Ray_Cathode Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I have been much too worried about our cap space. Demote a player, buy out a player and we are there without dipping into our LTIR. Do what we have to do to get in compliance. We have young players that we need to see if they can play. In addition, other teams will have injuries and depending on their expectations, some will need to pick up veteran, reliable players to fill spaces and that they can fit into their LTIR. That will create opportunities to move older veteran forwards: Sutter, Beagle, Roussel, Benn, and maybe even Pearson. Other teams that are up against the cap will have room because of LTIR - an opportunity for us to move out biggish contracts, get something in return, and transition in younger players that are pushing being ready for the big time. Hopefully, we will have a taxi squad that we can use to polish up our prospects into NHL players. Our young core should continue to improve, and we can find if a younger defender or two can find a spot - Youlevi, Rafferty, Rathbone, Chatfield and even Brisebois come to mind. At forward I expect to see MacEwen, Bailey, Michaelis, Jasek, and Lind compete early. Late in the year, maybe Tryamkin, Podkolzin, and Hoglander may be available. If we have that transition, are we still competing for a playoff spot? I think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 minutes ago, Ray_Cathode said: In addition, other teams will have injuries and... During the offseason? We have to get cap compliant before the season starts. Demoting doesn't help much as you can only bury so much in the minors. So JB will have to make a deal of some kind, but what if no other team likes what we are offering? Or drives up the price for taking a contract off our hands? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 31 minutes ago, goalie13 said: During the offseason? We have to get cap compliant before the season starts. Demoting doesn't help much as you can only bury so much in the minors. So JB will have to make a deal of some kind, but what if no other team likes what we are offering? Or drives up the price for taking a contract off our hands? We only have to send two players to the minors to get compliant. A deal doesn't have to be made 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalie13 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 43 minutes ago, Where's Wellwood said: We only have to send two players to the minors to get compliant. A deal doesn't have to be made I stand corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lancaster Posted November 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 18, 2020 Getting reamed could cause injuries.... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.I.A.H.N Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 2 hours ago, goalie13 said: I stand corrected. You are a goalie! You are excused. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Canuck #12 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 6 hours ago, Lancaster said: Getting reamed could cause injuries.... This would be asking too much of our players just to help with the cap situation!! Unless, on second thought, you were thinking about Eriksson..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithers joe Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) we just need to get by this season. 21 mil comes off the books next year and 19 mil the following year. as it has been said, sending 2 players down ( louie and baert ) will make us compliant. there will be injuries and maybe a long time injury, so young guys can get some playing time. Edited November 18, 2020 by smithers joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildcam Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 (edited) We will have several contracts up next summer, around 24,564 million to spend according to CapFriendly site... Pettersson - 2 X 7.5 million -- Hughes - 2 X 6.5 million - Demko - 2 X 2 million ...Depending on how 2021 season turns out? Salary could be higher.. Edler -- 2 X 3.3 million - Home town discount - He will only play in Vancouver???? Gaudette - 2 X 1.5 --2.2 - Depending on how season goes, too early?? Pearson -- 2 X 2.5 million -- He likes playing with Bo and his career has turned around?? Will not resign Sutter, Benn, Baertchi..... Edited November 20, 2020 by wildcam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 18, 2020 Author Share Posted November 18, 2020 20 hours ago, goalie13 said: During the offseason? We have to get cap compliant before the season starts. Demoting doesn't help much as you can only bury so much in the minors. So JB will have to make a deal of some kind, but what if no other team likes what we are offering? Or drives up the price for taking a contract off our hands? From what I wrote above: "Demote a player, buy out a player and we are there without dipping into our LTIR." Buy out Baertschi, demote Erickson" = cap compliant, yeah, during the off-season - no deals with others required. We already have zero choice, if we cannot find a trade, we have to reduce cap by 1.6 million. We have fifteen forwards and only six D according to cap friendly, and that includes Rathbone. Buying out Baertschi and demoting Eriksson gets us compliant, but we still have to add a D, say Rafferty. Buying out Baertschi has the following effect "Buying out Baertschi would lower his cap hit to $1.767 million in 2020-21 but add $800,000 on the Canucks’ cap in 2021-22." (Daily Hive) That gets us compliant with a couple hundred thousand to spare. The Canucks will get back about 1.1 milllion by demoting Eriksson. That would allow them to bring in Juolevi or Rafferty - or if Rathbone does not make the team - Juolevi and Rafferty. But that would leave them at only 22 players on the roster and only about 300k in cap space. If Ferland is still on LTIR, they