.  Canucks are a bit in a similar situation and it might not be repeatable next year.  

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3 minutes ago, mll said:

Don't think so.  Moving the 3rd was to get a player.  They have to continue building the prospect pool.  It's the only way to remain cap compliant - regularly bring in cheaper players as top players start earning more money.

 

A lot of this year's success was thanks to Markstrom.  Spending a 2nd round pick while not knowing if Demko/Holtby can repeat Markstrom's performance is risky.   Remember Colorado a few years back - they made the playoffs but their advanced stats were concerning.  Canucks are a bit in a similar situation and it might not be repeatable next year.  

yeah thats a good point. We also don't know what trade possibilities may come up this TDL as well with expansion coming, we might be able to use picks for RFAs or players with term. 

 

We'll see about waivers, Benn is a guy that could help Ottawa and could be flipped for something if they miss the playoffs. 

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17 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

yeah thats a good point. We also don't know what trade possibilities may come up this TDL as well with expansion coming, we might be able to use picks for RFAs or players with term. 

 

We'll see about waivers, Benn is a guy that could help Ottawa and could be flipped for something if they miss the playoffs. 

There could also be opportunities next off-season - the financial situation of some teams could be even more dire.  Having a 2nd round pick could go towards acquiring a good young player.  I really don't see the appeal to use up the pick to enable the signing of veterans like Hamonic and Vatanen who would be no more than stop gap players and even look to be in decline.   I also prefer 1st knowing where things really stand - which young player can become lineup regulars, can goaltending hold up etc.  

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I find it strange that Baertschi can’t be moved. I honestly think he can still be a useful NHL player. If he stays healthy I think he’s a 15-20G scorer. It’s too bad the Canucks kind of screwed him. He had a better training camp than a few Canucks who stayed on the roster. 

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Please don`t trade picks,

especially second round,

I think second round is underrated, we got hoglander in that round, webber was second round,you can find great defense in seconds.

Don`t trade them, let the team be what it is for a year, it is only a shortened season.

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I think Jersey sits in the best position and could make some decent deals still. I don't think we have much to offer. We would have to attach a Gaudette/ Rathbone to Roussel for example. I don't see anyone biting. We will probably waive a few guys to get compliant right before the season starts. We could waive Benn as well and bring in a 1 to 1.5 million dollar player or two league mins.

There are teams who still need to clear cap out. They are the ones who have to make the decision before other teams do first. Arizona blinked and lost out on clearing OEL's salary and cap. I wonder if they re-visit a deal with Boston with OEL's consent of course.

Meanwhile a few teams wait patiently for teams to come to the conclusion that the best offers are out there and they have to pick a deal and move on.

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If JB can clear space, and then get back a player in what would be a steal of a deal, like the Schmidt trade, as long as the two deals together are a good trade, then he should pull the trigger. So if he can get a player or two out of Tampa cheap, so that it's still a good trade with what he pays to clear space, then he should be happy. 

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55 minutes ago, BENN said:

Please don`t trade picks,

especially second round,

I think second round is underrated, we got hoglander in that round, webber was second round,you can find great defense in seconds.

Don`t trade them, let the team be what it is for a year, it is only a shortened season.

Agreed.

It was only like two years ago we were all happy to lose every game of a season in order to get a draft pick.

Now we're all creating ideas on how to most quickly and carelessly throw those picks away.

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3 hours ago, RWMc1 said:

I think Jersey sits in the best position and could make some decent deals still. I don't think we have much to offer. We would have to attach a Gaudette/ Rathbone to Roussel for example. I don't see anyone biting. We will probably waive a few guys to get compliant right before the season starts. We could waive Benn as well and bring in a 1 to 1.5 million dollar player or two league mins.

There are teams who still need to clear cap out. They are the ones who have to make the decision before other teams do first. Arizona blinked and lost out on clearing OEL's salary and cap. I wonder if they re-visit a deal with Boston with OEL's consent of course.

Meanwhile a few teams wait patiently for teams to come to the conclusion that the best offers are out there and they have to pick a deal and move on.

Rousell is not a negative asset @3 mill and adding a 40 point C or a potential Lshot Fox is nuts.

Do people not remember how good he was before he was hurt? Knee injuries often take over a year to fully heal combined with not being able to train in the offseason made last season a write off. The guy is capable of 15-20 goals and 35 points + while killing penalties and being a pain in the ass to play against. I think the reason he hasn't been traded is because he's got actual value to us, especially if Ferland is done.

Him and Benn would be easy to move, Sutter might need retention but when he's healthy he has been excellent for us and would only move him if his cap would go towards a guy like Hoffman, Granlund, or Vats.

I still think we are team X and is waiting to see what's going to happen with Ferland since that would dictate what else needs to be done cap wise.

I wouldn't be surprised if he has several options for dumping cap and Ferland LTIR status plays into who would need to be moved.

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1 hour ago, DarkIndianRises said:

But then why did he acquire Marc Staal?

Staal's a useful asset in that he's a D who can actually play on their back end, he's only got a year left too, the 2nd is the incentive to take the deal 

 

I imagine there aren't too many players keen on signing with Detroit if they've got more competitive options, according to capgeek Stall is one of five D who's deal will expire after this coming season so he's just another good placeholder they can walk away from 

 

It's also possible that Detroit has more internal forwards they want to have a look at next season than D, I'm not familiar with Detroit's prospects but the only D that really jumps out at me is Seider 

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4 minutes ago, Coconuts said:

Staal's a useful asset in that he's a D who can actually play on their back end, he's only got a year left too, the 2nd is the incentive to take the deal 

 

I imagine there aren't too many players keen on signing with Detroit if they've got more competitive options, according to capgeek Stall is one of five D who's deal will expire after this coming season so he's just another good placeholder they can walk away from 

 

It's also possible that Detroit has more internal forwards they want to have a look at next season than D, I'm not familiar with Detroit's prospects but the only D that really jumps out at me is Seider 

Staal is basically a 6th or 7th dman at this pint in his career.  Jordie Benn is probably better than Staal, not to mention cheaper.   Baertschi is youngish and would be a realistic top 6 player on a weak Detroit team.   Like Staal, Baertschi and Benn also have one year remaining on their contracts.

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Benning will make more moves... Luongo cap retention hurts 3 million....Ferland 3.5 might be what we are waiting on? We would have Hamonic money then?

Hamonic 6'2, gritty solid #4 D man would  be so awesome in Blue....This would be a awesome D core..

 

Hughes - Schmidt

Edler - Hamonic

Myers-- Juolevi..... Myers, Edler, Hamonic would rotate on 3rd pairing.... Some games play with 5 D man if behind in last 10 mins of game..

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