[proposal] Virtanen as a sweetener to move Baertschi + sign Hoffman + sign 3rd line winger

[Patel Bure]

[proposal] Virtanen as a sweetener to move Baertschi + sign Hoffman + sign 3rd line winger
 

FTR - I think Virtanen as a sweetener would allow us to get rid of more than just Baertschi, but go with me here:

 

Step 1:  Virtanen + Baertschi to ??? for a draft pick.   We open up about 5.8 million in cap space (off the top of my head), subtract 1.5 million (the amount we are over right now) = 4.3 million.   
 

Step two:  The Toffoli deal for Hoffman.   4.25 for four years.  Hoffman has better numbers than Toffoli but is two years older and also has a sociopathic girlfriend.

 

Step three:  Sign a Josh Leivo type guy to. Year 700-800K contract to play on the 3rd or 4th line (unless of course, management feels that MacEwen, Lind that Jayce kid, or even a concussion-free Ferland could handle that role).    Obviously - we get more cap space if Ferland goes LTIR.  Eriksson in the minors would give us a little more cap space as well (but not much).
 

When Podkolzin graduates to the NHL and is ready for top 6 duty, you could move Hoffman to LW if necessary.
 

Edited November 1, 2020 by DarkIndianRises

[Where's Wellwood]

If Virtanen was enough sweetener, it would have been done way earlier and we would have just re-signed Toffoli.

 

Benning has been trying to drop salary since Vegas beat us. The problem with Virt as sweetener to drop salary is that Virt himself has salary on top of the player we actually want to drop.

 

What team would take on two salaries just to give us back a draft pick? And don't say a team needing to reach the cap floor. No team (not even Ottawa) will struggle to reach the cap floor

[Patel Bure]

48 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said:

If Virtanen was enough sweetener, it would have been done way earlier and we would have just re-signed Toffoli.

 

Benning has been trying to drop salary since Vegas beat us. The problem with Virt as sweetener to drop salary is that Virt himself has salary on top of the player we actually want to drop.

 

What team would take on two salaries just to give us back a draft pick? And don't say a team needing to reach the cap floor. No team (not even Ottawa) will struggle to reach the cap floor

Perhaps Benning was trying to use Virtanen as too high of a sweetener? (Ie moving Eriksson or Ferland).    I find it hard to believe that no one would want to take on Virtanen by taking on someone like Baertschi or Benn, but maybe I’m wrong.  
 

You’re right about the cap floor.

[Angry Goose]

Its a shortened season.  Baertschi and Sutter only have a year left.  Only Loui would have been worth using Virtanen as a sweetner.

 

And the Canucks need a right shot not a lefty.

 

Plus EP plays Hoffmans spot on the PP.

 

 

[goog16]

I don't want that scumbag Hoffman or his psycho wife around our players and their families!!!

Edited November 2, 2020 by goog16

[IBatch]

The amount of misinformation floating around is sad at times.   Hoffman’s girlfriend says she never posted on the site but one time, regarding a troll job on her family.   She hired an IT expert to track the actual troll and none of them came back to her or any of her devices but that one post (which wasn’t directed at EK or his wife, but at Hoffman), and showed that dozens of fake accounts were created.    Went to court and nothing came of this - civil court.  If she’s that smart to hide her IP address and usage to that degree,  then yes like above, she is a sociopath, but it was never proven and now apparently her name and Hoffman’s are mud.   The actual troll posted 1000’s of times  - it was quite the campaign.   Seems pretty unlikely she spent that much time doing that ... and created dozens of accounts without one coming back to her.   They are extremely likely just as much a victim in this as EK and his wife are.  

[JeremyCuddles]

So now our 3rd line only has Pearson that is worth a damn instead of just Jake. But at least our top 6 is slightly better. If we are sacrificing any assets for cap I'd rather sacrifice prospects or picks. 24 year old, 10-15 goal scorer that hits and generally causes havoc when he's on is pretty valuable despite people's opinions of what shirt he wears and how it negatively effects the team.

[The Lock]

I think we should just wait out some contracts at this point. We might not even have a season this year for all we know. No sense in practically giving away an asset like Virtanen for what may be nothing.

 

Not only that, but it's easy to forget that most teams won't have the cap space to do it and teams like Detroit have already said they'll take players straight up only if the other team retains some of the cap and other teams like Columbus are purposely not taken on more cap, so that kind of leaves me asking "what team would do this at this point?"

[IBatch]

On 11/10/2020 at 11:18 AM, The Lock said:

I think we should just wait out some contracts at this point. We might not even have a season this year for all we know. No sense in practically giving away an asset like Virtanen for what may be nothing.

 

Not only that, but it's easy to forget that most teams won't have the cap space to do it and teams like Detroit have already said they'll take players straight up only if the other team retains some of the cap and other teams like Columbus are purposely not taken on more cap, so that kind of leaves me asking "what team would do this at this point?"

I’ve been in the let all the cap shed naturally camp for a long time now.   JB can’t find takers - and when it comes to LE neither can his agent (trying to find a team that would take him on), there is little to no interest.   If Tyler Johnson can clear waivers - meaning there are better players that under normal circumstances might be very small cap dumps, LE isn’t going anywhere.   
 

As for Bear - well at least he’s a nice call-up...one of Miller, Pearson, Motte or AG go down he’s available.   Most teams have some money buried in the AHL, and next year a lot of teams will just to save cap.   LE might be joining them if Lind can win a spot - he’s almost certainly spending his final year there once Podz and maybe Hogs too arrive. 
 

Sutter has value in helping AG learn the defensive side of the game - plus of course face-offs, and for sure we want him come playoff time...strength down the middle was one of the best things we had going for us.   
 

Maybe JB timed it wrong by one year.   Not the end of the world that’s for sure ... the team we have now won’t look anything like the team we will compete with in two years.  Something I said before the playoffs were done... also said our D needs an overhaul, it’s started but not done yet.   
 

The future is bright.   Experts have taken notice virtually all of them call us a team on the rise.  Some are even high on us right now - Ryan Kennedy of THN, on page 15 of their hockey pool guide picked us to play TB in this years final AND beat them (now that was a bold prediction ha ha).   Both him and Costello picked us to be the next team who hasn’t won a cup yet to do that - over Vegas who was the only other team picked in that question.    Last year Larkin was their only writer to have Vancouver doing as well as we did ... it’s spreading.  
 

Also want to say this - yes we have “wasted cap”... but most of that waste still has value, and for the roster players someone else has to come in and outperform their guy with less money.   Bear, Sutter and LE are low hanging fruit in that department, but of those guys I’d be fine with Sutter re-signing at around 2-2.5 on a 3 year deal to eventually replace Beagle.    That would be fair value.    Unless AG takes very big steps on the other side of the puck this year and in the dot.