can bring a couple of inexpensive players up from the farm that they want to look at anyway - say two of Hoglander, Bailey or Lind. But they are going to have to do something if they have needs beyond that. Which is move older, high cost players nearer the deadline - when there may be willing takers in other teams that have injuries and LTIR to cover a vet with a relatively high cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RomanP Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 14 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: From what I wrote above: "Demote a player, buy out a player and we are there without dipping into our LTIR." Buy out Baertschi, demote Erickson" = cap compliant, yeah, during the off-season - no deals with others required. We already have zero choice, if we cannot find a trade, we have to reduce cap by 1.6 million. We have fifteen forwards and only six D according to cap friendly, and that includes Rathbone. Buying out Baertschi and demoting Eriksson gets us compliant, but we still have to add a D, say Rafferty. Buying out Baertschi has the following effect "Buying out Baertschi would lower his cap hit to $1.767 million in 2020-21 but add $800,000 on the Canucks’ cap in 2021-22." (Daily Hive) That gets us compliant with a couple hundred thousand to spare. The Canucks will get back about 1.1 milllion by demoting Eriksson. That would allow them to bring in Juolevi or Rafferty - or if Rathbone does not make the team - Juolevi and Rafferty. But that would leave them at only 22 players on the roster and only about 300k in cap space. If Ferland is still on LTIR, they can bring a couple of inexpensive players up from the farm that they want to look at anyway - say two of Hoglander, Bailey or Lind. But they are going to have to do something if they have needs beyond that. Which is move older, high cost players nearer the deadline - when there may be willing takers in other teams that have injuries and LTIR to cover a vet with a relatively high cap. Buyout period is over, just saying... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 5 hours ago, RomanP said: Buyout period is over, just saying... Then we demote them both - i mil apiece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfollower1983 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 8 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: Then we demote them both - i mil apiece. how much is i mil in real dollars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ballisticsports. Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 If the Canucks do not want their own overpaid, under performing vets, what makes people think other teams will at the trade deadline? If they have supposed value at the trade deadline to help a team for the playoffs, don't you think the Canucks would just keep them, especially knowing they come off the books after the playoffs? The only way they can unload these guys is throwing in valuable assets or draft picks, which would expose poor management, I don't expect those to happen (and was glad to hear Benning state that as not an option) Some poor decisions were made that we have to ride out and not repeat again. Rarely do you get value in ufa's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/19/2020 at 4:09 PM, Nucksfollower1983 said: how much is i mil in real dollars? $1,000,000US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 22, 2020 Author Share Posted November 22, 2020 On 11/20/2020 at 11:11 AM, ba;;isticsports said: If the Canucks do not want their own overpaid, under performing vets, what makes people think other teams will at the trade deadline? If they have supposed value at the trade deadline to help a team for the playoffs, don't you think the Canucks would just keep them, especially knowing they come off the books after the playoffs? The only way they can unload these guys is throwing in valuable assets or draft picks, which would expose poor management, I don't expect those to happen (and was glad to hear Benning state that as not an option) Some poor decisions were made that we have to ride out and not repeat again. Rarely do you get value in ufa's Who said anyone would? Waiver them to the AHL. No, throwing in valuable assets is not necessary, just demote them. We cannot afford to ‘just ride them out’ we are over the cap and have to become compliant, and we require another D - we need a minimum of 7 and we only have 6 at the moment. We have 15 forwards, which means we have at least one too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 On 11/22/2020 at 2:11 AM, Ray_Cathode said: Who said anyone would? Waiver them to the AHL. No, throwing in valuable assets is not necessary, just demote them. We cannot afford to ‘just ride them out’ we are over the cap and have to become compliant, and we require another D - we need a minimum of 7 and we only have 6 at the moment. We have 15 forwards, which means we have at least one too many. We will be fine. Rafferty, OJ, Brisbois etc are all under contract too. If Ferland can’t play all this is mute, if he can it’s still not a big deal. Bear to the minors plus one other...won’t be the first team to run with a shorter roster, or the last or the only one this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 23 hours ago, IBatch said: We will be fine. Rafferty, OJ, Brisbois etc are all under contract too. If Ferland can’t play all this is mute, if he can it’s still not a big deal. Bear to the minors plus one other...won’t be the first team to run with a shorter roster, or the last or the only one this season. Rafferty, O.J. Brisbois are under contract but they are not included in our cap, if we want to put them on the ice we have to become compliant and make room under the cap for them to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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